Racial inequality in America

[iBeng]

This topic has been sort of floating around varius threads to do with whats happening in the US, so I thought we should have a thread for it.

Ive done my own research and have some links to share for those interested:

4 Ways Racial Inequity Harms American Schoolchildren

The country's racial justice problems aren't limited to policing — U.S. schools also struggle with inequity and implicit bias.

www.npr.org

Systematic Inequality

The already large racial wealth gap between white and black American households grew even wider after the Great Recession. Targeted policies are necessary to reverse this deepening divide.

www.americanprogress.org

Also:

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[Brick Loosener]

This topic has been sort of floating around varius threads to do with whats happening in the US, so I thought we should have a thread for it.

Ive done my own research and have some links to share for those interested:

4 Ways Racial Inequity Harms American Schoolchildren

The country's racial justice problems aren't limited to policing — U.S. schools also struggle with inequity and implicit bias.

www.npr.org

Systematic Inequality

The already large racial wealth gap between white and black American households grew even wider after the Great Recession. Targeted policies are necessary to reverse this deepening divide.

www.americanprogress.org

Also:

Tātai Aho Rau Core Education blog

Discover the latest insights on education and teaching from the Tātai Aho Rau Core Education blog. Our blog features informative articles, expert opinions, and free teacher resources to support your professional growth. Explore our blog today to stay up-to-date on the latest trends and best...

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Ideally the actual owners should tell all the squatters to * off and never come back.

 

[iBeng]

White Supremacist Infiltration of US Police Forces: Fact-Checking National Security Advisor O’Brien

What the available research says about systemic discrimination in law enforcement as well as links to racist and white supremacist ideology.

www.justsecurity.org

 

[iBeng]

 

[iBeng]

 

[Balls In]

And meanwhile in South Africa there's an actual genocide going on with white farmers being tortured and murdered at a horrific rate. And the lefty world is silent.There will be famine there soon and people will blame climate change and direct aid over there.

 

[iBeng]

And meanwhile in South Africa there's an actual genocide going on with white farmers being tortured and murdered at a horrific rate And the lefty world is silent.There will be famine there soon and people will blame climate change and direct.

I have friends who are parents of my childs friends and I have heard all about South Africa, its been going on for the last 10-15 years. When I worked in the mines about 6-10 years ago we had a lot of South Africans move to our town of Whyalla to get away from it. Some of them though were a little...old school. They would ask my dad who looked after all the houses the company rented them where they could purchase "workers". They usually have "workers" run their farms for them while they worked in Johannesburg.

A lot of whats happening there is one race feeling they are getting their revenge on the other which held them down. Its not a good situation at all, honestly America is lucky they didnt have a similar situation.

Its hard to find a visually useful graph but this one is pretty accurate:

 

[Seeds]

This topic has been sort of floating around varius threads to do with whats happening in the US, so I thought we should have a thread for it.

Ive done my own research and have some links to share for those interested:

4 Ways Racial Inequity Harms American Schoolchildren

The country's racial justice problems aren't limited to policing — U.S. schools also struggle with inequity and implicit bias.

www.npr.org

Systematic Inequality

The already large racial wealth gap between white and black American households grew even wider after the Great Recession. Targeted policies are necessary to reverse this deepening divide.

www.americanprogress.org

Also:

Tātai Aho Rau Core Education blog

Discover the latest insights on education and teaching from the Tātai Aho Rau Core Education blog. Our blog features informative articles, expert opinions, and free teacher resources to support your professional growth. Explore our blog today to stay up-to-date on the latest trends and best...

blog.core-ed.org

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You have causality wrong.

the main reason why white people have a much greater probability of being wealthy then black people is because of inheritance combined with a system that gives better servies to children of wealthy families vs children of poor families preventing equal opportunity. cultural differences of poor people vs rich people regardless of colour also doesnt help.

colour of skin is likely only a very small factor in wealth distribution. Its family background that is the main factor And that has strong correlation to skin colour given most black families who came to america came as slaves.

the way to make more black people rich is to get rid of inheritance, improve provision of public services to poor areas and try to work on the culture of poor people.

 

[iBeng]

You have causality wrong.

the main reason why white people have a much greater probability of being wealthy then black people is because of inheritance combined with a system that gives better servies to children of wealthy families vs children of poor families preventing equal opportunity. cultural differences of poor people vs rich people regardless of colour also doesnt help.

colour of skin is likely only a very small factor in wealth distribution. Its family background that is the main factor.

This is a good point, since you only need to go a few generations back for a lot of African Americans to find a people who had to start from the bottom against a system stacked against them. So on the surface it LOOKS like its purely because of the colour of a persons skin but for sake of causality they are generally born into generations that are still trying to climb that capitalism ladder.

The wealth distribution figures are probably a better indication of it

Using Forbes as a pretty well accepted financial researcher:

https://blogs-images.forbes.com/niallmccarthy/files/2017/09/20170914_Racial_Weath_Divide-1.jpg

The Federal Research shows a bit more of a detailed look up until 2016:


There are far too many things outside of their own personal control for an African American to bridge that gap. Birth location, their own family lineage, money invested in their community and so on.

 

[Seeds]

This is a good point, since you only need to go a few generations back for a lot of African Americans to find a people who had to start from the bottom against a system stacked against them. So on the surface it LOOKS like its purely because of the colour of a persons skin but for sake of causality they are generally born into generations that are still trying to climb that capitalism ladder.

The wealth distribution figures are probably a better indication of it

Using Forbes as a pretty well accepted financial researcher:

https://blogs-images.forbes.com/niallmccarthy/files/2017/09/20170914_Racial_Weath_Divide-1.jpg

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The Federal Research shows a bit more of a detailed look up until 2016:
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There are far too many things outside of their own personal control for an African American to bridge that gap. Birth location, their own family lineage, money invested in their community and so on.

i will add that skin colour does have some impact as we know employers subconsciously are biased against minorities. However larger firms and higher education have taken numerous steps to try to counter this.

the main problem is non wage income is distributed mostly around family lineage and we dont have equal opportunity in education as education is clearly better for those living in rich areas and those whose parents have money And connections to gain access to the best universities.

 

[Marcel Proust]

 

[EDFL follower]

You have causality wrong.

the main reason why white people have a much greater probability of being wealthy then black people is because of inheritance combined with a system that gives better servies to children of wealthy families vs children of poor families preventing equal opportunity. cultural differences of poor people vs rich people regardless of colour also doesnt help.

colour of skin is likely only a very small factor in wealth distribution. Its family background that is the main factor And that has strong correlation to skin colour given most black families who came to america came as slaves.

the way to make more black people rich is to get rid of inheritance, improve provision of public services to poor areas and try to work on the culture of poor people.

How do you propose to get rid of inheritance?

 

[iBeng]

How do you propose to get rid of inheritance?

Inheritance is a tricky one because its not the fault of the person inheriting the money that is at any fault, and nor is it the person leaving the benefit. The person leaving the money can lock it in a trust fund which is usually the best method so that the their descendant needs to reach an age appropriate for the type of money they have access to.

The inheritance you really cant control is the one causing the most imbalance at the moment and requires significantly changes to education, health care and social support structures to level out the playing field. Outlawing private schools is an unlikely move so education will always been tied to how much money is being spent on the facilities and the money parents have to access them. Same goes for medical aid and social support for things like mental health. As soon as you start looking at making these things more government controlled you have people shout out socialism and the conversation collapses.

 

[EDFL follower]

Inheritance is a tricky one because its not the fault of the person inheriting the money that is at any fault, and nor is it the person leaving the benefit. The person leaving the money can lock it in a trust fund which is usually the best method so that the their descendant needs to reach an age appropriate for the type of money they have access to.

The inheritance you really cant control is the one causing the most imbalance at the moment and requires significantly changes to education, health care and social support structures to level out the playing field. Outlawing private schools is an unlikely move so education will always been tied to how much money is being spent on the facilities and the money parents have to access them. Same goes for medical aid and social support for things like mental health. As soon as you start looking at making these things more government controlled you have people shout out socialism and the conversation collapses.

As it should.
Why would anyone even consider getting rid of private schools? We dont want to bring people down to the lowest common denominator do we?

 

[iBeng]

As it should.
Why would anyone even consider getting rid of private schools? We dont want to bring people down to the lowest common denominator do we?

No, but the public schools shouldnt be ever considered the lowest denominator. A society that has a system where you can pay to get a better education is set up to perpetuate class warfare from the very start.

 

[Seeds]

How do you propose to get rid of inheritance?

Either a Wealth tax or direct tax on inheritance atleast equivalent to the marginal income tax rate.

 

[Seeds]

No, but the public schools shouldnt be ever considered the lowest denominator. A society that has a system where you can pay to get a better education is set up to perpetuate class warfare from the very start.

Yep. Capitalism only works if we have equal opportunity. That starts with education.

 

[iBeng]

The answer isnt so much about defeating capitalism but adapting it so that the disparity between those who "win" and those who struggle to stay in the game at all.

The main one which everyone has heard of and has conflicting thoughts on is Universal Basic Income which comes with its pros and cons. The con usually being how its paid for which would require restructuring several social structures and some adjustments here and there. A country like America could feasibly trial it in individual states, something a more liberal leaning president would certainly be open to.

 

[iBeng]

This YouTube channel is great at explaining things, this is their video on UBI:

 

[EDFL follower]

No, but the public schools shouldnt be ever considered the lowest denominator. A society that has a system where you can pay to get a better education is set up to perpetuate class warfare from the very start.

There are always going to be different classes, and people who can afford it will always pay to get a better start for their kids. So whether you like it or not public schools will always be the lowest denominator.

 

[iBeng]

There are always going to be different classes, and people who can afford it will always pay to get a better start for their kids. So whether you like it or not public schools will always be the lowest denominator.

Money will always be a factor but it shouldnt be the significant factor it is currently. When you have schools where teachers are buying their students materials there is a glaring problem. The conspiracy theorists always say that governments dont want educated workers/votes and as much as I dislike agreeing with them it makes sense. Drones are more valuable than thinkers basically.

 

[Seeds]

This YouTube channel is great at explaining things, this is their video on UBI:

Universal incomes are a terrible idea until we have extremely cheap and highly effective automation which is still some time away (although we are moving in that direction). You think about these issues deeply. This is a good thread. But you continuously miss/ignore the role of effort. It needs to be a part of the analysis.


Until we have widespread cheap automation we need to incentivise work though increasing taxes on non work income (like wealth/inheritance taxes) and reducing income taxes. Universal incomes disincentivize work. The opposite of what is currently needed. There is work for almost everyone of working age and a large amount of dependents that need to be supported by workers.
For the small portion of people who cant currently work that are of working age we should offer bigger welfare. But not give large free incomes to those who can work. It discourages them to work. This places greater burden on everyone else to support the dependents and provide protections.

Universal incomes is a solution to a future problem. Not todays problem

 

[medusala]

colour of skin is likely only a very small factor in wealth distribution. Its family background that is the main factor

Not family background. Family. If you eliminate single black households the income differential dramatically reduces.

Something like 70% of black kids are born to single mothers.

https://www.aei.org/articles/the-power-of-the-two-parent-home-is-not-a-myth/

To repeat: Being raised in a married-couple household led the poverty rate for black children to go down 73 percent compared to mother-only households and 67 percent compared to father-only households. And as evidence of the power of family structure to transcend race, 31 percent of white children raised in mother-only households live in poverty, versus just 12 percent of black children living with their married parents. That is a stunning realization.

 

[quotemokc]

Why are Asians being excluded from all the posted graphs?

 

[HAPPY BUDDHA]

Why are Asians being excluded from all the posted graphs?

No one speaking up for the Mexicans, Cubans or Latinos either.
Clearly some kind of agenda here.