QANTASS.

[kranky al]

If the WA economy wasn't almost entirely built off the back of mining, their isolationist approach would have floundered.

There's much more interaction between VIC - NSW - QLD than between the rest of the country and WA.

Claiming "our economy did so well because we managed COVID well" is incredibly misleading.

WA didn't 'manage' COVID at all, they simply shut the gates, leaving the rest of the country to deal with it.
WA didn't do anything to manage their economy, they let the miners in, then let those rocks do what those rocks always do.

How about, instead of carrying on like a know it all who clearly knows very little, you stop being a douchebag?

Brazil also has an economy extremely dependent on mining.

Might wanna look up what happened there.

Heres a hint: funk all because covid.

And as i keep mentioning and you lot keep ignoring - the east coast states did shut their borders to each other on multiple occasions.

If mcgowan was pm instead of scummo im confident we would have had a proper federal quarantine facility built in 2020 and funk all escapes from quarantine.

You say wa did very little blah blah which is patent bullshit. We locked down the moment we had a quarantine breach - when it was still manageable - vic and nsw every time waited too long - we locked down when there was a handful of possible cases.

Those two states waited till there was hundreds and it was too late to contain the spread.

Proofs in the pudding. 12 days of lockdown as a result.


Oh and last but not least - inferring that without mining wed have floundered. How fact averse do you have to be to spout this shit?

All of the regions worldwide that did best economically during covid were the ones closest to covid zero.



Our tourism industry, didnt flounder because we had no covid and people could still travel within the state and did. So many other industries killed the pig in 2020/21 because we werent locked down.

 

[Fire]

We flew Qantas last month. Australia had(s?) A policy of negative test within a 24 hour period. I called them to ask if this was for the flight to Australia, which left from LA, or from the first flight in the trip, which was NY. This was an important distinction as if it was the latter, then we'd have to get it done the morning of the flight as it was leaving LA at about 3am NY time the same day, and would be outside their flexi plan which said it had to be done the day before. Which to me meant I could lose 8k in flights if either of us got a positive result.

Had to call them three times, the first two times was a message asking me to hang up because they were only talking to people flying that day. The third I got an answer after two and a half hours. I was told two things; the 24 hours started from the first flight, NY, and we could do the flexi plan thing same day if we were positive.

We ended up dealing with a crisis the night before and had to get our tests done he morning of the flight anyway, which was more stressful than intended. But we were told we could reschedule if we were positive so not too stressful.

Thank God we did that. Got to LA and they didnt let the person in front of us on the plane because their test was 26 hours ago despite having a connecting flight.

They might have also been lying about the flexi time for all I know.

Also its 2022 and they dont have on board wifi.

I used to insist on flying with them but honestly I dont think there's much in it anymore. I could get a similar experiance from the cheaper options who also have wifi.

On SM-G955U1 using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Hojuman]

My missus told me about a friends son got to the airport, -neg PCR test in his hand and was told " no, that's the wrong PCR test. You have to do this 45 minute $80 PCR test, thank-you "

 

[Ned_Flanders]

My missus told me about a friends son got to the airport, -neg PCR test in his hand and was told " no, that's the wrong PCR test. You have to do this 45 minute $80 PCR test, thank-you "

you have to go to specific labs, get the right test for the destination, and get the test certificate from them

if you dont have all three, you're ****ed

 

[faible]

Brazil also has an economy extremely dependent on mining.

Might wanna look up what happened there.

Heres a hint: funk all because covid.

And as i keep mentioning and you lot keep ignoring - the east coast states did shut their borders to each other on multiple occasions.

If mcgowan was pm instead of scummo im confident we would have had a proper federal quarantine facility built in 2020 and funk all escapes from quarantine.

You say wa did very little blah blah which is patent bullshit. We locked down the moment we had a quarantine breach - when it was still manageable - vic and nsw every time waited too long - we locked down when there was a handful of possible cases.

Those two states waited till there was hundreds and it was too late to contain the spread.

Proofs in the pudding. 12 days of lockdown as a result.


Oh and last but not least - inferring that without mining wed have floundered. How fact averse do you have to be to spout this shit?

All of the regions worldwide that did best economically during covid were the ones closest to covid zero.



Our tourism industry, didnt flounder because we had no covid and people could still travel within the state and did. So many other industries killed the pig in 2020/21 because we werent locked down.

blah blah WA is the best blah blah

You're talking as though you're an expert on things, despite living in a bubble.

WA had numerous quarantine breaches and incidents where spread could have occurred. That it didn't wasn't good management, it was luck.

Meanwhile, in Victoria we basically had the opposite, every minor breach that could have spread, did.

But of course you'll bury your head in the sand and pretend WA and the West Australian people did something special and unique.

The most isolated city on the planet, that didn't have to deal with any incoming travellers at all, that relies upon mining to prop up the economy, that had a stuffed hospital system without COVID cases, that had numerous incidents of quarantine failures.

Where was McGowan's quarantine facility he built? Where's the hospital resources?

Oh right, they didn't exist, because he just shut the state off from the entire world and let the rest of the country deal with it while those rocks were dug up.

Yeah, probably don't try to lecture others when you're clearly uninformed.

 

[DickieKnee]

72 hours is a long time to spend at an airport pre fight.

 

[Hojuman]

72 hours is a long time to spend at an airport pre fight.

" l don't hold a plane Dickie " ( but say it with an Irish accent )

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Qantas is the fawtly towers of airlines.

 

[kranky al]

blah blah WA is the best blah blah

You're talking as though you're an expert on things, despite living in a bubble.

WA had numerous quarantine breaches and incidents where spread could have occurred. That it didn't wasn't good management, it was luck.

Meanwhile, in Victoria we basically had the opposite, every minor breach that could have spread, did.

But of course you'll bury your head in the sand and pretend WA and the West Australian people did something special and unique.

The most isolated city on the planet, that didn't have to deal with any incoming travellers at all, that relies upon mining to prop up the economy, that had a stuffed hospital system without COVID cases, that had numerous incidents of quarantine failures.

Where was McGowan's quarantine facility he built? Where's the hospital resources?

Oh right, they didn't exist, because he just shut the state off from the entire world and let the rest of the country deal with it while those rocks were dug up.

Yeah, probably don't try to lecture others when you're clearly uninformed.

1) For starts wa and qld are building quarantine facilities - they shouldnt have had to as its a federal responsibility but scomo….

2) yes we did have incoming passengers you drip - we took a higher percentage of returning travellers than our percentage of the population.

Heres the thing - every single quarantine breach in every state started with one person.

Heres a non exhaustive list of what wa did differently to other states

Hotel quarantine breach:


What wa did - immediate 3 day lockdown. Contact trace and isolate each contact - If it spread further created intrastate borders so only one region at a time would be infected.

result - no spread.

What nsw and vic did - contact trace - lockdown once there were hundreds of cases

result - months long lockdowns.


Close contacts:

Wa - ordered into isolation $50000 fine or 6 months in jail for a breach - police checking multiple times a day as well as an app on your smartphone the health department could call and geolocated the phone while you were talking to them. Several people went to jail for breaches - as a result people stopped breaching

Nsw and vic : nothing even close to that - people regularly flouted isolation orders and spread the disease..




Breakouts in other states :

Wa : closed borders immediately

Nsw and vic : closed borders after covid had got in to the state.




Cruise ships riddled with covid:


Wa : created a quarantine island at rottnest island and sent multiple cruise ships there so it couldnt escape and get to the mainland

Nsw : allowed passengers to disembark and spread covid


Every single step of the way we did things differently to over east and the net result is a death toll a fraction of what they got.

 

[Simple Jack]

72 hours is a long time to spend at an airport pre fight.

Yup. Did this a couple of weeks ago and it was the same.

On the plus side basically every flight was delayed by a couple of hours otherwise they would all have been leaving half empty.

The security guard told us that our flight still had 50 people outstanding (stuck in the security queue) 40 mins after the scheduled departure time.

Sydney was an absolute shit show both ways for me.

 

[faible]

lockdown once there were hundreds of cases

Untrue

closed borders immediately

They were almost never open

we did things differently to over east

You'd like to think so, I'm sure.

McGowan walled WA off from the world, and because their economy mostly lives off the back of mining, they looked good because of it. They have very few entry points in to the state, with limited interactions between any other major city the way the Eastern seaboard does.

An isolationist approach isn't viable everywhere, so stop carrying on like a turnip pretending you know everything about everything and be thankful that WA was lucky to have the ability to wall itself off the way other states couldn't.

There was nothing revolutionary about their approach, they got lucky every single time an outbreak could have spread in the same way Melbourne was unlucky every time.

Routes of infected COVID-19 bus driver revealed

The exact routes driven by a Transperth bus driver infected with COVID-19 have been revealed, as it emerged more than 130 passengers exchanged cash with him.

thewest.com.au

Remember this genius move by McGowan? A bus driver worked for over a week without any transmission. That's not management. That's luck.

 

[kranky al]

Untrue



They were almost never open

uh no - they were locked to states that had covid, covid free states were open. I went to south australia last year - couldnt go to vic or nsw but.

You'd like to think so, I'm sure.

McGowan walled WA off from the world, and because their economy mostly lives off the back of mining, they looked good because of it. They have very few entry points in to the state, with limited interactions between any other major city the way the Eastern seaboard does.

For the fiftieth time : mining stops when the workforce is riddled with covid.

New zealands economy went well too - they dont have mining anything like wa.

Tasmanias economy went well too - mining isnt massive in tasmania.

Strangely enough as i keep saying and you keep ignoring - every state in australias economic performance during covid is inversely proportional to their covid numbers - regardless of what their economy is predicated on - the states whos economies did the best had close to covid zero - sa, wa, tas and qld

The states whos economies performed the worst had high covid numbers - vic and nsw.

Its pretty simple logic that if you have no covid, your tourism, restaurant, business AND mining industries will perform better as you arent in lockdown.

The reverse holds true as well.

An isolationist approach isn't viable everywhere, so stop carrying on like a turnip pretending you know everything about everything and be thankful that WA was lucky to have the ability to wall itself off the way other states couldn't.

There was nothing revolutionary about their approach, they got lucky every single time an outbreak could have spread in the same way Melbourne was unlucky every time.

Routes of infected COVID-19 bus driver revealed

The exact routes driven by a Transperth bus driver infected with COVID-19 have been revealed, as it emerged more than 130 passengers exchanged cash with him.

thewest.com.au

Remember this genius move by McGowan? A bus driver worked for over a week without any transmission. That's not management. That's luck.

You can blather all you like but other countries are loking at wa’s approach and not nsw or vic.

Qld has the same level of interconnected border communities with nsw as nsw does with vic.

The difference being that vic didnt shut the borders to nsw and qld did.


Of course at times there was luck involved. That bus driver being an example. But our immediate circuit breaker lockdowns minimised the luck factor. It stopped everyone moving around and spreading the disease until we had finished contact tracing.


Heres the thing - i bet you all the money in rhis gods green earth that if we could rewind the clock and di it all again -all the states would do it closer to wa’s way and further from vic/ nsw way.

Or we could you know - have a federal government that did its job and created a quarantine facility. Then we wouldn't gave had to do any of this bullshit.

 

[faible]

have a federal government that did its job and created a quarantine facility

Finally, you're starting to get it.

Its pretty simple logic that if you have no covid, your tourism, restaurant, business AND mining industries will perform better as you arent in lockdown.

Well yes. But remember when people kept saying Victoria shouldn't lockdown, now they're saying they should lockdown, even though they did lockdown a number of times?

You can blather all you like but other countries are loking at wa’s approach and not nsw or vic.

They were pretty much the same approach, not that you'd know as you appear to have very limited knowledge about Victoria when you're putting it in the same basket as NSW who did manage it very differently.

Ours worked.

So would ours if we shut the border for the rest of the country for months at a time, only had 3 roads in, and a few thousand km of desert separating us from the rest of the country.

Of course at times there was luck involved.

Yep, a lot of times.

But our immediate circuit breaker lockdown

We did a number of those. But again, you apparently don't know much about Victoria's last two years and just worship at the altar of McGowan.

 

[kranky al]

Finally, you're starting to get it.

[/QUOTE]

Im not finally getting it - ive been advocating for federal quarantine since march 2020.

Well yes. But remember when people kept saying Victoria shouldn't lockdown, now they're saying they should lockdown, even though they did lockdown a number of times?

[/QUOTE]

Whats that got to do with this argument- ive consistently argued for immediate lockdown on a quarantine breach. Who care what others say whats it got to do with this discussion here?

They were pretty much the same approach, not that you'd know as you appear to have very limited knowledge about Victoria when you're putting it in the same basket as NSW who did manage it very differently.

the first victorian out break was mismanaged horribly - too little too late
[/QUOTE]

So would ours if we shut the border for the rest of the country for months at a time, only had 3 roads in, and a few thousand km of desert separating us from the rest of the country.

queensland has the exact same difficulty as vic with a border with nsw and cross border communities - didnt stop them shutting their borders

Yep, a lot of times.
[/QUOTE]

We did a number of those. But again, you apparently don't know much about Victoria's last two years and just worship at the altar of McGowan.

Mcgowan went hard EVERY SINGLE TIME. As i listed above he did a whole heap of things differently than the east. Just because you handwave them away or pretend they dont exist doesnt mean others reading wont miss that you choose to ignore them.

Mcgowan was the only state premier eho opened up with the vast majority of the state double and triple vaxxed

 

[faible]

Mcgowan was the only state premier eho opened up with the vast majority of the state double and triple vaxxed

McGowan was the only state premier who has a city thousands of kilometres away from any other city and an economy built on digging rocks up in remote regions.

It's incredibly disingenuous for someone living in WA that clearly has limited understanding of the unique factors at play there, to pretend they're an expert on all things coronavirus management and try to talk down to others about it.

WA had the luxury of an enormous portion of their economy being underpinned by mining income, so they could afford to shut themselves away in a way the rest of the country could not, in addition to every opportunity there was a failing, having the good fortune of it not going anywhere.

I go to Perth for work. I've seen how people lived during COVID, and I can assure you there's nothing special about Western Australian people, if anything they were far more complacent than Victorians when it came to all the things we were asked to do as individuals the last two years.

 

[kranky al]

McGowan was the only state premier who has a city thousands of kilometres away from any other city and an economy built on digging rocks up in remote regions.

It's incredibly disingenuous for someone living in WA that clearly has limited understanding of the unique factors at play there, to pretend they're an expert on all things coronavirus management and try to talk down to others about it.

WA had the luxury of an enormous portion of their economy being underpinned by mining income, so they could afford to shut themselves away in a way the rest of the country could not, in addition to every opportunity there was a failing, having the good fortune of it not going anywhere.

I go to Perth for work. I've seen how people lived during COVID, and I can assure you there's nothing special about Western Australian people, if anything they were far more complacent than Victorians when it came to all the things we were asked to do as individuals the last two years.

You just keep ignoring facts that dont suit you.

MINES CLOSE WITH COVID RIFE.

See brazil their iron ore industry shut down completely during covid as the workers kept getting covid and the close quarters miners live and eat, sleep and work in means it spreads rapidly.




More; Australian economy and miners to profit from Brazil's coronavirus outbreak - ABC News

No workers no mining.


THATS WHY WE HAD SUCH HARSH RULES.



Of course we were more blase about it - we had no reason not to be.

We didnt have people who were positive blatantly breaking iso and meeting with family and spreading it.

We knew if you did that, chances are you would get caught and you would go to jail.

We didnt have borders open to states with covid rife

We didnt allow cruise ships to disembark passengers rife with covid.

If we had an outbreak we locked down immediately.




If we had experienced the slow too little too late responses of the victorian or nsw government we would have been as gunshy as you lot - but we didnt - we had a government that was on top of it.

 

[faible]

No workers no mining.

THATS WHY WE HAD SUCH HARSH RULES.

Yes. Exactly my point.

Easy to cut yourself off from the world when digging rocks out of the ground in remote areas underpins your economy, and you've got thousands of km of nothingness between you and anywhere else.

Not a luxury afforded to other states.

McGowan didn't 'manage' COVID. He cut WA off entirely from the world due to some very specific advantages WA has over even the rest of the country.

Let's not conflate the two things, and certainly let's not try to lecture the people 'over east' that there's some kind of superiority because of it.

Had WA had to actually 'manage' COVID, they had no better systems in place than anywhere else.

NSW meanwhile, actually managed COVID in a way no other Australian state did.

 

[kranky al]

Yes. Exactly my point.

Easy to cut yourself off from the world when digging rocks out of the ground in remote areas underpins your economy, and you've got thousands of km of nothingness between you and anywhere else.

Not a luxury afforded to other states.

errrr explain qld then?

If we had a border with fifty roads next to nsw mcgowan would have blocked fifty of them.

Same as qld did.


When victoria had its outbreak nsw closed the border to victoria.

Explain that?


Victoria sat there and watched case numbers of omicron explode out of control in nsw and did nothing till way too late.

Thats not an issue of isolation, qld closed the land border, vic chose not to.

 

[kranky al]

McGowan didn't 'manage' COVID. He cut WA off entirely from the world due to some very specific advantages WA has over even the rest of the country.

Let's not conflate the two things, and certainly let's not try to lecture the people 'over east' that there's some kind of superiority because of it.

Had WA had to actually 'manage' COVID, they had no better systems in place than anywhere else.

NSW meanwhile, actually managed COVID in a way no other Australian state did.

Ive explained several times what we did differently and you refuse to acknowledge them.


<<<On 7 July, after recording 191 new cases, Premier Andrews announced that metropolitan Melbourne and the Shire of Mitchell would re-enter lockdown from 12 am on 9 July, for 6 weeks.[23]>>>


191 cases……. That they knew about.


We went into lockdown for one funking case…..


Brain dead moron: tHerEs nO diFfereCe In THe wAY we tReaTed iT

 

[Magnum27]

Flights booked to Sydney for easter leaving good Friday, booked flights about 6 months ago using frequent flyer points.

Not looking forward to the trip now, given how poor customer service has become, and starting to wish i had not booked with them, and i'm happy with my choice to book our upcoming US trip with AIR NZ over Qantas.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Flights booked to Sydney for easter leaving good Friday, booked flights about 6 months ago using frequent flyer points.

Not looking forward to the trip now, given how poor customer service has become, and starting to wish i had not booked with them, and i'm happy with my choice to book our upcoming US trip with AIR NZ over Qantas.

qantas has been jetstar with slightly better food for a while

i only fly qantas now if i have to

 

[kranky al]

qantas has been jetstar with slightly better food for a while

i only fly qantas now if i have to

After alan joyces urging to everyone to open up no matter how many deaths it causes i will use qantas as the carrier of last resort.

 

[Magnum27]

qantas has been jetstar with slightly better food for a while

i only fly qantas now if i have to

Yeh we are only burning the frequent flyers we have left with them, usually fly Virgin domestically.

 

[Magnum27]

After alan joyces urging to everyone to open up no matter how many deaths it causes i will use qantas as the carrier of last resort.

Add to the fact he took job keeper and then sacked staff and kept it, if i didn't have the frequent flyers no way i would be flying with them

 

[kranky al]

Add to the fact he took job keeper and then sacked staff and kept it, if i didn't have the frequent flyers no way i would be flying with them

All the jobkeeper rorters are on my list too - harvey gormless and co can ead