Queensland premier: junior AFL participation ouststipps RL junior participation!

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"Based on available figures, junior participation in AFL in Queensland has already outstripped junior participation in rugby league."
interesting, some of you Rugby League fans have been saying Aussie Rules is in trouble, that Rugby League has no threat at all, from Soccer and in particular AR.

It seems Aussie Rules is travelling fine at grassroots level. :thumbsu:

Im not saying the article would be 100% accurate but you can't say the AFL has made massive inroads in Queensland...
 

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Im not saying the article would be 100% accurate but you can't say the AFL has made massive inroads in Queensland...
Bit obvious why he said that.

He knows how big the NRL Grand Final would be to QLD... saying that rugby league is under threat by AFL is an obvious ploy to get the grand final to Brisbane ASAP.

When Melbourne Storm win three premierships... RL will be making massive inroads in Victoria ;)
 

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Bit obvious why he said that.

He knows how big the NRL Grand Final would be to QLD... saying that rugby league is under threat by AFL is an obvious ploy to get the grand final to Brisbane ASAP.

When Melbourne Storm win three premierships... RL will be making massive inroads in Victoria ;)
I thout the Storm crowds dropped after there first premiership or something. :confused: Don't get me wrong, i have no problems with the storm, i follow them through the papers and media and would like to get out and watch them play sometime (in fact i was going to go to a match last year but i got called in to work), it's just don't expect RL to become Melbournes no.1 sport or even close anytime soon!

It sounded more like sour grapes from the premier to me. he is probably a passionate League supporter and is sick of Sydney keeping the NRL to themselves...

It's a big problem for the NRL as they try as hard as they can to confine it to NSW, which is an unstablle market at the moment, with AFL trying to move in and an even bigger worry, Soccer...

You see poeple from NSW and Queensland don't understand the current situation in Victoria, SA and WA, sure we all support the socceroos, but generally soccer fans like AR and AR fans like soccer (been like this for quite a while). You see AR fans kicking soccer balls around, and also Soccer fans kicking footballs around. Of course you get the stubborn AFL supporters that won't accept soccer and also stubborn Soccer fans that dislike AR...if soccer becomes the number 1 sport in this country, our sporting culture will be much like Irelands, soccer no.1, Gaelic No.2 (replace Gaelic with AR though). Im not sure if Sydney sport culture is similar to this? if not lookout!

The AFL and NRL have the luxury of having the elite players representing there competitions, which Soccer won't have in this country, which is probably what is holding it back a little at domestic level...
 

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The troll is back I see... The Qld premier is just being a politician and hand-picked some stats to form an argument


Victoria has never really had any other sport start to invest and develop in a big way down there.... RU, RL and soccer are now beginning to do that and will continue to do so over the next few decades as the money starts to flow in..

I suspect the NRL GF will move around after the current deal with NSW is up... it will no doubt go to Brisbane and melbourne many times.... if the AFL GF is in the MCG until 2030 (as I've been told on here), then the NRL GF will be moving around the country for 20 years before the AFL GF finally moves from the MCG.

That's 2 decades of advantage for the NRL in the marketplace... creating a sense of ownerhip and belonging with the GF across a few cities.

Soccer has always been big in Sydney... it's bigger than RU. Has been for a while.
 

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If we judged the strength of every sport based on junior participation, then AR and RL would both be minnows compared to soccer, and our national sport would be swimming.

Parents ("soccer moms" in American terms) put their kids into soccer because the view it as safer, but I wonder how dangerous any contact sport could be at under 12 level.


The funny thing is that if they play soccer, they're going to smack a heavy, wet ball with their head. :confused: (And little kids usually have no idea how to do it properly.)
 

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Bit obvious why he said that.

He knows how big the NRL Grand Final would be to QLD... saying that rugby league is under threat by AFL is an obvious ploy to get the grand final to Brisbane ASAP.
Though I agree with you, It's still an odd thing to say considering their is another 3 cities in front of Brisbane who would be more likely to get the AFL GF.

I guess we will just have to see how accurate these comments are when the up coming census results are out (it's this year isn't it?)
 

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If Beattie wants the NRL grand final then there is a simple solution..

Offer more money than the NSW government does to hold it...

Your not going to get one of the countries biggest sporting events for nothing mate...
 

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Victoria has never really had any other sport start to invest and develop in a big way down there.... RU, RL and soccer are now beginning to do that and will continue to do so over the next few decades as the money starts to flow in..
Soccer has been the AFL competeter for some time now, the AFL wouldn't care about RL and RU at this stage!

Victoria for the moment, and IMO will be for a long time be a 2 code state, AR and soccer with RL a distant 3rd, you don't understand, It's AR and soccer here! NRL never, ever, ever, gets a mention at schools, apart from NSW and Queensland expats...

Soccer will continue to be the most participated sport and AR will be the most spectated sport for some time one would think...
 

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Soccer has been the AFL competeter for some time now, the AFL wouldn't care about RL and RU at this stage!

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if that's what you think then you will soon have to redefine "competition"... over the next 5 to 10 years RL, RU and soccer will invest more in Victoria than ever before...
 

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And when they do the AFL might start to care. Its very hard to see league in particular ever really becoming a major sport in Melbourne though. Rugby could become almost mainstream, due to having a greater international presence. Neither will threaten AF, nor will AF threaten league or rugby in NSW and Qld. At least, not within any sort of reasonable timeframe.

Gains will be made by each code in "hostile" territory. At this stage the rugby codes have a way to go in Vic/SA/WA to make up for the ground already made by AF in NSW and Qld (which isn't as big as many of us with an AF background like to believe but is still much more significant than anything yet done by the rugby codes in AF states).
 

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And when they do the AFL might start to care. Its very hard to see league in particular ever really becoming a major sport in Melbourne though. Rugby could become almost mainstream, due to having a greater international presence. Neither will threaten AF, nor will AF threaten league or rugby in NSW and Qld.
State of origin 1 outrated the recent wallabies test on melbourne TV despite the walabies being shown live and earlier in the evening.... the crowd for SOO 3 will be probably be higher than the crowd for the coming Wallabies Vs Englnd match at the same venue which is yet to sell-out....

RL has also become a recognised school sport in Victoria and as a consequence some universities have now included RL in their teaching subjects.. for example recenty 24 secondary school health and PE students and 64 primary education teachers have been involved in coaching programs as part of their tertiary studies at the Australian Catholic University.. The Melbounre Storm Development team have also , just this year, put 180 current and future teachers through RL coaching courses... this is all just the beginning of what is to come.


If you think international presence is what makes a sport popular... explain AFL.

Some AFL folk are just starting to care: http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=268572

"While we have a strong immigration policy and that's going to last for a long time - let's face it - and they don't come from countries that play Australian Rules Football, they come from rugby and they come from soccer, so the influence is going to get bigger and bigger and bigger
 

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http://au.sports.yahoo.com/060607/2/qudl.html



interesting, some of you Rugby League fans have been saying Aussie Rules is in trouble, that Rugby League has no threat at all, from Soccer and in particular AR.

It seems Aussie Rules is travelling fine at grassroots level. :thumbsu:

Im not saying the article would be 100% accurate but you can't say the AFL has made massive inroads in Queensland...
A POLITICIANS WORD CAN BE TAKEN TO THE BANK CAN'T IT ????? :eek:

Gullible comes to mind when reading that post and how you took it hook, line and sinker. :eek:

Secondly, I don't think anyone has said AFL is in trouble as that is obviously not the case.
 

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State of origin 1 outrated the recent wallabies test on melbourne TV despite the walabies being shown live and earlier in the evening.... the crowd for SOO 3 will be probably be higher than the crowd for the coming Wallabies Vs Englnd match at the same venue which is yet to sell-out....
Origin is different, and not necessarily indicative of the code's overall support in Melbourne. If Victoria had a Super14 team, I'm positive they would get larger crowds than the Storm - even if they played at Olympic Park.


If you think international presence is what makes a sport popular... explain AFL.
Australian Football is a homegrown sport, the traditional sport of four states with roots that go back a long time before TV and the presence of huge marketing pressures became important. The AFL (but not so much Australian Football in general) has made inroads into NSW and and Qld through a combination of marketing, interstate migration, the super league war, and rigging the competition a little in favour of Brisbane and Sydney.
Its also a very different sport to either form of rugby, whereas for us outsiders there is (pyschologically) little difference between the two (which is why they are often both referred to simply as "rugby" in Vic/SA/WA - and not referred to at all in Tas, I don't think I even heard the word rugby until I was 17 or 18). In those circumstances the greater international presence of union over league does give that code an edge.
The one advantage league has, is that it has free to air coverage on a more regular basis (albeit at midnight in AF states) and therefore can reach a wider audience to the uninitiated (like myself) that way.
 

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Origin is different, and not necessarily indicative of the code's overall support in Melbourne. If Victoria had a Super14 team, I'm positive they would get larger crowds than the Storm - even if they played at Olympic Park.
I think you miss the point.... I was comparing SOO with a full Wallabies test match against England.... Not one team in the SOO represented melbourne or Victoria... The wallabies represent every aussie (like it or not).


You've offered no explanation other than implying RU is more popular... which isn't really an explanation at all.
 

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Origin is different, and not necessarily indicative of the code's overall support in Melbourne. If Victoria had a Super14 team, I'm positive they would get larger crowds than the Storm - even if they played at Olympic Park.




Australian Football is a homegrown sport, the traditional sport of four states with roots that go back a long time before TV and the presence of huge marketing pressures became important. The AFL (but not so much Australian Football in general) has made inroads into NSW and and Qld through a combination of marketing, interstate migration, the super league war, and rigging the competition a little in favour of Brisbane and Sydney.
Its also a very different sport to either form of rugby, whereas for us outsiders there is (pyschologically) little difference between the two (which is why they are often both referred to simply as "rugby" in Vic/SA/WA - and not referred to at all in Tas, I don't think I even heard the word rugby until I was 17 or 18). In those circumstances the greater international presence of union over league does give that code an edge.
The one advantage league has, is that it has free to air coverage on a more regular basis (albeit at midnight in AF states) and therefore can reach a wider audience to the uninitiated (like myself) that way.





The problem union has in Australia is that it has no depth. If another Super12/14/15 team was placed in Melbourne it would competitively hopeless. I mean really hopeless.

Union's international aspect is hardly mammoth. The only have two more competitive nations than RL & about 4 or 5 others that can put a decent games until half-time (& even win occasionally) whereas RL has two in that category, France & PNG.


Small AF Playing numbers

Anyway a recent survey of junior participation rates of the various football codes of an area north of the Brisbane river that included the Pine Rivers, Caboolture & Redcliffe local government areas (Australia's fastest growing population region) had soccer participation at about 8,500 juniors, RL 6,500, Union 4,500 (included their schools) & AF at 1250.

I think the Queensland Premier is including AusKick numbers.

The Lions TV ratings have plumeted this year & it's home crowd average has fallen behind that of the Broncos. So it is not all boom for AF in Queensland.
 
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