Racism Discussion - what is race? what is racism?

[bad setanta]

So far you've given nothing but ad hominem......Put up or shut up.

Still waiting for a rebuttal from you yesterday when I proved you're beliefs to be misguided about blaming everything on US foreign policy and intervention, perhaps you need to learn about the Barbary wars until then you're not even in the conversation because to be blunt you are not educated enough on the subject.

 

[CM86]

See this is where your argument falls apart.

I quoted sura 9:29 as evidence that the objective of islam is to establish itself via violent invasion.

You countered this argument by using your own observations that because Muslims aren't violently attacking us right now, that means that this claim I have made is incorrect.

I then quoted the verse which states that a certain numerical balance is prescribed before victory will be granted to illustrate that, if Muslims where attacking us right now, which you stated is required for my point to be valid, that would infact fall out of line with quranic instruction.

Sura 9:29 is valid evidence that the objective of Islam i

It doesn't say it is to establish itself via violent invasion...
Sura 9:29 doesn't talk about invasion at all... Let alone establishing...

You took that quote, and another quote... that were not linked... and linked them to create a scenario that you could then interpret to mean they are building numbers to violently take over.

 

[My name geoff]

It doesn't say it is to establish itself via violent invasion...
Sura 9:29 doesn't talk about invasion at all... Let alone establishing...

You took that quote, and another quote... that were not linked... and linked them to create a scenario that you could then interpret to mean they are building numbers to violently take over.

I quoted the Hadith which clearly states that 9:29 refers to a violent invasion (evidence)

 

[bad setanta]

No... this is what you did...
You quoted this verse;
"Now Allah has lightened your (task), for He knows that there is weakness in you. So if there are of you a hundred steadfast persons, they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a thousand of you, they shall overcome two thousand with the Leave of Allah. And Allah is with As- Sabirin (the patient ones, etc.)."

And stated that it means that when there are enough Muslims... that they will begin a violent take over...

THAT. ISN'T. EVIDENCE...

Which, if it was in the bible, would be interpreted as God giving you strength when you need it most... God helping you and instilling religious power unto you.

But in this case... you're saying it's secret squirrel information that you've cracked...
And that it's actually marching orders for violent global takeover...

It is bullshit...

I quoted the Hadith which clearly states that 9:29 refers to a violent invasion

Fair dinkum if he is not going to accept that there is passages which incite and justify violence to non believers then he is beyond even basic understanding or he just hasn't read it.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

I quoted the Hadith which clearly states that 9:29 refers to a violent invasion (evidence)

Why isnt every muslim trying to kill us now?

 

[DemonTim]

Why isnt every muslim trying to kill us now?

The ratios are all wrong. They're mathematically obsessive compulsive.

 

[My name geoff]

The ratios are all wrong. They're mathematically obsessive compulsive.

nah Muslims just ignore the parts of the Quran that don't fit in with the leftist narrative

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

nah Muslims just ignore the parts of the Quran that don't fit in with the leftist narrative

1.5 billion muslims. Why aren't we living in craters?

 

[DemonTim]

nah Muslims just ignore the parts of the Quran that don't fit in with the leftist narrative

Lol. Yeah I'm incredibly leftist? Have you actually read what I post. I don't identify with either. Because I'm not a moron who needs to pigeon hole beliefs

If Muslims as a whole followed the violent nature of an ancient text, they'd already have taken over

Love anti Muslim logic:
"Don't let them in. Look at what just a small number did in Europe"
"They're just waiting until they have numbers to violently take over"

 

[My name geoff]

Lol. Yeah I'm incredibly leftist? Have you actually read what I post. I don't identify with either. Because I'm not a moron who needs to pigeon hole beliefs

If Muslims as a whole followed the violent nature of an ancient text, they'd already have taken over

Love anti Muslim logic:
"Don't let them in. Look at what just a small number did in Europe"
"They're just waiting until they have numbers to violently take over"

Did I call you a leftist? I said 'the parts that don't fit with the leftist narrative'

I don't mind debating people whi don't have a background in Islamic theology, but what I can't understand is how some people can comment with such authority when they clearly have no grounding on the subject.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Did I call you a leftist? I said 'the parts that don't fit with the leftist narrative'

I don't mind debating people whi don't have a background in Islamic theology, but what I can't understand is how some people can comment with such authority when they clearly have no grounding on the subject.

Stop waffling.

Why havent they blown us all up yet?

 

[sherb]

1.5 billion muslims. Why aren't we living in craters?

Good question.

 

[DemonTim]

Did I call you a leftist? I said 'the parts that don't fit with the leftist narrative'

I don't mind debating people whi don't have a background in Islamic theology, but what I can't understand is how some people can comment with such authority when they clearly have no grounding on the subject.

The implication was clear

Respond to the points then. If my ideas are so wrong, refute them (nice incorrect assumption by the way)

 

[My name geoff]

1.5 billion muslims. Why aren't we living in craters?

Read the Quran, your answer is in there.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Read the Quran, your answer is in there.

You've got nothing, do you?

 

[My name geoff]

The implication was clear

Respond to the points then. If my ideas are so wrong, refute them (nice incorrect assumption by the way)

I have no idea who you are, why would I imply anything about you?

The leftist narrative is pretty well defined, any ideas that fit in with that narrative will be 'tarred with the same brush' so to speak

 

[sherb]

Read the Quran, your answer is in there.

Which specific verse?

 

[My name geoff]

You've got nothing, do you?

Lol look back over the last 10 pages, we've covered this. All the other people that tried to argue the point have dropped off so save your self the embarrassment.

 

[Showbags]

See this is where your argument falls apart.

I quoted sura 9:29 as evidence that the objective of islam is to establish itself via violent invasion.

You countered this argument by using your own observations that because Muslims aren't violently attacking us right now, that means that this claim I have made is incorrect.

I then quoted the verse which states that a certain numerical balance is prescribed before victory will be granted to illustrate that, if Muslims where attacking us right now, which you stated is required for my point to be valid, that would infact fall out of line with quranic instruction.

Sura 9:29 is valid evidence that the objective of Islam is violent conquest. Your claim that Muslims should be attacking us as we speak was countered by the fact that the Quran requires a greater population of Muslims for an attack.

No you have the burden of proof to prove that all muslims have a state of mind or intent to carry out this purported future violent conquest even if they are not attacking right now. It is your contention so you have to prove this state of mind or intent.

Sura 9:29 is not the issue and is not evidence of the state of mind or intent to carry out this purported future invasion.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Lol look back over the last 10 pages, we've covered this. All the other people that tried to argue the point have dropped off so save your self the embarrassment.

You're postulating that this massive group of people is waiting to slaughter us, and others should be embarrassed?

 

[sherb]

You're postulating that this massive group of people is waiting to slaughter us, and others should be embarrassed?

I know some Muslims. I must ask them when they plan to eradicate me.

 

[My name geoff]

No you have the burden of proof to prove that all muslims have a state of mind or intent to carry out this purported future violent conquest even if they are not attacking right now. It is your contention so you have to prove this state of mind or intent.

Sura 9:29 is not the issue and is not evidence of the state of mind or intent to carry out this purported future invasion.

I claimed that sura 9:29 is referring to violent invasion. I proved that claim with evidence form the Hadith and tasfir

I provided sound evidence that the majority of Muslims believe the Quran is the direct command of God.

My claim is that the intent of Islam is to invade

If someone tries to rebut that point by stating that we are not under attack now, so sura 9:29 must be irrelevant, all I have to do is point to the verses which outlines how many Muslims are needed for battle.
In other words, why would Muslims attack if they are severely outnumbered? It goes against the Quran doesn't it?

 

[Showbags]

I claimed that sura 9:29 is referring to violent invasion. I proved that claim with evidence form the Hadith and tasfir

I provided sound evidence that the majority of Muslims believe the Quran is the direct command of God.

My claim is that the intent of Islam is to invade

If someone tries to rebut that point by stating that we are not under attack now, so sura 9:29 must be irrelevant, all I have to do is point to the verses which outlines how many Muslims are needed for battle.
In other words, why would Muslims attack if they are severely outnumbered? It goes against the Quran doesn't it?

Again you skirt what i actually asked. You have the burden of proof to prove that all muslims have a state of mind or intent as to future conduct.

The fact that all muslims believe the Quran is the word of god and that sura 9:29 is purportedly a violent verse calling all muslims to invade is NOT EVIDENCE that they have a state of mind or intent to one day carry out an invasion or that they want to carry out what they are commanded to by 9:29.

You are trying to link two seperate things because you have an agenda to push.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

I know some Muslims. I must ask them when they plan to eradicate me.

Well according to some, they've got every word of their holy book memorised and will choose to act on everything in it. So, be scared.

 

[Showbags]

This is the face of evil according to Geoff. A jihadi just waiting for his opportunity to strike. The infidel Nathan Lyon had better watch his back: