Pyke interview 12th Feb

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When ROB first came to the Crows I mention his biggest weakness was his ground ball and follow up, in the years that I have watched him he has made those weaknesses his strengths in the SANFL,
At this time he is quicker and has a higher leap than Jacobs, add to his ground ball work and the only issue we need to see is how well he reads the play, if he has that game, I would say he is very close to Jacobs 2017 form.

You need to watch this Kid, when he was fit he was the Best SANFL ruck going around by a long shot if he did not do his Shoulder last year he would have played AFL.
Here is something to ponder, When you look closely there a lot of Clarke in Jacobs tap work I see the same in ROB.
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Like I said he may or may not be as we know some ruckman take a long time to develop like Goldstein and Mumford even Ryder he wasn't really a ruck at the bombers. You never say never or he could be a plodder like Hudson and biglands were and serviceable at best.

I actually think Sauce will struggle to recapture his mojo and ROB will play if he cant bring it though, it could mean a long year for the crows
 
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Before his injury I doubt whether there was a better ruckman than ROB in the SANFL.
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Like I said I havent seen him ruck that much. But haven't heard people raving about him, or any clubs come knocking on our door. Brooksby was the team of the year ruckman (now at WCE), so I just had a look at Brooksby vs ROB in round 3, the only time it looks like they went head to head.

Brooksby - 27 touches, 6 marks, 29 hitouts
ROB - 15 touches, 2 marks, 33 hitouts

Good news is that he at least went head to head with him in hitouts and Brooksby could well be AFL standard.
 
Shaz2012 said:
Like I said I havent seen him ruck that much. But haven't heard people raving about him, or any clubs come knocking on our door. Brooksby was the team of the year ruckman (now at WCE), so I just had a look at Brooksby vs ROB in round 3, the only time it looks like they went head to head.

Brooksby - 27 touches, 6 marks, 29 hitouts
ROB - 15 touches, 2 marks, 33 hitouts

Good news is that he at least went head to head with him in hitouts and Brooksby could well be AFL standard.
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Don't forget Hunter, who rucks for 40% of the time. Brooksby Rucks for 90%
Also Centre Hits Outs, ROB 9, Brooksby 3. Hunter 2.
But that game against South ROB was the better ruckman, Brooksby beat Hunter but struggled against ROB.
Also, ROB spent a large chunk of 2018 injured. And ROB was contracted,
 

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marty36 said:
Like I said he may or may not be as we know some ruckman take a long time to develop like Goldstein and Mumford even Ryder he wasn't really a ruck at the bombers. You never say never or he could be a plodder like Hudson and biglands were and serviceable at best.

I actually think Sauce will struggle to recapture his mojo and ROB will play if he cant bring it though, it could mean a long year for the crows
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Crows this year have 4 specialist Ruckmen in Jacobs, ROB, Hunter and Strachan along with support/alternate position ruckmen in JJ, Ottens. and Himmelberg.
Believe it the strongest ruck setup we have had for years. The problem will be getting them ruck time in the SANFL.
Not that worried about it this year. we are going into the year.
 
marty36 said:
Like I said he may or may not be as we know some ruckman take a long time to develop like Goldstein and Mumford even Ryder he wasn't really a ruck at the bombers. You never say never or he could be a plodder like Hudson and biglands were and serviceable at best.

I actually think Sauce will struggle to recapture his mojo and ROB will play if he cant bring it though, it could mean a long year for the crows
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Hudson a plodder and serviceable at best? Fair dinkum you truly have no idea.
 
Shaz2012 said:
Like I said I havent seen him ruck that much. But haven't heard people raving about him, or any clubs come knocking on our door. Brooksby was the team of the year ruckman (now at WCE), so I just had a look at Brooksby vs ROB in round 3, the only time it looks like they went head to head.

Brooksby - 27 touches, 6 marks, 29 hitouts
ROB - 15 touches, 2 marks, 33 hitouts

Good news is that he at least went head to head with him in hitouts and Brooksby could well be AFL standard.
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The fact we gave him a 2 year contract and upgraded Reilly from the rookie list in 2017 would strongly suggest to me the club was aware of some interest from other parties.
Shaz2012
Check out Inside Football's ratings prior to his injury riddled 2018 season.
http://www.aflplayerratings.com.au/Ratings/Player/119683/Reilly-O-BRIEN
 
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Crows this year have 4 specialist Ruckmen in Jacobs, ROB, Hunter and Strachan along with support/alternate position ruckmen in JJ, Ottens. and Himmelberg.
Believe it the strongest ruck setup we have had for years. The problem will be getting them ruck time in the SANFL.
Not that worried about it this year. we are going into the year.
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Happy to hear that. I am not actually saying that ROB wont be a good ruckman. All I have really heard about him recently is that he is a super athlete. I want to know if he is a good ruckman at AFL level. Whatever he is, we need to see him in the AFL this year for at least a handful of games. We need to see him in action at the top level. Especially since Sauce wont be around for much longer. We need to make an important decision at the end of the year. Whether or not we go out and get a new number 1, or if ROB/Hunter/Strachan are enough.

I go into this season very worried about the ruck position. I hope that you're right about ROB because I am not confident that Sauce isn't cooked.
 
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Were are you hearing that, from what I have seen and heard, ROB is giving Jabobs some serious competition,
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If Jacobs is having another poor year & ROB is dominating the sanfl, I doubt the selectors will ignore ROB. Imo he would have played some games last season if not for injury.
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
If Jacobs is having another poor year & ROB is dominating the sanfl, I doubt the selectors will ignore ROB. Imo he would have played some games last season if not for injury.
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I don't think ROB will be ignored even if Sauce is rejuvenated and playing OK with ROB out of contract end of 2019. Injury free the only proviso otherwise my gut feel ROB will be "blooded" at some point in 2019.
 
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Believe it the strongest ruck setup we have had for years..
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While I appreciate your glass half full attitude and normally I'm the same when it comes to the Crows, but our ruck stocks are some of the weakest we have had.

Sauce has been great for many years however we simply won't know until the season starts whether he is done or whether 2018 was a one off.

ROB has potential but has played two AFL games. Hunter and Strachan are a very very long way off any meaningful AFL contribution.

It's not like these guys have shown glimpses like a young Maric, Griffin. We simply don't know.
 
Bicks said:
I don't think ROB will be ignored even if Sauce is rejuvenated and playing OK with ROB out of contract end of 2019. Injury free the only proviso otherwise my gut feel ROB will be "blooded" at some point in 2019.
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I hope so.

Whilst I dont see ROB as a great Ruckman, not sure his ceiling is as good as peak Sauce, he is still decent and you can build a midfield around him.

This is the year to get him into semi regular AFL footy.





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Bicks said:
Hudson a plodder and serviceable at best? Fair dinkum you truly have no idea.
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Absolutely Adelaide have had probably 3 outstanding ruckmen over their whole journey, Rehn being the best with Mickan and Sauce, the others you could rate as serviceable to good with Pitman, Clarke,Hudson, Biglands but having a quality ruckmen is something of a luxury and they are very hard to find
 
marty36 said:
Absolutely Adelaide have had probably 3 outstanding ruckmen over their whole journey, Rehn being the best with Mickan and Sauce, the others you could rate as serviceable to good with Pitman, Clarke,Hudson, Biglands but having a quality ruckmen is something of a luxury and they are very hard to find
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Don't forget that Clarke was one of the best tap ruckmen in the Competition, his groundwork was not the best but pure ruck he was very good.
Crows have a good record of finding quality tap ruckmen, Our problem over the years was find good mids to take advantage of the ruck taps,
This year I am not worried about our ruck winning the taps, it the Mids which can change a person perception how good a ruckman is.
And with the inclusion of Brad to go with Matt, Sloane and Gibbs along with the growth from Milera, Greenwood, Gallucci. add Poholke and CEY (base on training track performance this year)
Ever noticed that an elite ruckman always has a couple of little mates that get the ball and make them look good, of course, they have to direct the ball to them but take away those guys and they are just average ruck who work well of the ball.

This year with the 666 rule, A very good tap ruck in the centre with a couple of top hard and clean inside mids will be game changers.
what the bet we see bigger 20m taps more secondary ruck taps.
 
ad victoriam said:
Don't forget that Clarke was one of the best tap ruckmen in the Competition, his groundwork was not the best but pure ruck he was very good.
Crows have a good record of finding quality tap ruckmen, Our problem over the years was find good mids to take advantage of the ruck taps,
This year I am not worried about our ruck winning the taps, it the Mids which can change a person perception how good a ruckman is.
And with the inclusion of Brad to go with Matt, Sloane and Gibbs along with the growth from Milera, Greenwood, Gallucci. add Poholke and CEY (base on training track performance this year)
Ever noticed that an elite ruckman always has a couple of little mates that get the ball and make them look good, of course, they have to direct the ball to them but take away those guys and they are just average ruck who work well of the ball.

This year with the 666 rule, A very good tap ruck in the centre with a couple of top hard and clean inside mids will be game changers.
what the bet we see bigger 20m taps more secondary ruck taps.
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looking at last year GF teams Nic Nat played the majority of the year and is arguably one of the best, Grundy up there, interesting how Sandilands has drooped off so has freo but you could also include Pav in that. Outstanding ruckmen can do a lot for your team. However richmond rely on two absolute superstars in Dusty and Cotchin unfortunately we don't have those two our mids are a little lesser quality and they had a serviceable ruckmen. Melbourne have a quality big man, Geelong relied on out and out guns in the mid and no real ruckmen, Hawks had a quality mid and serviceable ruckmen, Sydney are the interesting one a fairly well balanced mid and ruck.
 
mattymac said:
You can kind of understand it though after they way they shat themselves something had to be tried to harden them up.

I don't buy at all that the attitude to the pre-season was the problem last year. A few grumblers, mainly Eddie and Hampton, but most seemed very happy with it at the time. Only later some like Douglas who had formerly praised it switched to using it as a bit of a scapegoat.

The real reason was the decimation of the list.

Even the article says we had only 4 players play all games whereas in 2017 we had the lowest turnover of any side.

Mass injuries cause defeats and defeats cause low morale. Getting Saunders in to manage our hamstrings seems so far to be paying off and will likely be the biggest change from 2018.
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Fast games a clean game like in 2017. Apart from the Gf.
Last yr was bogged a bit . Very little winch from coaching and admin. In fact they were stuck fast even more.
 
marty36 said:
who do you think can replace those three, or are they going to wind back the clock
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Tex for one is not old enough to need to wind back the clock.

The other two are an ageing concern, but were injured last year and are apparently very fit.

How about we see if they are total trash in the real stuff before we conclude it has to happen?
 
Red mist said:
Fast games a clean game like in 2017. Apart from the Gf.
Last yr was bogged a bit . Very little winch from coaching and admin. In fact they were stuck fast even more.
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The other reason I don't buy the pre-season blame thing (aside from malconditioning) is that the body language and intent of the group was very good early in the season directly after the pre-season, like when we smashed Richmond. Only later when injuries and defeats piled up the morale sank. By that game in Alice Springs the body language and effort were atrocious i.e. it got worse the further away from pre-season. It was clearly mostly around the injury crisis.
 
mattymac said:
The other reason I don't buy the pre-season blame thing (aside from malconditioning) is that the body language and intent of the group was very good early in the season directly after the pre-season, like when we smashed Richmond. Only later when injuries and defeats piled up the morale sank. By that game in Alice Springs the body language and effort were atrocious i.e. it got worse the further away from pre-season. It was clearly mostly around the injury crisis.
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Our season died with that showdown loss. Didn't help that we sustained 4-5 injuries in that game including Jacobs.
 
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