Preview R16: Changes v Carlton

[marty36]

That's a good point, we've given very few players afl exposure this year

That's because we have had zero injuries we have had form and not needed to we have played 27 players, that's incredible and probably 90% the reason we are where we are. Not only injury but the majority of players have form at some stage of the season even your mate Mackay.

If it ain't broken don't fix it!

 

[GreyCrow]

Add Henderson , Van Berlo ( maybe not with injury) , Milera , Seedsman and maybe Otten and that's who I think will be added to the squad from yesterday

I should have listened to my own advice from Monday. But no come Thursday and I am spruiking Kelly

That's because we have had zero injuries we have had form and not needed to we have played 27 players, that's incredible and probably 90% the reason we are where we are. Not only injury but the majority of players have form at some stage of the season even your mate Mackay.

And it seems , barring a major catastrophe, that these are the 27 we are going with for finals. Nothing else would explain the absence of Wigg , Kelly etc

 

[marty36]

I should have listened to my own advice from Monday. But no come Thursday and I am spruiking Kelly



And it seems , barring a major catastrophe, that these are the 27 we are going with for finals. Nothing else would explain the absence of Wigg , Kelly etc

Going on the form this year CEY might even win the Magarey medal but with the way the A's are going he has hit his form in the wrong year. Unlucky I suppose but you aren't going to have a crack at selectors based on our results this year.

 

[Elite Crow]

That's because we have had zero injuries we have had form and not needed to we have played 27 players, that's incredible and probably 90% the reason we are where we are. Not only injury but the majority of players have form at some stage of the season even your mate Mackay.

If it ain't broken don't fix it!

That's why when we get an injury we shouldn't just keep rotating Henderson, that's an opportunity to give others a go.

You mean Last Quarter Mackay?

 

[GreyCrow]

Anyway my movie reference , for those who didn't spot it last week , is this classic from the 70s. For all those who have driven over and driving back sit back and enjoy





That's a big 10-4 rubber ducky

 

[marty36]

That's why when we get an injury we shouldn't just keep rotating Henderson, that's an opportunity to give others a go.

You mean Last Quarter Mackay?

Henderson is capable, does a job, doesn't make a shit load of mistakes, holds his own. Try an unknown and what might happen, do you want to develop this year, personally we are in with an enormous chance, maintain this form and the only danger game being Geelong whom have the speed wobbles and who knows what can happen. The three other contenders in GWS and Sydney we have beaten. Hawthorn we lost to by less than a kick no thanks to some pretty dubious umpiring decisions.

I don't want to get carried away, but Hendo, VB, Ottens are probably the best replacements in the position we are in. If we were no chance I would agree about playing guys that need to develop.

 

[Elite Crow]

Henderson is capable, does a job, doesn't make a shit load of mistakes, holds his own. Try an unknown and what might happen, do you want to develop this year, personally we are in with an enormous chance, maintain this form and the only danger game being Geelong whom have the speed wobbles and who knows what can happen. The three other contenders in GWS and Sydney we have beaten. Hawthorn we lost to by less than a kick no thanks to some pretty dubious umpiring decisions.

I don't want to get carried away, but Hendo, VB, Ottens are probably the best replacements in the position we are in. If we were no chance I would agree about playing guys that need to develop.

If we get to the pointy end and cop a few injuries we will be left with no choice but to play some players who have had no AFL exposure this year.

If Kelly came in instead of Henderson we would have lost nothing.

 

[Vader]

That's a good point, we've given very few players afl exposure this year

Still only used 27 players, after 16 rounds.

 

[marty36]

If we get to the pointy end and cop a few injuries we will be left with no choice but to play some players who have had no AFL exposure this year.

If Kelly came in instead of Henderson we would have lost nothing.

True, but every single game from now on in as important as you can get, we lose one game it will cost us a top 4 maybe a top 2. If GWS and Sydney get top 2 how does that reduce our chances of making the GF.

Every game is so important no risks will be taken to see how these boys go at the top level, if they need to be thrown in the deep end they will but that will be unfortunate. With Seedsman, Ottens, VB and probably CEY out of the top 22 that's a fair bit of injury cover that wont need as much AFL readiness.

 

[1970crow]

That's a good point, we've given very few players afl exposure this year

Need to say that I'm very comfortable with Hendo playing on a wing or high half forward role. Having said that, if you're Jake Kelly and Hendo is ahead of you to replace an injured small defender, then you should be looking for another club or another career. Someone posted that a coach mentioned that Mackay is versatile and can play a number of positions. I'm wondering whether it might be him that goes back to cover Brown, Hendo plays pure outside and Dougie, Rat and CC do a little more of the just outside inside work that Mackay does. I know that Wayne's-World is not keen to see Mackay into a full time defensive rotation, even for a game or 2, but surely he's a better option that Hendo and Hendo is also better as a pure outside wingman.

Anyway, disappointing for Kelly. Bit like the opportunity missed when VB was selected against Gold Coast and Wigg went as travelling emergency.

 

[Jars458]

At training how exciting.

 

[1970crow]

True, but every single game from now on in as important as you can get, we lose one game it will cost us a top 4 maybe a top 2. If GWS and Sydney get top 2 how does that reduce our chances of making the GF.

Every game is so important no risks will be taken to see how these boys go at the top level, if they need to be thrown in the deep end they will but that will be unfortunate. With Seedsman, Ottens, VB and probably CEY out of the top 22 that's a fair bit of injury cover that wont need as much AFL readiness.

We know exactly what we get with Hendo in defence and it's probably not going to cut it against a top 4 side come finals time if we cop an injury. We know what we get with Mackay playing back there as well. This is the perfect game to give an in-form and fit youngster with only a handful of games another crack to see if he can provide a little more than the wingmen if a lock down replacement is required at the pointy end of the season. If the difference between what Kelly brings to Brown's role and what Hendo/Mackay bring, costs us the game against Carlton, then we're going nowhere anyway.

 

[marty36]

We know exactly what we get with Hendo in defence and it's probably not going to cut it against a top 4 side come finals time if we cop an injury. We know what we get with Mackay playing back there as well. This is the perfect game to give an in-form and fit youngster with only a handful of games another crack to see if he can provide a little more than the wingmen if a lock down replacement is required at the pointy end of the season. If the difference between what Kelly brings to Brown's role and what Hendo/Mackay bring, costs us the game against Carlton, then we're going nowhere anyway.

Think your undertating Henderson getting close to 100 games is used as a swingman can play most positions if required. Play him on a player, say top 4 team that has less than 50 games experience and I know who I would put my money on. Sydney had 4 players last night that debuted this year. He wont hold a stringer or Cyril or Gunston but that won't be his job. Every team has so so players whether they be top 4 or not bring in a player that has held his own and on a big occasion I think I would be more comfortable with VB , Ottens or hendo on these types of players that each team has!

 

[1970crow]

Think your undertating Henderson getting close to 100 games is used as a swingman can play most positions if required. Play him on a player, say top 4 team that has less than 50 games experience and I know who I would put my money on. Sydney had 4 players last night that debuted this year. He wont hold a stringer or Cyril or Gunston but that won't be his job. Every team has so so players whether they be top 4 or not bring in a player that has held his own and on a big occasion I think I would be more comfortable with VB , Ottens or hendo on these types of players that each team has!

I know where Hendo's at, that's the premise of the post and I'm not underating Hendo. I'm not talking about his ability to be a swingman, I think we've got shit tins of flexibility amongst the rest of the 21 anyway. The question is what would Kelly bring to Brown's lock down role, maybe a lot more, maybe a lot less, maybe about the same. Perfect opportunity to find out. Let's face it, he was pretty good for a debutante in the handful of games he played last year.

 

[simmo97]

Sunday 10 July
Summary

Min 7
Max 14
Rain. Becoming windy.
Possible rainfall: 2 to 8 mm
Chance of any rain: 80%

Melbourne area
Cloudy. High (80%) chance of rain from the late morning. Winds north to northeasterly 35 to 50 km/h.

 

[Carn The Texan]

I know where Hendo's at, that's the premise of the post and I'm not underating Hendo. I'm not talking about his ability to be a swingman, I think we've got shit tins of flexibility amongst the rest of the 21 anyway. The question is what would Kelly bring Brown's lock down role, maybe a lot more, maybe a lot less, maybe about the same. Perfect opportunity find out. Let's face it, he was pretty good for a debutante in the handful of games he played last year.

Came here to post the exact same thing. Kelly brings a better defensive mindset. Brown is a bigger loss than most other fans will realise. It's lucky Carlton's forward line isn't anywhere near as potent as it could be. From what we saw of Kelly last year, he's got some way to go but he played hard and that's what we needed to replace Brown. Hendo definitely does not replace Brown's skillset, and come September if we are needing harder man-on-man defenders to replace a Brown or a Lever if they are injured, better having guys like Kelly or Wigg with a game at the MCG under the belt, that's golden.

 

[1970crow]

Sunday 10 July
Summary

Min 7
Max 14
Rain. Becoming windy.
Possible rainfall: 2 to 8 mm
Chance of any rain: 80%

Melbourne area
Cloudy. High (80%) chance of rain from the late morning. Winds north to northeasterly 35 to 50 km/h.

Perfect weather to slow the game down a bit, reduce clean disposal chains, create more stoppages and for Thommo to return to better form. Expecting mid 20's touches and about a dozen tackles.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Who has noticed that THE SEED, THE RAT and BNM spend a lot of time deep in defence? (Mark Bickley thought THE SEED was a defender until THE SEED told him he plays almost exclusively as an outside mid).

I noticed this early in the season. The number of possessions Atkins and seed get in the back brocket is telling.

Clearly a part of the Maestroplan is to use our best disposers deep in defence to try and pierce the opposition press.

 

[jaytex]

I know where Hendo's at, that's the premise of the post and I'm not underating Hendo. I'm not talking about his ability to be a swingman, I think we've got shit tins of flexibility amongst the rest of the 21 anyway. The question is what would Kelly bring to Brown's lock down role, maybe a lot more, maybe a lot less, maybe about the same. Perfect opportunity to find out. Let's face it, he was pretty good for a debutante in the handful of games he played last year.

I agree entirely with your argument re. Kelly, it would have been a perfect opportunity to find out what he can do in Brown's role. The fact that The Don has gone for the more offensive Hendo instead tells me he is prioritizing having a real crack at boosting our percentage over trialling Kelly.

Jake is young, we'll have plenty of opportunity to explore his potential next year.

But the fact is, we have a real deadset chance of making a play for Top 4 or 2 this year; we have to throw everything we have at it; and blooding youngsters at this time of year falls down the list of priorities as a result.

 

[1970crow]

Hendo's other role has been as an attacking outside midfielder. Unfortunately for him in THE MAESTRO PLAN our outside mids have a more defensive role. Who has noticed that THE SEED, THE RAT and BNM spend a lot of time deep in defence? (Mark Bickley thought THE SEED was a defender until THE SEED told him he plays almost exclusively as an outside mid).

As someone who won't be seeing a live game until the last couple of rounds, I'm hoping you can help me out with the above. Are the players that you mentioned above setting up behind the ball at times or are they working deep into defence during play. I don't think there's anything revolutionary with mids and wingmen working back deep into defense during play, it's been happening for decades. Perhaps a bit new to us, where we have tended to allow our mids to leave the defenders to their own devices and hang around half back waiting for an easy possession on the way back out.

 

[mistylake]

Anyway my movie reference , for those who didn't spot it last week , is this classic from the 70s. For all those who have driven over and driving back sit back and enjoy



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That's a big 10-4 rubber ducky

Still my go to phrase of I need to say something trucky related.
Or hauling a load of manure (Hoges and Strop).

 

[1970crow]

I agree entirely with your argument re. Kelly, it would have been a perfect opportunity to find out what he can do in Brown's role. The fact that The Don has gone for the more offensive Hendo instead tells me he is prioritizing having a real crack at boosting our percentage over trialling Kelly.

Jake is young, we'll have plenty of opportunity to explore his potential next year.

But the fact is, we have a real deadset chance of making a play for Top 4 or 2 this year; we have to throw everything we have at it; and blooding youngsters at this time of year falls down the list of priorities as a result.

I don't see it as blooding, that happened last year and he was pretty good defensively. Another preseason under the belt and he's in form in the SANFL. I honestly can't see how there'd be much difference between him and whoever it is that replaces Brown's role. We can talk about attack all we like, but we still need defenders to actually defend to improve our percentage. So whoever it is, whether Dmac or Laird or anyone else, someone will have to defend who was otherwise going to be playing a bit more offensively.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I know where Hendo's at, that's the premise of the post and I'm not underating Hendo. I'm not talking about his ability to be a swingman, I think we've got shit tins of flexibility amongst the rest of the 21 anyway. The question is what would Kelly bring to Brown's lock down role, maybe a lot more, maybe a lot less, maybe about the same. Perfect opportunity to find out. Let's face it, he was pretty good for a debutante in the handful of games he played last year.

To me that's why Kelly is on the list as cover in brown and or Cheney like roles , therefore if Kelly is playing well at SANFL level and these roles pop up I don't see why he doesn't come in otherwise why is he there and what does his long term look like

We've seen hendo this year and we know he can play to a level , it would have been good to see Kelly at a very suitable role

 

[Cockwomble]

It comes down to who is the best fit to cover Brown's team role. Let's say Hendo is an opposition hf and Bull is our hb on Hendo, who would you put your money on to win the contest? Also leading up to finals you need a store of Afl ready players in case of injuries by rotating the same players I'm not sure some of our sanfl guys are getting Afl exposure. The sanfl games I've seen so far seem well of the pace n pressure of Afl. Just saying. .

 

[Kraven]

Think your undertating Henderson getting close to 100 games is used as a swingman can play most positions if required. Play him on a player, say top 4 team that has less than 50 games experience and I know who I would put my money on. Sydney had 4 players last night that debuted this year. He wont hold a stringer or Cyril or Gunston but that won't be his job. Every team has so so players whether they be top 4 or not bring in a player that has held his own and on a big occasion I think I would be more comfortable with VB , Ottens or hendo on these types of players that each team has!

Sorry couldn't help myself