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Backpocket101 said:
So what’s the difference between PAC Pines and Moorooka going up not just divisions but from Fridays to Saturdays? Other than AFLQ forcing them up?

What’s the definition of success then? Redcliffe multiple prelims prior to this season? Alex Hills multiple GFs?

By everyone’s logic here, Moorooka is no where ready for going up a division since they’ve only been good for 2 years, back to back GFs and an undefeated season. They better stay Fridays and win just one more to ensure they really are ready.

Or have we just decided that Div 1 is just too hard?

You need to send 2 teams or more up to Div 1. Not just the one club.
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Maybe the difference is Moorooka always had vision to go back to Saturdays.
Sandgate were always working on getting back to the highest level they could.
To me the thinking is let's just get there go then go to work and build it again.
Not sure too many other clubs have the same mentality.
I as a player wanted to play at the highest level possible.
That doesn't seem to be the case anymore.
Young Noah from Hawks heading to coops to play qafl .
So any young lads should be trying div 1 seniors or going going straight to qafl.
Yes you blood them and most probably lose them if they perform.
But that's the way it should be.
There are plenty of clubs nowhere near going up but in the north and south div 2 there are clubs who could make the jump but choose to stay where they are comfortable.
Having a 12 team north comp where good teams are only tested once a month is let's say questionable.
But at this point it's the clubs decision on where they play.
Aflq can ask or even suggest but a simple no thanks will do the trick.
 
Backpocket101 said:
So what’s the difference between PAC Pines and Moorooka going up not just divisions but from Fridays to Saturdays? Other than AFLQ forcing them up?

What’s the definition of success then? Redcliffe multiple prelims prior to this season? Alex Hills multiple GFs?

By everyone’s logic here, Moorooka is no where ready for going up a division since they’ve only been good for 2 years, back to back GFs and an undefeated season. They better stay Fridays and win just one more to ensure they really are ready.

Or have we just decided that Div 1 is just too hard?

You need to send 2 teams or more up to Div 1. Not just the one club.
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They can’t be forced to go up. They’ve clearly got to have the personal to field a second team to allow such a move. Enough to field a ressies + senior team
 
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One point of view (yeah, it’s a bit long):
Each Club is responsible for their own affairs and development.
The League is responsible for the management and health of all competitions under their jurisdiction.
It might be sport for some to take pot-shots at the League from time to time – but the League must rely on the willingness and co-operation of the Clubs. And vice versa. Each entity relies on the other.
Let’s assume that a Division 1 consisting of 7 clubs is inadequate – and that whilst 13 is too many, none of the QAFL clubs will be demoted in the short-term.
The Six Core Pillars relate specifically to QAFL participation, yet still have relevance for any level of promotion. They are defined as:
  • Governance
  • Finance
  • Brand & Culture
  • Facilities
  • Strategic Planning
  • On-field Performance
If we focus on Redcliffe for a moment, I suspect they are performing outstandingly in most areas for their current level of competition. Their facilities are excellent – and although they have one Senior Flag from the past 4 seasons, they also have won 59 of 73 games played during that period. I might view the Tigers as a strong candidate for promotion – but what I think doesn’t matter. It is up to the willingness of the Club.
We could turn our attention to the Div 2 South clubs. I can see a time when Coolangatta, Burleigh or Bond Uni (or an entirely different club) steps up to Div 1 – but it is a decision for the individual clubs to make the jump. It does also feel that there is a prevailing level of comfort with maintaining a “Gold Coast isolation” policy for this particular comp.
So, what happens if no club wants to step up to bring Div 1 to 8 teams? The League may have to act to maintain the health of the comps. It would be potentially imprudent to force a promotion on any single club. Perhaps it is necessary to promote 3 Clubs in one hit? Or maybe even 5?
Fundamentally, if individual Clubs are not willing to make the step up, then the League may need to take action to manage their comps. And maybe, being on the verge of Summer, it is already too late for 2026.
 

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Toucan Soup said:
One point of view (yeah, it’s a bit long):
Each Club is responsible for their own affairs and development.
The League is responsible for the management and health of all competitions under their jurisdiction.
It might be sport for some to take pot-shots at the League from time to time – but the League must rely on the willingness and co-operation of the Clubs. And vice versa. Each entity relies on the other.
Let’s assume that a Division 1 consisting of 7 clubs is inadequate – and that whilst 13 is too many, none of the QAFL clubs will be demoted in the short-term.
The Six Core Pillars relate specifically to QAFL participation, yet still have relevance for any level of promotion. They are defined as:
  • Governance
  • Finance
  • Brand & Culture
  • Facilities
  • Strategic Planning
  • On-field Performance
If we focus on Redcliffe for a moment, I suspect they are performing outstandingly in most areas for their current level of competition. Their facilities are excellent – and although they have one Senior Flag from the past 4 seasons, they also have won 59 of 73 games played during that period. I might view the Tigers as a strong candidate for promotion – but what I think doesn’t matter. It is up to the willingness of the Club.
We could turn our attention to the Div 2 South clubs. I can see a time when Coolangatta, Burleigh or Bond Uni (or an entirely different club) steps up to Div 1 – but it is a decision for the individual clubs to make the jump. It does also feel that there is a prevailing level of comfort with maintaining a “Gold Coast isolation” policy for this particular comp.
So, what happens if no club wants to step up to bring Div 1 to 8 teams? The League may have to act to maintain the health of the comps. It would be potentially imprudent to force a promotion on any single club. Perhaps it is necessary to promote 3 Clubs in one hit? Or maybe even 5?
Fundamentally, if individual Clubs are not willing to make the step up, then the League may need to take action to manage their comps. And maybe, being on the verge of Summer, it is already too late for 2026.
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Some very good points Toucan.

Accepting that clubs need to be in control of their own destiny allowing things to meander along doesn’t appear to be a strategy for a suitable solution. At the end of the day the responsibility for competition integrity rests with the administration.

Maybe the 6 pillars you speak of should be an annually fluid scorecard used to redirect if clubs pass or fail 2 years running?
 
Spot on, LaggingBehind
I guess what I am saying is that if there is a "forced" promotion, you're setting potentially yourself up for failure. A level of mutual co-operation is required (is that a tautology?) - and if that is not present, then the League needs to act.
Is the "Six Pillars" criteria even still considered for promotions? Possibly not (it might be a relic of the not-so-distant past).
 
But I would suggest those pillars are often overlooked when a club is willing to go up. On field competitiveness seems to not be as focused on. No one really can guess how each team fairs the following season.

Friday comps seem to pillar around your numbers (two teams) and some level of competitiveness. However recent examples of Zillmere, Pine Rivers, Moorooka and Pac Pines all suggest you can either be ultra competitive or be middle of the pack and that won’t matter. As long as you have numbers and want to go up.

Div 2, seems to have been rendered down to, are they willing to go up. Regardless of on field strength.

I just want to know what is the criteria of success is for each club to go up or down, regardless of division. Consistency would be nice.
 
Toucan Soup said:
One point of view (yeah, it’s a bit long):
Each Club is responsible for their own affairs and development.
The League is responsible for the management and health of all competitions under their jurisdiction.
It might be sport for some to take pot-shots at the League from time to time – but the League must rely on the willingness and co-operation of the Clubs. And vice versa. Each entity relies on the other.
Let’s assume that a Division 1 consisting of 7 clubs is inadequate – and that whilst 13 is too many, none of the QAFL clubs will be demoted in the short-term.
The Six Core Pillars relate specifically to QAFL participation, yet still have relevance for any level of promotion. They are defined as:
  • Governance
  • Finance
  • Brand & Culture
  • Facilities
  • Strategic Planning
  • On-field Performance
If we focus on Redcliffe for a moment, I suspect they are performing outstandingly in most areas for their current level of competition. Their facilities are excellent – and although they have one Senior Flag from the past 4 seasons, they also have won 59 of 73 games played during that period. I might view the Tigers as a strong candidate for promotion – but what I think doesn’t matter. It is up to the willingness of the Club.
We could turn our attention to the Div 2 South clubs. I can see a time when Coolangatta, Burleigh or Bond Uni (or an entirely different club) steps up to Div 1 – but it is a decision for the individual clubs to make the jump. It does also feel that there is a prevailing level of comfort with maintaining a “Gold Coast isolation” policy for this particular comp.
So, what happens if no club wants to step up to bring Div 1 to 8 teams? The League may have to act to maintain the health of the comps. It would be potentially imprudent to force a promotion on any single club. Perhaps it is necessary to promote 3 Clubs in one hit? Or maybe even 5?
Fundamentally, if individual Clubs are not willing to make the step up, then the League may need to take action to manage their comps. And maybe, being on the verge of Summer, it is already too late for 2026.
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You can't force clubs up, but there are mechanisms to encourage it.

AFLQ are within their power to give points and cap concessions for struggling clubs, but conversely as I understand it, they are also within their rights to reduce points caps and salary caps for clubs that are 'over achieving'.

We haven't seen this happen as yet, but would be interesting to see if a club that completely dominates a certain division over 2-3 seasons has their points allowance reduced. There would be lots of sooking and bleating, but the mechanism is there!
 
Miller1971 said:
You can't force clubs up, but there are mechanisms to encourage it.

AFLQ are within their power to give points and cap concessions for struggling clubs, but conversely as I understand it, they are also within their rights to reduce points caps and salary caps for clubs that are 'over achieving'.

We haven't seen this happen as yet, but would be interesting to see if a club that completely dominates a certain division over 2-3 seasons has their points allowance reduced. There would be lots of sooking and bleating, but the mechanism is there!
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Great point Miller, they do it a lot in Victorian Competitions as a leveller to prohibit clubs in reducing points and getting stronger. Think it’s a no brainer for lower divisions especially.

Then give relief when Teams take the step up a division.
 

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Toucan Soup said:
One point of view (yeah, it’s a bit long):
Each Club is responsible for their own affairs and development.
The League is responsible for the management and health of all competitions under their jurisdiction.
It might be sport for some to take pot-shots at the League from time to time – but the League must rely on the willingness and co-operation of the Clubs. And vice versa. Each entity relies on the other.
Let’s assume that a Division 1 consisting of 7 clubs is inadequate – and that whilst 13 is too many, none of the QAFL clubs will be demoted in the short-term.
The Six Core Pillars relate specifically to QAFL participation, yet still have relevance for any level of promotion. They are defined as:
  • Governance
  • Finance
  • Brand & Culture
  • Facilities
  • Strategic Planning
  • On-field Performance
If we focus on Redcliffe for a moment, I suspect they are performing outstandingly in most areas for their current level of competition. Their facilities are excellent – and although they have one Senior Flag from the past 4 seasons, they also have won 59 of 73 games played during that period. I might view the Tigers as a strong candidate for promotion – but what I think doesn’t matter. It is up to the willingness of the Club.
We could turn our attention to the Div 2 South clubs. I can see a time when Coolangatta, Burleigh or Bond Uni (or an entirely different club) steps up to Div 1 – but it is a decision for the individual clubs to make the jump. It does also feel that there is a prevailing level of comfort with maintaining a “Gold Coast isolation” policy for this particular comp.
So, what happens if no club wants to step up to bring Div 1 to 8 teams? The League may have to act to maintain the health of the comps. It would be potentially imprudent to force a promotion on any single club. Perhaps it is necessary to promote 3 Clubs in one hit? Or maybe even 5?
Fundamentally, if individual Clubs are not willing to make the step up, then the League may need to take action to manage their comps. And maybe, being on the verge of Summer, it is already too late for 2026.
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Good points toucan but unfortunately I think the 6 pillars (there used to be a 7th and that was the capacity to run a colts side out) get overlooked for whether a side should go down versus go up. It seems you are locked in no matter what if you tick the boxes in a single year. For qafl footy anyway.
 
Still Me said:
Great point Miller, they do it a lot in Victorian Competitions as a leveller to prohibit clubs in reducing points and getting stronger. Think it’s a no brainer for lower divisions especially.

Then give relief when Teams take the step up a division.
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Yep, if Redcliffe for example were to win D2 again.

I'd be reducing their points cap by 5 and reducing their salary cap as well.

Alternatively, I'd entice them into Div 1 by giving them 3-5 points more to go up.

Not sure this sort of logic exists at HQ though!
 
Miller1971 said:
Yep, if Redcliffe for example were to win D2 again.

I'd be reducing their points cap by 5 and reducing their salary cap as well.

Alternatively, I'd entice them into Div 1 by giving them 3-5 points more to go up.

Not sure this sort of logic exists at HQ though!
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Miller1971 said:
Yep, if Redcliffe for example were to win D2 again.

I'd be reducing their points cap by 5 and reducing their salary cap as well.

Alternatively, I'd entice them into Div 1 by giving them 3-5 points more to go up.

Not sure this sort of logic exists at HQ though!
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And it shouldn’t! Why should 1 club be penalised for success? As I’ve said previously. Just because they’ve had a good year and won the flag doesn’t mean they’re ready themselves to bump upto div1.

Any team that goes to Div 1 needs to be ready otherwise they’ll end up back in div2 with their tail between their legs.
 

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Boxo004 said:
Gympie staying in D2 and have applied for extra points. Coach to be announced in coming days and is expected to drag a few up with him
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For a club that sat between 23-28 points each week with the points cap I would be very surprised if they were granted extra points by AFLQ. If Gympie have applied for those extra points it points towards some big recruits with a hint of splashing a lot of cash about to get them there.
 
Flying Eagle1 said:
For a club that sat between 23-28 points each week with the points cap I would be very surprised if they were granted extra points by AFLQ. If Gympie have applied for those extra points it points towards some big recruits with a hint of splashing a lot of cash about to get them there.
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All new leadership there and people ready to commit things are looking very positive.
 
If it involves a coach and a bunch of players commuting from the coast, history suggests there may be short term success but long term a different story. Worth a try if you've been last for 7 years though
 

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