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Still Me said:
So everyone bagging Park Ridge and at least 5 other clubs doing the same.

I have no problems with it as we give back to QAFL with our better younger players so it’s a fair return in my opinion.

Vic Lad aren’t you from Moorooka? Slammed us for doing what your club has been doing for years?
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Can confirm he isn’t from Moorooka Still Me

The guys (3 players) who are playing for us aren’t on a match day permit each week they are type 2 and they actually train with us and have done well before Round 1 started.

They have purchased all their kit and bearing a huge amount of injuries at the Kings they will transfer over to us before the transfer cut off.

Our club wouldn’t play these boys if it was a week by week thing as we have plenty of numbers and aren’t using them as a top up due to shortages.

I have no issue with how you or other teams do you’re own business, it doesn’t bother us
 
the7thranger said:
It's a great gesture by you and the club you represent to:
1) Support teams short of numbers and;
2) Offer opportunities to footballers who wouldn't otherwise get the chance.

However, Personally (and no reflection on you because you are just supporting clubs in need) I feel it has the potential to mess with the integrity of competitions, ladder placements etc. You'd be pretty flat if your side missed out on a chance of finals because a couple of handy footballers were potentially the difference in a H&A game and it cost you the final spot.

Additionally, it's not overly equitable due to certain networks clubs have, some clubs having no feeders to lend support, geographical location of clubs etc.

I feel this is something HQ needs to resolve and quickly. This is not a sour grapes post because we are coming off a big loss. Rather, a steadfast black and white rule that states the what is okay and what isn't (please excuse my ignorance if this rule exists, I just haven't seen it posted yet.)
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At the end of the day though its no different recruiting any Tom Dick or Harry from any other competition in Australia which clubs do all the time. If your club has cultivated strong relationships with others that allows you to pick up a few permitted players (as we have well established normally fringe guys anyway) then I think thats just a fair competitive advantage.

To the Kedron guys complaining, one of the main reasons why this senior disqualification rule came into effect was an instance where bottom placed Kedron loaded up on Yeronga seniors during a bye week and nearly knocked off 1st placed Moreton
 
BlackGun1 said:
At the end of the day though its no different recruiting any Tom Dick or Harry from any other competition in Australia which clubs do all the time. If your club has cultivated strong relationships with others that allows you to pick up a few permitted players (as we have well established normally fringe guys anyway) then I think thats just a fair competitive advantage.

To the Kedron guys complaining, one of the main reasons why this senior disqualification rule came into effect was an instance where bottom placed Kedron loaded up on Yeronga seniors during a bye week and nearly knocked off 1st placed Moreton
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Just to clarify, nothing against Kedron at all but just showing an example that end of the day everyone does it. Good to see them helping out Gympie too, but IMO this competition still very much even and dont think integrity is an issue here
 
Moonshadow said:
Can confirm he isn’t from Moorooka Still Me

The guys (3 players) who are playing for us aren’t on a match day permit each week they are type 2 and they actually train with us and have done well before Round 1 started.

They have purchased all their kit and bearing a huge amount of injuries at the Kings they will transfer over to us before the transfer cut off.

Our club wouldn’t play these boys if it was a week by week thing as we have plenty of numbers and aren’t using them as a top up due to shortages.

I have no issue with how you or other teams do you’re own business, it doesn’t bother us
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Apolgies Moonshadow I thought he was from Moorooka. No matter what club he is from no doubt everyone does it when required as BG pointed out.

No one complained when Pine Rivers got Caloundra boys last year and nearly won a flag. But I say good on them if it’s within rules why not.

We are only using players because of injuries. I assure you once everyone is up and going we will be back to normal as well.
 

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BlackGun1 said:
Just to clarify, nothing against Kedron at all but just showing an example that end of the day everyone does it. Good to see them helping out Gympie too, but IMO this competition still very much even and dont think integrity is an issue here
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Mate all I have said is Mt gravatt had a bye.
We got beaten in the ones by a better side on the day.
On the issue of that yeronga game. I wasn't involved at the time. What I can say is it won't ever happen if I have a say.
On the permit business I'm not a fan of loading up your ones with blokes from two divisions up.
Don't care if it's allowed.
It's not good for culture or more important twos players getting senior experience.
Please don't use the excuse they all only want to play twos.
If your club can't get a couple to go up. Maybe you have more problems than you realise.
I hope aflq look harder at the permit system.
If a club from two levels up has a bye they should be excluded from permits that week.
It has holes in it everywhere.
There's no way qafl players should be allowed drop down two levels.
All this talk on here about so many players permitting every week is disturbing.
How many clubs are running short in round three.
That's an issue that needs attention.
All for the permit system.
But if it's beaing used to get wins instead of helping out a club in need I have a problem with that.
A bloke like longy from a division below is unable to permit over to Sandgate to play seniors.
If he does his out of zillmere side for the year.
But you can play qafl and come back and play what ever you like.
Yeah that seems fair.
So while the system has loopholes it will be exploited.
Just not a fan of not backing my own players first.
 
BlackGun1 said:
At the end of the day though its no different recruiting any Tom Dick or Harry from any other competition in Australia which clubs do all the time. If your club has cultivated strong relationships with others that allows you to pick up a few permitted players (as we have well established normally fringe guys anyway) then I think thats just a fair competitive advantage.

To the Kedron guys complaining, one of the main reasons why this senior disqualification rule came into effect was an instance where bottom placed Kedron loaded up on Yeronga seniors during a bye week and nearly knocked off 1st placed Moreton
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BlackGun1 said:
At the end of the day though its no different recruiting any Tom Dick or Harry from any other competition in Australia which clubs do all the time. If your club has cultivated strong relationships with others that allows you to pick up a few permitted players (as we have well established normally fringe guys anyway) then I think thats just a fair competitive advantage.

To the Kedron guys complaining, one of the main reasons why this senior disqualification rule came into effect was an instance where bottom placed Kedron loaded up on Yeronga seniors during a bye week and nearly knocked off 1st placed Moreton
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I take your point but can't agree. I do recall the instance that you're referring to a few years ago, and I didn't agree with that then.

I feel like clubs should be rewarded for recruiting players in the off season off their own bat, opposed to coming up against sides who can play footballers off permit as a result of favourable fixtures in other comps or availability of players outside their own list.
Still Me said:
Apolgies Moonshadow I thought he was from Moorooka. No matter what club he is from no doubt everyone does it when required as BG pointed out.

No one complained when Pine Rivers got Caloundra boys last year and nearly won a flag. But I say good on them if it’s within rules why not.

We are only using players because of injuries. I assure you once everyone is up and going we will be back to normal as well.
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I feel the Pine Rivers situation was different last year as a whole group committed to a club when their preferred club wasn't competing (and generally a unique situation).

Like I have said previously, Park Ridge too good on the weekend by the sounds. But it is concerning when QAFL players come down and play on permit in a lower grade - regardless of intent. E.g. Hunt on the weekend who played for Park Ridge is a serious footballer.

Do you expect him to join you on a full time basis?
 
Still Me said:
So everyone bagging Park Ridge and at least 5 other clubs doing the same.

I have no problems with it as we give back to QAFL with our better younger players so it’s a fair return in my opinion.

Vic Lad aren’t you from Moorooka? Slammed us for doing what your club has been doing for years?
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Son plays at Moreton so definitely seems to be part of a club not taking short cuts.
 
outandabout said:
Mate all I have said is Mt gravatt had a bye.
We got beaten in the ones by a better side on the day.
On the issue of that yeronga game. I wasn't involved at the time. What I can say is it won't ever happen if I have a say.
On the permit business I'm not a fan of loading up your ones with blokes from two divisions up.
Don't care if it's allowed.
It's not good for culture or more important twos players getting senior experience.
Please don't use the excuse they all only want to play twos.
If your club can't get a couple to go up. Maybe you have more problems than you realise.
I hope aflq look harder at the permit system.
If a club from two levels up has a bye they should be excluded from permits that week.
It has holes in it everywhere.
There's no way qafl players should be allowed drop down two levels.
All this talk on here about so many players permitting every week is disturbing.
How many clubs are running short in round three.
That's an issue that needs attention.
All for the permit system.
But if it's beaing used to get wins instead of helping out a club in need I have a problem with that.
A bloke like longy from a division below is unable to permit over to Sandgate to play seniors.
If he does his out of zillmere side for the year.
But you can play qafl and come back and play what ever you like.
Yeah that seems fair.
So while the system has loopholes it will be exploited.
Just not a fan of not backing my own players first.
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Yeah I was knocked back by AFLQ from playing seniors a comp up, only need 3 games for 100 at Sandgate, can’t play every Friday game due to coaching youth footy but the brains trust didn’t have the heart to let it happen. It wouldn’t of benefited Zillmere at all, and Sandgate probably not much benefit either with me dragging my old ass around, but both clubs were happy to try make it happen. But they will approve a young bloke from the QAFL to play div 2 and make a huge difference to a game. Feel free everyone to post a letter to the editor about how crap that is.
 
Longy_Zillmere said:
Yeah I was knocked back by AFLQ from playing seniors a comp up, only need 3 games for 100 at Sandgate, can’t play every Friday game due to coaching youth footy but the brains trust didn’t have the heart to let it happen. It wouldn’t of benefited Zillmere at all, and Sandgate probably not much benefit either with me dragging my old ass around, but both clubs were happy to try make it happen. But they will approve a young bloke from the QAFL to play div 2 and make a huge difference to a game. Feel free everyone to post a letter to the editor about how crap that is.
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I agree with being able to use Div 3 and 4 players in Seniors would help everyone as there is some good players at that level that would comfortably fit in any Div 2 side.

Feel we get slammed here when 90% of clubs have done it for a while. Do until rules change then if clubs require additional players then it will happen.

Not sure many QAFL Clubs would be giving up anyone remotely in their best 25-30 players to play Div 2.

As I said previously we could only use players that didn’t play the week before so it was essentially the boys that missed out on all grades at MtGravatt the week before.

I wasn’t at game as I said but I know at least one of the boys may come over for an extended period if not full time as he has trained with us and is mates with few of the boys.

Hopefully this week we back to not needing anyone. But we are only 6 years old as a club and still building core group of players from our area which is predominantly Rugby League.

And playing out of a school ground doesn’t help either. So hopefully we can resolve that with new facilities next year.
 
the7thranger said:
I take your point but can't agree. I do recall the instance that you're referring to a few years ago, and I didn't agree with that then.

I feel like clubs should be rewarded for recruiting players in the off season off their own bat, opposed to coming up against sides who can play footballers off permit as a result of favourable fixtures in other comps or availability of players outside their own list.

I feel the Pine Rivers situation was different last year as a whole group committed to a club when their preferred club wasn't competing (and generally a unique situation).

Like I have said previously, Park Ridge too good on the weekend by the sounds. But it is concerning when QAFL players come down and play on permit in a lower grade - regardless of intent. E.g. Hunt on the weekend who played for Park Ridge is a serious footballer.

Do you expect him to join you on a full time basis?
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Gareth Hunt?
 

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the7thranger said:
It's a great gesture by you and the club you represent to:
1) Support teams short of numbers and;
2) Offer opportunities to footballers who wouldn't otherwise get the chance.

However, Personally (and no reflection on you because you are just supporting clubs in need) I feel it has the potential to mess with the integrity of competitions, ladder placements etc. You'd be pretty flat if your side missed out on a chance of finals because a couple of handy footballers were potentially the difference in a H&A game and it cost you the final spot.

Additionally, it's not overly equitable due to certain networks clubs have, some clubs having no feeders to lend support, geographical location of clubs etc.

I feel this is something HQ needs to resolve and quickly. This is not a sour grapes post because we are coming off a big loss. Rather, a steadfast black and white rule that states the what is okay and what isn't (please excuse my ignorance if this rule exists, I just haven't seen it posted yet.)
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What you don't realise is that the QAFL has this happen every week, which is often why there are blokes missing out at bottom end.

Previously it was NEAFL, now its VFL. Those players that miss out for the 4 x QLD based VFL teams each week are fed out to the QAFL teams.

eg, we had 1 x Southport guy and 1 x Aspley guy on the weekend, that pushes 2 down to ressies and 2 more out the back of ressies.

We try to find these guys games, because they are entitled to play - we also like to find them games to help any nearby club who might have issues with numbers for whatever reason.

I don't think the integrity of any competition is at risk, and its normally Div 2 because Div 1 clubs have plenty of numbers and there are 3,000 Div 2 clubs!


outandabout said:
Mate all I have said is Mt gravatt had a bye.
We got beaten in the ones by a better side on the day.
On the issue of that yeronga game. I wasn't involved at the time. What I can say is it won't ever happen if I have a say.
On the permit business I'm not a fan of loading up your ones with blokes from two divisions up.
Don't care if it's allowed.
It's not good for culture or more important twos players getting senior experience.
Please don't use the excuse they all only want to play twos.
If your club can't get a couple to go up. Maybe you have more problems than you realise.
I hope aflq look harder at the permit system.
If a club from two levels up has a bye they should be excluded from permits that week.
It has holes in it everywhere.
There's no way qafl players should be allowed drop down two levels.
All this talk on here about so many players permitting every week is disturbing.
How many clubs are running short in round three.
That's an issue that needs attention.
All for the permit system.
But if it's beaing used to get wins instead of helping out a club in need I have a problem with that.
A bloke like longy from a division below is unable to permit over to Sandgate to play seniors.
If he does his out of zillmere side for the year.
But you can play qafl and come back and play what ever you like.
Yeah that seems fair.
So while the system has loopholes it will be exploited.
Just not a fan of not backing my own players first.
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no holes in it, people just going off half cocked who don't know the rules.

If Mt Gravatt had a bye, nobody selected in their of their Seniors/Ressies the previous Round can play on permit unless special permission is sought. If they have played a QAFL Senior game during the year, they can't play Div 2 without special permission either ebcause the gap in level.

However, if you can't get a QAFL 2s game - then you are entitled to find a game somewhere and I can't see why anyone would have an issue with this. yes, some decent players will still miss QAFL Ressies, but they are not going to be superstars.
 
Thommo 42 said:
What you don't realise is that the QAFL has this happen every week, which is often why there are blokes missing out at bottom end.

Previously it was NEAFL, now its VFL. Those players that miss out for the 4 x QLD based VFL teams each week are fed out to the QAFL teams.

eg, we had 1 x Southport guy and 1 x Aspley guy on the weekend, that pushes 2 down to ressies and 2 more out the back of ressies.

We try to find these guys games, because they are entitled to play - we also like to find them games to help any nearby club who might have issues with numbers for whatever reason.

I don't think the integrity of any competition is at risk, and its normally Div 2 because Div 1 clubs have plenty of numbers and there are 3,000 Div 2 clubs!




no holes in it, people just going off half cocked who don't know the rules.

If Mt Gravatt had a bye, nobody selected in their of their Seniors/Ressies the previous Round can play on permit unless special permission is sought. If they have played a QAFL Senior game during the year, they can't play Div 2 without special permission either ebcause the gap in level.

However, if you can't get a QAFL 2s game - then you are entitled to find a game somewhere and I can't see why anyone would have an issue with this. yes, some decent players will still miss QAFL Ressies, but they are not going to be superstars.
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Hunt played seniors in round 2
 

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Longy_Zillmere said:
Yeah I was knocked back by AFLQ from playing seniors a comp up, only need 3 games for 100 at Sandgate, can’t play every Friday game due to coaching youth footy but the brains trust didn’t have the heart to let it happen. It wouldn’t of benefited Zillmere at all, and Sandgate probably not much benefit either with me dragging my old ass around, but both clubs were happy to try make it happen. But they will approve a young bloke from the QAFL to play div 2 and make a huge difference to a game. Feel free everyone to post a letter to the editor about how crap that is.
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Yep that's must be frustrating.
Like I said I like the idea of the permit system.
But please make it fair to all clubs and players.
Going up one level is treated differently to going down two.
 

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