Qk

[Knowledge]

Just a question.

How do you guys play QK?

There was some interesting discussion about it on my table last night.
There was two occassions where I folded QK to preflop raises and people said I was way to tight.

One occasion was I was in the small blind and UTG raised to 15 and had 4 callers.
I would have been OOP and probably dominated.

Another one is where I was on the button and UTG +2 made it 25 to go. With 2 callers, I folded again.

Anyway, I found that to be a pretty standard fold. What do you guys think?

 

[Jeremias]

Don't really have a predetermined way of playing it-really depends on chip/stack scenario.

Other night got KQ suited, raised pre-flop all in and lost

 

[Crosby87]

Just a question.

How do you guys play QK?

There was some interesting discussion about it on my table last night.
There was two occassions where I folded QK to preflop raises and people said I was way to tight.

One occasion was I was in the small blind and UTG raised to 15 and had 4 callers.
I would have been OOP and probably dominated.

Another one is where I was on the button and UTG +2 made it 25 to go. With 2 callers, I folded again.

Anyway, I found that to be a pretty standard fold. What do you guys think?

I think you played it fine both times. K-Q is a hand that can get you into trouble, especially in a multi-way pot.

Of course, as mentioned, situation's vary. But I think in these two scenarios, I think you did fine. There's nothing wrong with passing with a hand like that in those situations to pick a better spot, or at least a spot where you're heads up.

 

[Falchoon]

Just a question.

How do you guys play QK?

There was some interesting discussion about it on my table last night.
There was two occassions where I folded QK to preflop raises and people said I was way to tight.

One occasion was I was in the small blind and UTG raised to 15 and had 4 callers.
I would have been OOP and probably dominated.

Another one is where I was on the button and UTG +2 made it 25 to go. With 2 callers, I folded again.

Anyway, I found that to be a pretty standard fold. What do you guys think?

me, fold and fold, I dont mind raising with them, don't like calling with them, position dictates

 

[Ricketts]

I overrate KQ. I play too much blackjack.

 

[Crosby87]

me, fold and fold, I dont mind raising with them, don't like calling with them, position dictates

Agreed. I don't mind calling in position in a heads up pot. At least then you can take it down if you miss, obviously.

 

[-VC-]

I would fold the first one without hesitation. I would think about the second one and then fold it.

KQ can definitely be troublesome, especially with that many players. I agree with Falchoon - I like raising with KQ but not a big fan of calling.

 

[Armwarmer]

I think you made the right play both times.

However, when, for example, you're sitting on a hand like KQ OOP and it's been raised and called a few times, rather than calling, I'd be pondering a reraise, which would thin the field, and give you justifiable odds to see the flop, as long as your opponent didn't have aces, kings or queens, or AK/AQ.

I think it really depends on your table image. If you feel you're going to have lots of fold equity in a reraise, then maybe do it. But if you don't, you have to lay it down.

 

[Glenno23]

Just a question.

How do you guys play QK?

There was some interesting discussion about it on my table last night.
There was two occassions where I folded QK to preflop raises and people said I was way to tight.

One occasion was I was in the small blind and UTG raised to 15 and had 4 callers.
I would have been OOP and probably dominated.

Another one is where I was on the button and UTG +2 made it 25 to go. With 2 callers, I folded again.

Anyway, I found that to be a pretty standard fold. What do you guys think?

I go ALL IN. Anytime, any position. Awesome hand Never loses.....

 

[Ricketts]

However, when, for example, you're sitting on a hand like KQ OOP and it's been raised and called a few times, rather than calling, I'd be pondering a reraise, which would thin the field, and give you justifiable odds to see the flop, as long as your opponent didn't have aces, kings or queens, or AK/AQ.

But then again, these are the only hands that are realistically going to call your re-raise, and they all dominate KQ.

 

[red+black]

Let's not get too carried away with mere discussion of position. In the first example, hero has relative position and is thus last to act. You can elect to call, then as is expected, check the flop. Hero can observe how the flop betting plays out then go from there. If you hit the flop hard with KQs, say TPGK + 2NFD or T2P, then you *might* be in a position to take it down.

That said, I'd probably fold.

 

[Borgsta]

I had an awesome KQ today at crown. Pot was around 16 after ppl went in and the flop comes Q-10-5. I'm 1st and check, guy next to me bets 15 and someone goes over the top for 30. I push 52 in there and am called by both ppl. They turn over Q-6 and Q-J respectively. Turn 6, River J.

Yay.

 

[-VC-]

I had an awesome KQ today at crown. Pot was around 16 after ppl went in and the flop comes Q-10-5. I'm 1st and check, guy next to me bets 15 and someone goes over the top for 30. I push 52 in there and am called by both ppl. They turn over Q-6 and Q-J respectively. Turn 6, River J.

Yay.

Sixth street would've been K.

 

[Frizzo]

Just a question.

How do you guys play QK?

There was some interesting discussion about it on my table last night.
There was two occassions where I folded QK to preflop raises and people said I was way to tight.

One occasion was I was in the small blind and UTG raised to 15 and had 4 callers.
I would have been OOP and probably dominated.

Another one is where I was on the button and UTG +2 made it 25 to go. With 2 callers, I folded again.

Anyway, I found that to be a pretty standard fold. What do you guys think?

lolol, noobs and their QK. Don't listen to them. Folding KQ to a raise in the SB is never bad. Against good players I insta-muck AJ there.

Knowing the stakes would make it a little easier? If that's a 5BB+ raise on the second hand it's another instamuck.

 

[Knowledge]

lolol, noobs and their QK. Don't listen to them. Folding KQ to a raise in the SB is never bad. Against good players I insta-muck AJ there.

Knowing the stakes would make it a little easier? If that's a 5BB+ raise on the second hand it's another instamuck.

1/2.

So it's like 12xBB. I mean I just figure I HAVE to be dominated. AJ (even though I wouldn't play it)/AK or AQ. even KK , QQ.

Even if I do hit the flop, 9/10 I'll be smashed. I save myself a big bet.

 

[Armwarmer]

But then again, these are the only hands that are realistically going to call your re-raise, and they all dominate KQ.

Depending on the strength of the action, your reraise could pick up the pot right there, so a call is not necessarily what you're after. While Sklansky and Harrington advise not to try squeeze type manouvers with hands that are easily dominated, in this case, with the benefit of a very strong table image, I don't know whether ace king/ace queen can call your reraise on top of all the action in front of you.

Also, if you can get yourself heads up, there is so much dead money in the pot that the natural odds almost justify the play even if you're dominated. Assuming you're not up against aces or kings, you could even take it away on the flop with a strong cont bet.

Edit: This play doesn't really end up in a showdown, so you holding king queen seems moot, as this move could be done with 7-2.

The advantage of doing it with decent high cards is that if you are called or reraised all in by a smallstack with a medium pocket pair hoping for a coinflip, you've got decent cards to have gone to war with.

Also, a favourable flop with cards like king-queen, king-jack or queen-jack carries with it insane implied odds. You could felt someone if you flop an OESD and proceed to hit it, while they're on something like two pair.

 

[Frizzo]

1/2.

So it's like 12xBB. I mean I just figure I HAVE to be dominated. AJ (even though I wouldn't play it)/AK or AQ. even KK , QQ.

Even if I do hit the flop, 9/10 I'll be smashed. I save myself a big bet.

Yeah, wow.

That's seriously not even close.

Again, I fold AJ there.

 

[Borgsta]

The guy also raised 25 UTG so he is probably very strong.

Oh and the squeeze play really won't work on the 1/2 tables.

 

[Falchoon]

The guy also raised 25 UTG so he is probably very strong.

Oh and the squeeze play really won't work on the 1/2 tables.

best I've seen is 5 all ins at once

 

[Borgsta]

My mate today got 2 ppl to go all in pre flop. he had QQ, the others had KJ not suited and A9 not suited. A9 won......

 

[Armwarmer]

The guy also raised 25 UTG so he is probably very strong.

Oh and the squeeze play really won't work on the 1/2 tables.

Yea, with a 25 dollar bet it not the time to make a move.

I never advocated playing KQ in this situation though, just that if you are going to play it with a preflop raise and multiple callers, I'd rather reraise and try to squeeze players out to get myself heads up, rather than simply call with 3-4 players seeing a flop that even if you hit, you can't really commit to.