Question re: Luke ball

[LeonDavies21]

with the fact that he really wants to play for us, why cant he make a stand and simply say no to all the other clubs, and if that doesnt work, why cant his manager make a ridiculous contract offer to scare everyone off!

im pretty sure a team wouldnt want to waste millions of dollars with someone who doesnt want be there??

 

[Chris_2593]

I was thinking the same thing cant he just say no to every club untill Collingwood decide to pick him up?

 

[Dundalis]

If he really wants to play for Collingwood I imagine he would. I still think he's a decent chance to play for us, but it requires him to be adament about not playing for any other club. If he shows some leniency towards playing for someone else, then I certainly expect him to be gone before our pick.

Teams I don't think will pick players that make it known their disinterest in playing for the club, because not only do they lose a potential 10-12 year 18 year old, but it's bad PR for their fans picking someone whom it is known doesn't want to play for them. Not to mention the message it sends to the rest of the playing group.

I'd say the ball in where he ends up could very much rest in Ball's court.

 

[greenred]

Draft tampering. Look up Brett Chalmers for an idea of the view the AFL takes of such things.

 

[ExodusAU]

Draft tampering. Look up Brett Chalmers for an idea of the view the AFL takes of such things.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-394231.html

 

[mattys123]

Who's Luke Ball?

Seriously, enough of the Luke Ball talk, we tried, we couldn't get him, and we aren't going to get him any time soon.

We are using pick 30 on a kid, that has all but been confirmed by Eddie's comments since trade week.

I care about Luke Ball as much as I care about the other 600 + players who won't be on Collingwood's list next year.

 

[XPISTO]

I disagree mattys123... Why would we use pick 30 on a 'speculative' at best kid in this years draft when we could get a 'proven' 25 year old who fits one of our deficiencies... I didn't hear what Eddie has said since trade week, but notwithstanding this I can't see why we wouldn't take Luke if he's still available at 30.

Again, I also don't know what the rules are around a player doing what the OP suggested. But I again can't see any team taking somebody they know doesn't wanna play there over a kid who would prob have a lot more passion. I think we are still a big chance, but if it doesn't happen we lose nothing and gain a kid at pick 30. Not to mention JOLLY!!!!!

 

[shawthing09]

TRS made this point elsewhere but if we offered pick 30 and a player to get pick 25 to foward on to St Kilda for Luke Ball it would be absolute lunacy to then not use 30 if Ball is avalible considering we where going to give away more then that to get him via trade.

 

[Caj]

LOL you've got no hope of getting him. If he goes in the ND he won't last until pick 30, in the PSD he won't last until your pick.

And regardless of what financial demands he makes, Melbourne, Sydney, Essendon and Carlton would all be able to afford them and have picks before you

 

[Chander Bing]

If Essendon or someone else pick Ball, he has to do as he is told - as long as he gets his $$$$. Lots of delistings this year so many clubs need a Luke Ball type.

 

[Joe-time]

Who's Luke Ball?

Seriously, enough of the Luke Ball talk, we tried, we couldn't get him, and we aren't going to get him any time soon.

We are using pick 30 on a kid, that has all but been confirmed by Eddie's comments since trade week.

I care about Luke Ball as much as I care about the other 600 + players who won't be on Collingwood's list next year.

Yeah but mate, we were gonna trade pick 30 for him anyway, so in essence it is the same thing. If he's available, surely we would draft him.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

TRS made this point elsewhere but if we offered pick 30 and a player to get pick 25 to foward on to St Kilda for Luke Ball it would be absolute lunacy to then not use 30 if Ball is avalible considering we where going to give away more then that to get him via trade.

This makes sense.

I'm hopeful we'll still get him. We need a player like him. Hopefully he stays strong about wanting to play for the pies.

 

[Swan4Brownlow]

LOL you've got no hope of getting him. If he goes in the ND he won't last until pick 30, in the PSD he won't last until your pick.

And regardless of what financial demands he makes, Melbourne, Sydney, Essendon and Carlton would all be able to afford them and have picks before you

If Sydney use pick 6 or 14 on him theyre idiots, need to rebuild properly or theyl be down in the dumps for a LONG time to come, so for ur sake i hope you go for youth

If Carlton use pick 12 on him theyre idiots, they have Brock Mclean

Melbourne could use 18 but have stated they wont

Essendon could use 26, already have Watson, Prismall, their game is based around electrifying speed, would they want to Luke Ball to come into their lineup at the expense of a speedster? Unknown

 

[Dundalis]

Draft tampering. Look up Brett Chalmers for an idea of the view the AFL takes of such things.

I wonder how the AFL could justify penalising someone today whom made it clear to clubs interviewing him that he did not want to play for them. Regardless of whether it is made clear he wants to play for a certain club or not. That goes beyond restraint of trade, to something approaching a form of communism.

You play where you are told, and you like it. Wonder how well that would go down if challenged in court.

Bottom line is there is a chance we could get him, but it relies completely on Ball informing other clubs he has no wish to play for them. As I've said before he doesn't have to make it clear he wants to play for Collingwood, though it may be obvious, he could just tell all the clubs that contact him bar Collingwood that he is not interested. I can't see how the AFL could penalise him without approaching what I mentioned above.

 

[King Woodie]

Why would he do this?

He walks if he gets drafted by someone else? And loses 350k a year? He won't say "I will only play for Collingwood" because he wouldn't have to go through with not playing if he gets drafted by someone else. And other clubs know this and therefore would be willing to add him to their list.

In my opinion, if he is available at pick 30, he will get taken by us (we clearly rated him better than anyone outside the 25 at least).

 

[Dundalis]

Why would he do this?

He walks if he gets drafted by someone else? And loses 350k a year? He won't say "I will only play for Collingwood" because he wouldn't have to go through with not playing if he gets drafted by someone else. And other clubs know this and therefore would be willing to add him to their list.

In my opinion, if he is available at pick 30, he will get taken by us (we clearly rated him better than anyone outside the 25 at least).

He won't say he would walk, that's ridiculous. What he can say is that he is not interested in playing for a certain club. I would expect any club interested in taking him would put out feelers and try and contact Ball to gauge his interest.

IMO a club you would believe would think twice about drafting a player with a relatively high pick that wasn't commited to playing for them, particularly if the rejection becomes public as then it also becomes a PR excercise. Supporters of the club I would think, would rather their club pick up a young promising player whom is eager, than a 25 year old with some injury issues whom has no interest in playing for their club. Of course he would play for whomever picked him, and likely stay there, but declaring his lack of interest should provide some deterrent to clubs interested in taking him before our pick.

 

[twoforjoy]

he could just act like a twat when other clubs interview him and put them off picking him

 

[MAGP1ES]

Who's Luke Ball?

Seriously, enough of the Luke Ball talk, we tried, we couldn't get him...We are using pick 30 on a kid, that has all but been confirmed by Eddie's comments since trade week.

I care about Luke Ball as much as I care about the other 600 + players who won't be on Collingwood's list next year.

+1

 

[Teak_Pies]

+1

+2 we had our chance and failed now lets move on

 

[King Woodie]

He won't say he would walk, that's ridiculous. What he can say is that he is not interested in playing for a certain club. I would expect any club interested in taking him would put out feelers and try and contact Ball to gauge his interest.

IMO a club you would believe would think twice about drafting a player with a relatively high pick that wasn't commited to playing for them, particularly if the rejection becomes public as then it also becomes a PR excercise. Supporters of the club I would think, would rather their club pick up a young promising player whom is eager, than a 25 year old with some injury issues whom has no interest in playing for their club. Of course he would play for whomever picked him, and likely stay there, but declaring his lack of interest should provide some deterrent to clubs interested in taking him before our pick.

But that is what I am saying. If he says to a club "I am not interested in playing for you" and then they pick him up, they know that he will give it his all, because the alternative is to not play for them and miss out on 350k ish per year.

The club will know to call his bluff because he wouldn't walk out on his football career.

They would only pass him up if they thought there was a better prospect to be drafted from the rest of the players.

 

[Dundalis]

But that is what I am saying. If he says to a club "I am not interested in playing for you" and then they pick him up, they know that he will give it his all, because the alternative is to not play for them and miss out on 350k ish per year.

The club will know to call his bluff because he wouldn't walk out on his football career.

They would only pass him up if they thought there was a better prospect to be drafted from the rest of the players.

Well that depends. If Ball's disinterest in playing for the club becomes public, how do they handle the media backlash? If Collingwood were looking to draft a player like Ball that basically said he had no interest in playing for the club, I'd not want him to wear my teams guernsey. I'd prefer they draft a hungry young kid. Also the playing group, how do they feel about the club bringing in someone whom declared had no interest in playing for them? There would be a few more issues than that I would have thought.

Also I mentioned in another thread that Ball could put a 1 year contract only on his head. Without making any other comments that might be construed as draft tampering, it would give clubs a lot more to think about in terms of spending a top 30 pick on him then potentially losing him the following year.

 

[King Woodie]

Well that depends. If Ball's disinterest in playing for the club becomes public, how do they handle the media backlash? If Collingwood were looking to draft a player like Ball that basically said he had no interest in playing for the club, I'd not want him to wear my teams guernsey. I'd prefer they draft a hungry young kid. Also the playing group, how do they feel about the club bringing in someone whom declared had no interest in playing for them? There would be a few more issues than that I would have thought.

Also I mentioned in another thread that Ball could put a 1 year contract only on his head. Without making any other comments that might be construed as draft tampering, it would give clubs a lot more to think about in terms of spending a top 30 pick on him then potentially losing him the following year.

There wouldn't be media backlash, because Ball would give it everything he has (he is quality individual by all reports). There is far less risk of Ball getting to the club (that he "didn't want to play for") and just wallowing around. If this situation eventuated, I would be extremely surprised if when Ball is drafted by an club, he isn't in front of the media 25 minutes later in full new club kit, praising the future of the club and saying "how excited he is to be there". Once it comes down to a choice between playing for a club whom he may have stated he didn't want to join, and not playing AFL football, everyone knows he would give 100% to that club, becuase 350k jobs don't grow on trees.

But this won't happen, because Luke Ball won't come out and say he will only play for club A, because he knows that what I said in the above paragraph is exactly what would happen.

 

[Dundalis]

There wouldn't be media backlash, because Ball would give it everything he has (he is quality individual by all reports). There is far less risk of Ball getting to the club (that he "didn't want to play for") and just wallowing around. If this situation eventuated, I would be extremely surprised if when Ball is drafted by an club, he isn't in front of the media 25 minutes later in full new club kit, praising the future of the club and saying "how excited he is to be there". Once it comes down to a choice between playing for a club whom he may have stated he didn't want to join, and not playing AFL football, everyone knows he would give 100% to that club, becuase 350k jobs don't grow on trees.

But this won't happen, because Luke Ball won't come out and say he will only play for club A, because he knows that what I said in the above paragraph is exactly what would happen.

Really, because I was listening to SEN when the idea was bandied about on talkback and there were a few calls from Melbourne supporters whom were adamant that they weren't interested in the slightest in the club recruiting a player whom wasn't 100% committed to the club.

I'm quite sure Luke Ball would give 100% on the field once he arrived at an individual club. But I certainly wouldn't want our club to waste a relatively high draft pick on a player that doesn't want to be there, regardless of whether I know he will give 100% because of his 'character'.

And if it was made clear that Ball wasn't interested in playing for the club beforehand, do you honestly think he would come out 25 minutes after being drafted and declare the complete opposite? I would be very very sceptical as a supporter if that happened, and would be questioning him every step of the way. I think the playing group may as well, which wouldn't create a particularly good atmosphere.

 

[demon48]

he could just act like a twat when other clubs interview him and put them off picking him

Great idea! If he acted like a twat when all the clubs interview him, not only would no other club not want to pick him, but it'll make Collingwood want him even more.

 

[Pie eyed]

Great idea! If he acted like a twat when all the clubs interview him, not only would no other club not want to pick him, but it'll make Collingwood want him even more.

Turn up in a Collingwood Jacket and Tie.
They can't tell you how to dress.

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