Prediction R13: Changes vs Carlton

[Unique Name]

Whats the point bringing Sandi back before the bye?

Rebuild narrative exploding yet again. Give big Scotty Jones a run of games to find his feet.

Sandi isn't going to be around next season - It is now pointless.

This is why the club appears to be a circus to some from the outside.

Because we want to win games.

Nothing wrong with having Sandi and Mundy playing. They more than pull their own weight and are a net positive to the side.

It was the older players that were barely winning their own positions let only helping out the youth that were the issue.

 

[tonygeeks]

A freshened up Sandi , Fyfe should help but a young side coming off a big win , 2 of the harder decks in the comp back / back and probably looking for the bye against a rested , hungry battling side playing at home has a Brisbane last year vibe to it

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[Fyfster]

Sandi has had 2 weeks off anyway he plays one and has another off , Not a massive workload , Sometimes you can go too far the other way and have too much time off and lose condition .

 

[StingBitten]

One weakness is we’ve lost Alex Pearce and haven’t replaced him st all.

Hamling, Kersten, Nyhuis, Wilson, Ryan, Hill - we’re looking dreadfully short down there.

 

[yakamoto]

Jeez! If Jones is part of our rebuild we are going nowhere. Sandi plays until Darcy is match ready. Then he can finish off at Peel with DP and MJ.

 

[TheLastCall]

Jeez! If Jones is part of our rebuild we are going nowhere. Sandi plays until Darcy is match ready. Then he can finish off at Peel with DP and MJ.

To be honest we have one too many rucks. Jones is a mature, but with less potential than Darcey, Apeness, Meeks and Strnadica.

He useful now, but with the other 4 and Sandi still going strong I'd be surprised if he last more than one year. I hope he proves me wrong.

 

[Vintage]

Jeez! If Jones is part of our rebuild we are going nowhere. Sandi plays until Darcy is match ready. Then he can finish off at Peel with DP and MJ.

But he’s younger than Sandi. YOUNGER!!

 

[holy diver]

Because we want to win games.

Nothing wrong with having Sandi and Mundy playing. They more than pull their own weight and are a net positive to the side.

It was the older players that were barely winning their own positions let only helping out the youth that were the issue.

The club states one thing then does another.

Blind faith in the club's foot department doesn't change the fact it is pointless playing Sandi at this point. He drops more marks than he takes and gets sharked more often by the opposition from his clearance tap work.

Sandi has been a wonderful servant of the club but it really is time now to be ruthless and embrace the rebuild. Sandi is in decline and will not be around when for the next serious finals challenge. Put games into those who possibly will be

For the side to grow it is more important to go through our ruck stocks and see who will actually be there in a few years when the club challenges again for a flag. Scott Jones at least deserves a run of games especially as a mature age recruit to see if he can cut it.

 

[holy diver]

Sandy I'm sure would like to play in Fyfes 150th and deserves the right to do so. . Also Sandy is good enough to go around again and probably will.

I disagree. Sentimentality won't forward the club into the future. It will be terrible list management if he goes around again. That said I'm sure he would love to play his mates 150th - who wouldn't.

The club needs to be ruthless. North are a good example and look how they've accelerated their rebuild.

 

[Joao]

I disagree. Sentimentality won't forward the club into the future. It will be terrible list management if he goes around again. That said I'm sure he would love to play his mates 150th - who wouldn't.

The club needs to be ruthless. North are a good example and look how they've accelerated their rebuild.

I don't disagree with Sandi not going on but I disagree North have accelerated their rebuild. They play on average the 5th oldest team this year. The squad may be young but the team isn't. They are not accelerating anything.

 

[UYD 4 Life]

I disagree. Sentimentality won't forward the club into the future. It will be terrible list management if he goes around again. That said I'm sure he would love to play his mates 150th - who wouldn't.

The club needs to be ruthless. North are a good example and look how they've accelerated their rebuild.

goldstein plays ahead of pruess
Waite plays ahead of mckay
thompson plays ahead of durdin

 

[Sully90]

The club states one thing then does another.

Blind faith in the club's foot department doesn't change the fact it is pointless playing Sandi at this point. He drops more marks than he takes and gets sharked more often by the opposition from his clearance tap work.

Sandi has been a wonderful servant of the club but it really is time now to be ruthless and embrace the rebuild. Sandi is in decline and will not be around when for the next serious finals challenge. Put games into those who possibly will be

For the side to grow it is more important to go through our ruck stocks and see who will actually be there in a few years when the club challenges again for a flag. Scott Jones at least deserves a run of games especially as a mature age recruit to see if he can cut it.

A rebuild doesn't mean playing all the kids all the time. There are still 7 or so players under 30 games out there including one of our younger ruckmen in Apeness.

 

[Joao]

A rebuild doesn't mean playing all the kids all the time. There are still 7 or so players under 30 games out there including one of our younger ruckmen in Apeness.

I'm happy for Sandi to play out the year. I don't think he should go on though.

 

[Sully90]

I'm happy for Sandi to play out the year. I don't think he should go on though.

Depends on what Jones, Meek, Apeness, and Darcy show for the rest of the year. He's been essential so far

 

[FreoMonocle]

I disagree. Sentimentality won't forward the club into the future. It will be terrible list management if he goes around again. That said I'm sure he would love to play his mates 150th - who wouldn't.

The club needs to be ruthless. North are a good example and look how they've accelerated their rebuild.

Hesitant to post as there's been a bit of a stacks on, so sorry about 1 more at it...

I disagree with your point, because we are developing the entire team, not just the player (e.g. Jones). The stronger we are at the ruck, the better the whole stack of other yoof can develop. If you don't get the ball, how do you practice threading the eye of the needle with your passes, through high congestion and pressure amongst other things?

Jones needs to do a bit more work yet - and yes, he and the other rucks need AFL time to develop, but as much as anything it's an AFL level fitness base that needs developing for them and not just skills.

 

[Joao]

Depends on what Jones, Meek, Apeness, and Darcy show for the rest of the year. He's been essential so far

Not to me, I don't care what they show (unless it is dreadful and they are all delisted). Sandi can't play forever and there is a massive structural difference between him rucking and anyone else rucking. We need to get used to the latter.

Not disputing that he is still miles better than all of them though. We need to prioritise development so those guys are ready to compete in finals after Sandi is gone. The only way for them to do that is to play.

 

[Tbonefreo]

The club states one thing then does another.

Blind faith in the club's foot department doesn't change the fact it is pointless playing Sandi at this point. He drops more marks than he takes and gets sharked more often by the opposition from his clearance tap work.

Sandi has been a wonderful servant of the club but it really is time now to be ruthless and embrace the rebuild. Sandi is in decline and will not be around when for the next serious finals challenge. Put games into those who possibly will be

For the side to grow it is more important to go through our ruck stocks and see who will actually be there in a few years when the club challenges again for a flag. Scott Jones at least deserves a run of games especially as a mature age recruit to see if he can cut it.

You want Sandi playing peel and jones in the afl?

 

[theGav56]

Not to me, I don't care what they show (unless it is dreadful and they are all delisted). Sandi can't play forever and there is a massive structural difference between him rucking and anyone else rucking. We need to get used to the latter.

Not disputing that he is still miles better than all of them though. We need to prioritise development so those guys are ready to compete in finals after Sandi is gone. The only way for them to do that is to play.

The structural importance of Sandilands is interesting. Once he is gone we may need to enhance our clearance brigade.

 

[FreoRicci]

Depends on what Jones, Meek, Apeness, and Darcy show for the rest of the year. He's been essential so far

Apeness has been a nice surprise. Great for his development. I mean if Darcy and Apeness can get regular games, then the future bodes well. Along with Strandica, who can develop nicely and not rush him.
Suddenly we have some handy talls- Tabs, Apeness, Nads, Darcy. Jones as depth.

Apeness as ruck/forward, Darcy ruck, Tabs CHF. Structurally will go alon way. Perhaps might see it after the bye

 

[Son of a Wizard]

It’s easy - Sandi plays until he is no longer the in form # 1 ruck. End of story.


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[holy diver]

I don't disagree with Sandi not going on but I disagree North have accelerated their rebuild. They play on average the 5th oldest team this year. The squad may be young but the team isn't. They are not accelerating anything.

They moved on a lot of veterans a few years back. They have embraced the need to blood players more so than Freo.

A rebuild doesn't mean playing all the kids all the time.

I never made any such assertion so I don't see the need for the condescending explanation. My point stands that playing Sandi now is aimless. I'm very glad to see old mate Dave Mundy still going around.

Hesitant to post as there's been a bit of a stacks on, so sorry about 1 more at it...

I disagree with your point, because we are developing the entire team, not just the player (e.g. Jones). The stronger we are at the ruck, the better the whole stack of other yoof can develop. If you don't get the ball, how do you practice threading the eye of the needle with your passes, through high congestion and pressure amongst other things?

Jones needs to do a bit more work yet - and yes, he and the other rucks need AFL time to develop, but as much as anything it's an AFL level fitness base that needs developing for them and not just skills.

No argument that Jones, Apeness, Darcy (when the club gets him back from injury) are still developing the atributes you have mentioned for AFL - but getting game time into them is way more valuable than playing Sandi these days.

I love Sandi - long time servant of the club - however he is in twilight of his career. As I said he drops more marks than he takes these days plus his tap dominance doesn't always translate to clearance domination as the opposition can shark off him. I firmly believe we should be playing the developing rucks.

 

[kp junior]

Sandi playing means Apeness gets experience in his correct position as 2nd ruck/forward, rather Than being the number 1 ruck


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[TheMcManusNose]

I disagree. Sentimentality won't forward the club into the future. It will be terrible list management if he goes around again. That said I'm sure he would love to play his mates 150th - who wouldn't.

The club needs to be ruthless. North are a good example and look how they've accelerated their rebuild.

North is a direct contradiction of what you are saying. They have been trotting out an older side consistently this year, amongst the oldest in the league on some weeks.

Additionally they're currently playing Goldstein over Preuss.

Sandi in is obviously an advantage to us which directly nullifies one of Carlton's best players. It is far more important that we actually continue to remain competitive in games like this. Not only for player experience but player retention.

 

[Joao]

It’s easy - Sandi plays until he is no longer the in form # 1 ruck. End of story.


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Disagree. He shouldn't stay ahead of Darcy after this year. There is no other way to properly develop Sean as a number 1 ruck other than to play him as the number 1 ruck.

They moved on a lot of veterans a few years back. They have embraced the need to blood players more so than Freo.

North's side last week

Age 25yr 5mth
Games Average 97.1

Less than 50 7
50 to 99 6
100 to 149 3
150 or more 6

Ours this week

Age 24yr 5mth
Games Average 82.0

Less than 50 11
50 to 99 4
100 to 149 2
150 or more 5

So in summary:
- We are a year younger
- 15 games less experienced
- have 4 more players below 50 games
- 1 Less above 149
- We have the equal most debutants this season at 7 compared to North's 3
- Debutants have played well over 50 total games for us as opposed to 8 games for North

Explain to me how 4 players retiring invalidates the above.

 

[Frank J Moose]

North last week. Average age 25.7.(This week Freo 24.5) under 50 games North 7. Freo 11. Over 150 games North 6 Freo 5 and we bough 3 in this week.

Nort are playing 0 first year draftees.