Preview R9: Changes vs. Richmond

[Tex Danger]

Dawson isn’t actually that good an inside player.

Last year he averaged 4.4 clearances, and 9.6 CP while getting more inside time than any of the other mids. Those are career best numbers.

The thing that makes him standout is his ball use, and we diminish that by playing him so much on the inside. Were robbing Peter to pay Paul.

His games gassing Brisbane was the best one he’s played in awhile. He’d arguably be the best wingman in the game if we played him there.

Our ball movement is just as big a problem as our clearance game, and Dawson improves one more than the other.

Clearance is given to the 1st touch player

Not uncommon for Dawson to be the exit disposal from Stoppage for us but that’s not a clearance on The stat sheet if someone else hand balked it to him 1st

Dawsons clearance stats have always h devalued his stoppage value to us for that reason

Edit: I might add, if our system is working how we would like it (using dawsons skills) him having low clearance numbers is actually potentially a good sign

 

[Mattrox]

Fumbling Bastard

Strong username to post content ratio.

 

[cleanhands]

Strong username to post content ratio.

Sarcasm button

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

IF our selectors are smart, they would think the long game & manage some players this week... particularly those struggling with injury.

Big IF!

 

[CrowBloke]

Berry's offensive game has clearly improved but his defensive game has dropped

... ...
It depends if you see tackling (19 on Friday night) as a defensive act or not.

I do. It defends the ball from being moved forward by the Oppo.

 

[CrowBloke]

He could do it against a good team in a final.

IF we make Finals. IF.

IF he's selected, let's see what he does? He's better than he was last year.

 

[CrowBloke]

I dont think theyll be out to injure him as such

Not they.
He.
Xerri.
Xerri has a track record for getting his knees into opponents, as such, and it ain't to get height or protect himself.
Didn't he injure Rachele a coupla years back?
P.S. it was last year; 3 cracked ribs:

Crows gun learns severity of rib injury in blow

Crow Josh Rachele is set to be sidelined for at least a month after undergoing scans on his ribs

www.afl.com.au

 

[Mattrox]

IF our selectors are smart, they would think the long game & manage some players this week... particularly those struggling with injury.

Big IF!

Thinking through a 9 day break. McAndrew may not need a rest.

Thilly however I think could use a week off.

 

[Cyclonus]

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It depends if you see tackling (19 on Friday night) as a defensive act or not.

I do. It defends the ball from being moved forward by the Oppo.

It's more that in 2022 he had 171 tackles and has never come close to that again. He gets the ball more though which means he wins contests rather than being second to the ball and in a position to tackle. If he can have a balanced game like the Showdown more often he will be an important player.

 

[Gtowncrow]

He wasn't BOG. That was Milera or Aliir Aliir.
He had many fumbles, i just highlighted an example. If you're being genuine you know there were many fumbles, and many turnovers.

And yes - that's how momentum works.

The medal says he was best on.

I tend to agree.

Milera...dead unlucky.
Alir... Beat his man but didn't change the result unlike Berry and Milera.

 

[Gtowncrow]

Watch him. He is regularly second to the ball. Not that I would like to pushing the same opinion as Waynker.

I think it's unreasonable to expect him to lead to the ball more often than the million dollar Port boys. But when they did get there first, how many times did he equalise the situation....oh about 19.

Berry was great and deserves credit for an effort which we haven't displayed this year as a team. Tenacious. Determined. Ruthless. Relentless. Barely anyone could hold their head high.

We need his game to reset the bar for everyone from now on. I liked it as part of our DNA.

 

[latinoheat]

Serious question, not a trap --- you'd retain Bond ahead of Borlase?

Yeah I know a lot of people here don’t rate the kid, but I’d keep bond as a tagged/run with type .

 

[CrowBloke]

WaynesWorld19 said:

" CrowBloke looking at Berry's stats is a fundamental problem .....looking at 19 tackles as a stat is one dimensional .....".
Which was it, WW? Stats, or a stat?
In trying to prove yourself right, you've contradicted yourself.

I looked at his whole game, even conceding that, yes, he had some fumbles which occurred in congestion when under pressure, which all players do.
Billy_01 posted (EDIT, #284, not #326) a very good clip of some of his Berry's work . Did you watch that, or prefer not to because it does not confirm your anti-Berry stance?
Every single person who voted for the Showdown Medal had Berry in their votes. Scorpus is adamant they're wrong but he's right.

Somebody else posted that Berry had 38 [edited] more oigle-points (I've forgotten what they're called) than the next player on the field. On the night that means:
Berry
then daylight
then everybody else.
Berry doesn't have Rankine's razzle-dazzle, Rachele's brilliant trickery, Cook's excellent delivery or Tex's freakish ambidextrous kicking.
What he does have is toughness, determination, grit, run-and-carry, gut-busting-Team-dedication
oh,
and Friday night's Showdown Medal which he earned in try-and-try-again workhorse fashion.

You're in no position to dump on Berry, WaynesWorld19 . You're not worthy; you're not worthy.


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The 700m gained as well as the 19 tackles, is not one-dimensional stats!

Thank you . But it was more than that, too.

For all his Nicks-loving blather, WW is unable to celebrate Berry's break-out game and Scorpus,
well,
Scorpus has provided some incisive analysis at times, but this time I reckon he was just stirring the pot playing Devil's Advocate . Got plenty of attention for it, too.

 

[cleanhands]

WaynesWorld19 said:

" CrowBloke looking at Berry's stats is a fundamental problem .....looking at 19 tackles as a stat is one dimensional .....".
Which was it, WW? Stats, or a stat?
In trying to prove yourself right, you've contradicted yourself.

I looked at his whole game, even conceding that, yes, he had some fumbles which occurred in congestion when under pressure, which all players do.
Billy_01 posted (#326) a very good clip of some of his Berry's work . Did you watch that, or prefer not to because it does not confirm your anti-Berry stance?
Every single person who voted for the Showdown Medal had Berry in their votes. Scorpus is adamant they're wrong and he's right.

Somebody else posted that Berry had 48 more oigle-points (I've forgotten what they're called) than the next player on the field. On the night that means:
Berry
then daylight
then everybody else.
Berry doesn't have Rankine's razzle-dazzle, Rachele's brilliant trickery, Cook's excellent delivery or Tex's freakish ambidextrous kicking.
What he does have is toughness, determination, grit, run-and-carry, gut-busting-Team-dedication
oh,
and Friday night's Showdown Medal which he earned in try-and-try-again workhorse fashion.

You're in no position to dump on Berry, WaynesWorld19 . You're not worthy; you're not worthy.
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Thank you . But it was more than that, too.

For all his Nicks-loving blather, WW is unable to celebrate Berry's break-out game and Scorpus,
well,
Scorpus has provided some incisive analysis at times, but this time I reckon he was just stirring the pot playing Devil's Advocate . Got plenty of attention for it, too.

It’s like some are disappointed with Berrys game

 

[CrowBloke]

Just watch the replay .....Berry for the most blazes away, similar to Laird .....and when pressured, panic disposes of the ball, often to dangerous parts of the ground

No need to watch the whole replay.
Watch the Billy_01 post of Vardy Magic's compilation of Berry (post #284, please note not #328 as I said before, apologies).
Not a lot of panic in there.

 

[CrowBloke]

The positive is Berry just turned 24. Watch the presser after the game and he says he is just starting to have the confidence that he belongs at afl level

This!!
With young players what's happening between the ears is crucial. Some have natural self-belief, some need to hear it from their Coaches and teammates.
Cook said something similar a few weeks ago, then decided to work really hard on his fitness over the last long break as well as set specific goals for himself, to improve upon.
He's gone from inconsistent grub to a butterfly this year.

Pedlar carries himself like someone with great self-confidence, Taylor not so much. Toby Murray looks frightened a fair bit, but has proven me wrong and has as-yet-not-fully-developed ability.
I wonder if they've all had similar difficulties with self-belief.

The way Nicks treats them does not help eg Dowling, then most recently Edwards.
Selected only via injury to another.
Played well vs the Saints after an understandably nervous first 1/4. Was "elated", post-game, great to see.
Struggled (of course) vs the 2 X Flag-winning juggernaut Brisbane midfield.
Moved by Nicks at 1/2 time to HF, then dropped (message: it's your fault; you're not good enough).

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Having now watched the sanfl game, I’m ready to enlighten everyone with my proposed changes.

Out: Walker, Butts, Bond
In: Murray, Dawson, Nank

Nank is too good for sanfl. Max to the lock down defender role where he excels and Nank to provide more rebound off half back. I think we can go a little smaller at the MCG. Curtin stays forward for now whilst he builds fitness.

 

[CrowBloke]

I’m probably different, I don’t see it as a loss as bad as people who want to live. I reckon that’s more tragic. For whatever reason, people are in that much pain that they’d rather not be around. Them taking their own lives is nowhere near as sad as someone dying who wants to live. My mum died from cancer at 45 with 2 kids under 6 at the time is tragic, my sister choosing to end her life doesn’t come close in terms of tragedy.

I do understand why most see it differently though. As I said, we’re not all the same.

I've just read this, minutes after I sent you a DM.

I agree with you, btw.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Clearance is given to the 1st touch player

Not uncommon for Dawson to be the exit disposal from Stoppage for us but that’s not a clearance on The stat sheet if someone else hand balked it to him 1st

Dawsons clearance stats have always h devalued his stoppage value to us for that reason

Edit: I might add, if our system is working how we would like it (using dawsons skills) him having low clearance numbers is actually potentially a good sign

I know but how often does that inside receiver hand ball happen?
And how often is the next play we still under pressure anyway?

Is there a stat for that? Because it doesn’t appear often to my eye.

Could he not also receive that by starting in a more outside position.

I’d still be playing good kicks like Rankine , Rachele and Curtin in the inside

 

[arsene wenger1]

Taylor is more valuable than Pedlar, look at the work Taylor does for the non goal from Milera.

I wish we could get Taylor into the game more because ball in hand he's very good.

Actually think He’s a better midfielder. Reckons that’s where he’s played his best footy for us

 

[119others]

Actually think He’s a better midfielder. Reckons that’s where he’s played his best footy for us

Can i respectfully ask when those games have been? not doubting it but i literally cant remember. perusing the stats from the last 2 years only twice he has had more than 15 possies and they were vs bottom teams (inc weagles last year)

I agree if we could get Taylor up to 15-17 possessions per game he would be valuable but a career ave of just under 10 is pretty damn low (and yes i understand he was sub etc on a few occasions)

 

[119others]

Having now watched the sanfl game, I’m ready to enlighten everyone with my proposed changes.

Out: Walker, Butts, Bond
In: Murray, Dawson, Nank

Nank is too good for sanfl. Max to the lock down defender role where he excels and Nank to provide more rebound off half back. I think we can go a little smaller at the MCG. Curtin stays forward for now whilst he builds fitness.

I would be happy to give Nank a couple of games now vs lower opponents and take out Bond who is our weakest link.

Is Draper getting close to returning to the AFL side?

 

[119others]

Mc Andrew for the first time on the weekend seemed below his opponent on the night (Sweet has been in OK form though). Even dropped his head at times which I hadnt seen before. 8 tough games in he is likely feeling it.

Wonder if this is the game we give him off and freshen him up before Xerri the following weekend followed by Horks duo? Followed by our bye.

Tigers have a no name debutant ruckman on the weekend from what I can gather and I reckon its time to let ROB 'work his magic' on the G

Remembering last year and the need to better manage the squad this seems like a sensible move imo

 

[Huntercrow]

He wasn't BOG. That was Milera or Aliir Aliir.
He had many fumbles, i just highlighted an example. If you're being genuine you know there were many fumbles, and many turnovers.

And yes - that's how momentum works.

Aliir Aliir had quite a few fumbles and missed marks in the 1st half. Milera was on Berry when he scored the goal to put them in front. He went the tackle on Wines that left Berry free.
Do you take those instances into account when deciding BOG?

 

[Cromulant]

Aliir Aliir had quite a few fumbles and missed marks in the 1st half. Milera was on Berry when he scored the goal to put them in front. He went the tackle on Wines that left Berry free.
Do you take those instances into account when deciding BOG?

He went to tackle the player with the ball ?? How dare he !!!