Politics QAnon and Sovereign Citizens

[Chief]

If you or someone you care about is under the influence of Qanon, please visit:

https://freedomofmind.com/what-to-do-about-the-qanon-and-those-ensnared-in-it-interview-with-travis-view/

 

[Taylor]

They're the political equivalent of a child having a tantrum because they've been told to tidy their room.

I agree. Better than an unwitting political pawn.

 

[Caesar]

The issue isn't listening to experts. It's being a person who repeats what they have heard without troubling their brain.

Buying into fringe nuttery does not make you more of a critical thinker than someone who accepts prevailing orthodoxy.

To the contrary, squaring this sort of rubbish involves turning off one's brain more than usual.

 

[Colonial]

I agree. Better than an unwitting political pawn.

So because we listen to actual experts on the field we are pawns.

And that’s worse than these nutters who get their info from a cult? The same people who have zero idea of law and are acting like selfish brats?

Interesting take.

 

[Turnover]

Very surprising Taylor has an open mind about this. BF click bait. Guess I took it.

 

[Taylor]

So because we listen to actual experts on the field we are pawns.

And that’s worse than these nutters who get their info from a cult? The same people who have zero idea of law and are acting like selfish brats?

Interesting take.

No, you should listen to the experts. If you are told two conflicting things you should be asking why.

I'm hoping for people to be a bit more cynical and a whole lot less eager to repeat what they are told is fact as though it affords them some extra significance.

 

[Colonial]

No, you should listen to the experts. If you are told two conflicting things you should be asking why.

I'm hoping for people to be a bit more cynical and a whole lot less eager to repeat what they are told is fact as though it affords them some extra significance.

And I do ask why. It’s an easy answer though.
On 1 side we have experts in their field and on the other individuals with zero experience or knowledge in the field who found a cult website.

 

[Taylor]

Buying into fringe nuttery does not make you more of a critical thinker than someone who accepts prevailing orthodoxy.

To the contrary, squaring this sort of rubbish involves turning off one's brain more than usual.

Perhaps your right. Suggesting that the reason we were told masks could actually make it worse was that we didn't have enough to support our medical staff if the population started using them would have been fringe conspiracy nuttery. It would also have been correct.

Are there any conspiracies that aren't about a large power body against the people?

It's very useful for suggestions that would be counter to the powerful message to be considered fringe nutty positions. That would make it easier to discount them.

 

[Gough]

One thing true of all cults is the belief that they operate and have an understanding of the world that that is at an elevated level to the rest of us rabble. QAnon is no exception.

 

[Taylor]

And I do ask why. It’s an easy answer though.
On 1 side we have experts in their field and on the other individuals with zero experience or knowledge in the field who found a cult website.

The choice isn't between one or the other. It's made about everything in your life. Little choices, small moments.

The best thing to come of all this mask business is that some more people will have woken up to the reality that the government doesn't trust you and won't tell you the whole story - so be mindful when they are trying to sell you something.

 

[Taylor]

One thing true of all cults is the belief that they operate and have an understanding of the world that that is at an elevated level to the rest of us rabble. QAnon is no exception.

That's true, there isn't much more validating to a human brain than feeling part of an exclusive club. This is why I'm surprised there aren't more women cult leaders, we learn this stuff years and years before the boys do.

 

[Caesar]

Perhaps your right. Suggesting that the reason we were told masks could actually make it worse was that we didn't have enough to support our medical staff if the population started using them would have been fringe conspiracy nuttery. It would also have been correct.

Are there any conspiracies that aren't about a large power body against the people?

It's very useful for suggestions that would be counter to the powerful message to be considered fringe nutty positions. That would make it easier to discount them.

The use of masks has been an openly debated issue amongst medical experts since the beginning of the crisis.

Comparing it to people who buy into easily-falsifiable garbage like sovereign citizenship is risible.

 

[Colonial]

The choice isn't between one or the other. It's made about everything in your life. Little choices, small moments.

The best thing to come of all this mask business is that some more people will have woken up to the reality that the government doesn't trust you and won't tell you the whole story - so be mindful when they are trying to sell you something.

You asked I answered

 

[Baltimore Jack]

The Bunnings Karen is such a hypocrite

She says she will not comply because she doesn't believe in the law but then wants to use the exact same legal system to sue everyone

 

[Mofra]

I agree. Better than an unwitting political pawn.

Listening to medical experts is not a political exercise.

 

[Taylor]

Listening to medical experts is not a political exercise.

The medical experts want everyone in a mask, the politicians couldn't facilitate that so they distort the message.

Keep that sort of game in mind when they talk about everything else and the world will be a better place.

 

[Chief]

On a scale of these looneys to those who carry a banner now saying "wear a mask" but it used to say "masks don't work" because that's what they were told, I think we would have a better world leaning closer to the loonies.

But the loonies layer their contrarian views with anything from mundane conspiracies, to nebulous claims of active forces seeking control, to the whole pandemic being a failed attempt to seed the populace with alien DNA.

You can’t present a rational idea with totally irrational claims and expect people to listen. What should we listen to the loonies about? The aliens? Soros?

 

[Taylor]

But the loonies layer their contrarian views with anything from mundane conspiracies, to nebulous claims of active forces seeking control, to the whole pandemic being a failed attempt to seed the populace with alien DNA.

You can’t present a rational idea with totally irrational claims and expect people to listen. What should we listen to the loonies about? The aliens? Soros?

Like the person living a happy life in a one bedroom place while the world around them struggles to pile enough gold to make a dragon content - they show another way of being that could improve the rest of existence.

Don't get too hung up on their specifics, that they think the world might not be as it has been told to us is a worthwhile mental exercise to follow.

Take a deep breath, it's about to take a dive.

The issue is that human beings are pattern and control monsters, we concurrently hold the positions that we are powerless and seek knowledge to better understand the world around us - further reinforcing that we are powerless. This means that there are people who base their comfort and security, as fictitious as that may be in reality, on the assumption that their particular take on the world is accurate. That all they have been told and based their decisions on has been right. That they have walked that path reflects on how right they are. They have control.

These people will not be able to rationalise the discovery that the message they have bought has been less than the truth. (manipulation) Do you think you have such control over yourself that you could accept that the foundation you based decisions on was false without it being a reflection on you? It would require a social forgiveness that you could argue doesn't exist when lines are drawn in the sand. (/manipulation)

Projections are easier than introspection.

When I figure out how to monetise this we are all going to be very, very rich.

 

[Mofra]

The medical experts want everyone in a mask, the politicians couldn't facilitate that so they distort the message.

I'm listening to the medical experts, not the politicians.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

QAnon, also known as The Storm and The Great Awakening, is a conspiracy theory, popular meme,[6] and right wing fantasy about a "deep state" conspiracy against President Trump. Following on the heels of similar bullshit, such as Pizzagate (which occupies a small spot on the QAnon map below), it advances a fantastic web of deceit that wraps up Trumpism, deep state fearmongering, evil, satanic pedophilia rings controlled by the Democratic Party, investigations into Russian meddling in the 2016 US election, the Las Vegas shooting, and New World Order paranoia into a package easily and wholeheartedly promoted by internet cesspools and Alex Jones.[7][4] It originated from a series of incoherent posts on 4chan in 2017 by someone calling themselves Q.[8] The name is likely based on the US government's top secret Q clearance.

The theories put forth in the conspiracy mirror anti-semitic tropes that have been used for centuries.

QAnon

QAnon, also known as The Storm and The Great Awakening, is a conspiracy theory, popular meme,[6] howling vortex of madness, right-wing fantasy about a "deep state" conspiracy against former United States President Donald Trump, and acts as the "grand unified conspiracy theory." It also "fails...

rationalwiki.org

 

[Taylor]

I'm listening to the medical experts, not the politicians.

If the department of comedy installed a chief comedy officer, is that person acting as a comedian or as part of the political arm that they function within?

 

[Chief]

One thing true of all cults is the belief that they operate and have an understanding of the world that that is at an elevated level to the rest of us rabble. QAnon is no exception.

It makes them feel special. Like insiders. Like it gives them value.

 

[EasternTiger]

Infuriating! They is tryin to tell us their lives matter more than ours, and they think they can act with impunity. I'm glad you lot haven't fallen for it.

If we don't stop them now, they'll be protesting and rioting in Bunnings stores all across this great land.

This is surely being orchestrated by the News Ltd Murdoch Patriarchy....damn their oily hides!

 

[Nikita Blue]

The Bunnings Karen is such a hypocrite

She says she will not comply because she doesn't believe in the law but then wants to use the exact same legal system to sue everyone

Only the High Court. These sovereign citizen nutters don't recognise the authority of lower courts.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Only the High Court. These sovereign citizen nutters don't recognise the authority of lower courts.

im surprised they are not wanting to be heard by the Privy Council

 

[Sinjin Smith]

So you can keep driving, or the cops let you keep driving after refusing a breath and drug test???? How does that work if he is then involved in an accident and found to be over limit??