Social Science Racism

[IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN]

Except the injustices perpetrated against black people, were perpetrated against them as a group (and continue to be).

Sweeping generalisations are never a good thing. Your exhibition of bigoted close mindedness in this thread is ironic.

Where as the achievements of individual white people, were achievements of individuals and not reflective of the ability of the group.

Ignorant.

If the 'proud to be white' crew on this thread think pride only comes from the achievements of people who share an ethnic background with themselves - would you be prepared to admit that white people are clearly number 3?

You're missing the point entirely, regardless, pride in ones self or ethnicity doesn't necessarily mean you feel superior to another.

I personally couldn't give a shit if white people are dead last.

The simple fact that you are attaching value to an ethnicity based on some obscure value, is what makes YOU the racist, and not myself.

And do you deduct points for things like colonialism, genocide, slavery, exploitation of third world people for their natural resources, capitalism etc? Cause if so, we'd probably get bumped even further down the list.

Are white men the only race to have shown the propensity to exhibit these behaviours? No, I don't think so. I'd go as far as saying every single race has exhibited something similair.

It's also very convenient for you to overlook the not so negative impacts we have had on society.

FYI, making a negative distinction (in this case behavioral and cultural) based on race or ehtnicity, is the very definition of racism. Heh.

Congratulations selfpwn.

Maybe your new slogan should be something like "White Pride: We're slightly better than Bangladeshi's and slightly worse than Eskimos"

Maybe yours should be "Biggest racist in the thread."

 

[gazzas army]

Sweeping generalisations are never a good thing. Your exhibition of bigoted close mindedness in this thread is ironic.




Ignorant.



You're missing the point entirely, regardless, pride in ones self or ethnicity doesn't necessarily mean you feel superior to another.

I personally couldn't give a shit if white people are dead last.

The simple fact that you are attaching value to an ethnicity based on some obscure value, is what makes YOU the racist, and not myself.



Are white men the only race to have shown the propensity to exhibit these behaviours? No, I don't think so. I'd go as far as saying every single race has exhibited something similair.

It's also very convenient for you to overlook the not so negative impacts we have had on society.

FYI, making a negative distinction (in this case behavioral and cultural) based on race or ehtnicity, is the very definition of racism. Heh.

Congratulations selfpwn.



Maybe yours should be "Biggest racist in the thread."

This is so good! Thats exactly what I meant, thankyou.

 

[LouisCK]

Sweeping generalisations are never a good thing. Your exhibition of bigoted close mindedness in this thread is ironic.

You need to develop an understanding of the term 'ironic'. But please, I could use a laugh, go on and explain how stating persecution still occurs towards black people is 'ironic'.

Ignorant.

Not an argument - you're just stating a one word response simply because you can't argue against my logical statement that an individual achievement by one white person hundreds of years ago has no bearing on the ability of an individual white person today exhibiting 'white pride'.

You're missing the point entirely, regardless, pride in ones self or ethnicity doesn't necessarily mean you feel superior to another.

I personally couldn't give a shit if white people are dead last.

Then explain to me what it is about being white that makes you proud. Why do you associate 'ones self' with ethnicity so quickly? I'm arguing simply that showing pride in being white is fundamentally stupid, and only the biggest losers around are 'proud' of something they had absolutely no choice in. You've done literally nothing to become white, you had no choice in it and put no effort in it, and by your own admission, there is nothing particularly better about being white than any other colour - so tell me, how can a pigment be something worth being proud of?

Unlike black pride which is very much a social movement in response to white racism... and has an actual, you know... point.

The simple fact that you are attaching value to an ethnicity based on some obscure value, is what makes YOU the racist, and not myself.

I'm not placing any value on any ethnicity, I am certain that 'race' does not even exist. I am pointing out though that black pride is fundamentally different from white pride, as black pride is a response to racism - white pride is racism.

Are white men the only race to have shown the propensity to exhibit these behaviours? No, I don't think so. I'd go as far as saying every single race has exhibited something similair.

White people are certainly the primary proponents of colonialism, unless you'd care to argue otherwise?

It's also very convenient for you to overlook the not so negative impacts we have had on society.

FYI, making a negative distinction (in this case behavioral and cultural) based on race or ehtnicity, is the very definition of racism. Heh.

Congratulations selfpwn.

I'm using it as an example as to why its stupid to take pride in the achievements or failures of past generations. If you think its stupid to be ashamed of past failures, then surely it must be stupid to be proud of past achievements?

Maybe yours should be "Biggest racist in the thread."

Maybe yours should be 'guy who can't comprehend simple arguments'

 

[LouisCK]

This is so good! Thats exactly what I meant, thankyou.

"oh thank you thank thank you! I'm so glad another pindicked racist has come into the thread so we can justify our racism which is merely a manifestation of our own inadequacies!"

Pathetic.

 

[gazzas army]

You need to develop an understanding of the term 'ironic'. But please, I could use a laugh, go on and explain how stating persecution still occurs towards black people is 'ironic'.




Not an argument - you're just stating a one word response simply because you can't argue against my logical statement that an individual achievement by one white person hundreds of years ago has no bearing on the ability of an individual white person today exhibiting 'white pride'.




Then explain to me what it is about being white that makes you proud. Why do you associate 'ones self' with ethnicity so quickly? I'm arguing simply that showing pride in being white is fundamentally stupid, and only the biggest losers around are 'proud' of something they had absolutely no choice in. You've done literally nothing to become white, you had no choice in it and put no effort in it, and by your own admission, there is nothing particularly better about being white than any other colour - so tell me, how can a pigment be something worth being proud of?

Unlike black pride which is very much a social movement in response to white racism... and has an actual, you know... point.



I'm not placing any value on any ethnicity, I am certain that 'race' does not even exist. I am pointing out though that black pride is fundamentally different from white pride, as black pride is a response to racism - white pride is racism.




White people are certainly the primary proponents of colonialism, unless you'd care to argue otherwise?



I'm using it as an example as to why its stupid to take pride in the achievements or failures of past generations. If you think its stupid to be ashamed of past failures, then surely it must be stupid to be proud of past achievements?




Maybe yours should be 'guy who can't comprehend simple arguments'

How very narcissistic of you. I would argue that racism has a direct correlation with narcissism, and that by the dismissive and ignorant tone of your last post, you have demonstarted hypocrisy of the highest order in relation to this topic.

 

[LouisCK]

How very narcissistic of you. I would argue that racism has a direct correlation with narcissism, and that by the dismissive and ignorant tone of your last post, you have demonstarted hypocrisy of the highest order in relation to this topic.

I'd say you bust out the thesaurus too quickly to try and disguise the fact you don't know your arse from your mouth.

 

[Messenger]

ny argument is that i hate the way ALL ethnic groups (yes including whites) have a pre disposition to alignining themselves to members of their own race religion and color. Perceptions can sometimes become reality and this is how stereotypes are formed. This topic maybe a little over my head, and im probably out of my depth here, but I know what I am saying. Racism is Racism and should not be tolerated by anyone. It can be perpertrated by anyone, including so called minorities. If someone is proud to be gay, doesnt make them anti hetro, if someone is proud to be a catholic, doesnt make them anti Muslim, if someone is proud to be white, doesnt make them anti black. When I say that I am proud to be white, I really mean I am proud of my heritage. I am caucasian, with obvious english bloodline. I am here today because of pre deterrmined circumsatnce, as we all are. The minute I boast of my heritage I am considered a racist in your eyes it seems

That's all good and well, but you cannot deny that organized "white pride" movements have political and social agendas that are inherently racist.

 

[CM86]

Then explain to me what it is about being white that makes you proud. Why do you associate 'ones self' with ethnicity so quickly? I'm arguing simply that showing pride in being white is fundamentally stupid, and only the biggest losers around are 'proud' of something they had absolutely no choice in. You've done literally nothing to become white, you had no choice in it and put no effort in it, and by your own admission, there is nothing particularly better about being white than any other colour - so tell me, how can a pigment be something worth being proud of?

Unlike black pride which is very much a social movement in response to white racism... and has an actual, you know... point.

How do you go from saying there is nothing that can class whites together, as they have no choice in the matter, and it is just pigment. But go on to say that black pride is based on white racism, inferring their is a collective of whites?

And why is there black pride but not white pride, if as you say, no one gets to choose their colour?

Finally, are you also saying that all skin colours can take pride, excluding anyone with white skin? Because as you say, white people have nothing to be proud of?

 

[IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN]

You need to develop an understanding of the term 'ironic'. But please, I could use a laugh, go on and explain how stating persecution still occurs towards black people is 'ironic'.

I find irony in that spew out generalisations (read sterotypes), and use them to support your belief that race X is inferior/superior to race Y.

I find it laughable that you can say:

"I find it more strange that white people think the achievements of other individual white people somehow reflect on them personally."

without understading the blatantly obvious implications that the statement has on your argument.

Not an argument - you're just stating a one word response simply because you can't argue against my logical statement that an individual achievement by one white person hundreds of years ago has no bearing on the ability of an individual white person today exhibiting 'white pride'.

I don't need to make an argument, your ignorance and bigotry speaks for itself.

I can't argue that an historical achievement has no bearing on the ability of an individual today? What the **** is that supposed to mean? I understand that you've thrown a collection of words together in an attempt to appear intelligent, but it makes no sense at all.

Either way, you're wrong.

Then explain to me what it is about being white that makes you proud.

It can be anything. I'm proud of my heritage, I'm proud of my physical appearance and mental characteristics, I'm proud of my culture. Any other random shit like that. All are based on myself and my history, and have absolutely nothing to do with any other ethnicity.

Why do you associate 'ones self' with ethnicity so quickly?

I quite clearly differentiated between the two, with the use of "or".

I'm arguing simply that showing pride in being white is fundamentally stupid,

How so? What part of having a sense of self pride or worth is fundamentally stupid?

and onlythe biggest losers around are 'proud' of something they had absolutely no choice in.

I know you don't realise what you are saying here, becuse you just run your mouth without thinking things through, but this by default applies to a black person or asian or any other person which feels pride in themselves, including you.

You've done literally nothing to become white, you had no choice in it and put no effort in it, and by your own admission, there is nothing particularly better about being white than any other colour - so tell me, how can a pigment be something worth being proud of?

Because I find my own personal combination aesthetically pleasing. If I had a 12 inch dong, or a face like George Clooney, I would also feel proud of those characteristics.

What does choice have to do with anything?

Why is it so hard for you to understand that pride in yourself has absolutely nothing to do with the "race" of another person?

Unlike black pride which is very much a social movement in response to white racism... and has an actual, you know... point.

Which is sadly, unlike your posts?

I'm not placing any value on any ethnicity, I am certain that 'race' does not even exist. I am pointing out though that black pride is fundamentally different from white pride, as black pride is a response to racism - white pride is racism.

Generalising again.

I'm sure in some circumstances "white pride" can be used in a negative manner, and I also have no doubt "black pride" or "asian pride" can also be used in a negative manner

White people are certainly the primary proponents of colonialism, unless you'd care to argue otherwise?

Black people are the primary proponents of tribalism, but that's ok, because they're not white, right?

I'm using it as an example as to why its stupid to take pride in the achievements or failures of past generations.

Well your example is smacking you in the face

If you think its stupid to be ashamed of past failures, then surely it must be stupid to be proud of past achievements?

That's a very existential question, which I have no doubt you didn't intend.

I don't think it's stupid to be ashamed of past failures.

Regardless, they're not mutually exclusive concepts, so no.

Maybe yours should be 'guy who can't comprehend simple arguments'

Judging by your clear inability to pick up the fairly obvious meaning of gazzas argument, I would suggest you look in the mirror champ.

Slightly off topic, but may I ask how old you are?

 

[gazzas army]

That's all good and well, but you cannot deny that organized "white pride" movements have political and social agendas that are inherently racist.

nope...never did.

 

[gazzas army]

I'd say you bust out the thesaurus too quickly to try and disguise the fact you don't know your arse from your mouth.

And id say youre probably working on a thesis and resorting to belittling opinions on a shitty chat forum to derive some kind of counter argument and foundation for your obvious left winged views.
Hows the Art degree going anyway you flog?

 

[Mooster7]

Quite possibly the biggest load of frog shit I have ever read at BF.

That says a lot considering you've been reading frog shit on BF since way back in November of 2011.

But that's not really the case, is it?

 

[Mooster7]

I'm certainly not running a "white people stole the blues!!!" argument, and I'm not denying there are a bunch of important white blues, jazz and rock musicians who've all contributed to the developments of the form.

But I'm struggling to see your point. The western melodic system is as old as the ancient Greeks (probably older) the harmonic system is about 450 years old, most of our instruments developed somewhere between those periods, and everything has been developed around that. it predates most "classical" by hundreds to thousands of years.

That doesn't preclude particular countries or communities using those tools to develop their own musical styles and traditions.

Would you argue that flamenco isn't essentially Spanish gypsy music?

You seem hung up on the concept of "invention" as some sort of eureka moment, but I don't think that is what anyone else is arguing.

I know you're struggling to see my point. I've been aware of that every time you've responded. My original post in this thread was simply to say that black people didn't invent rock & roll. I've been saying that it wasn't invented by anyone at any particular time. It evolved over time from music that came before it. There is no particular racial aspect to it.

I did note that many of the musicians whom people would rightfully point to as some of the early black pioneers of rock have all pointed to Elivs as being the the catalyst that got it all going. They're right, but rock already existed and Elvis for his part always gave due credit to the black musicians who inspired him. AND (again) Elvis never wrote a single song.

Rock - and all music for that matter - evolved slowly, and blacks did not invent it.

Is the case closed?

 

[gazzas army]

I know you're struggling to see my point. I've been aware of that every time you've responded. My original post in this thread was simply to say that black people didn't invent rock & roll. I've been saying that it wasn't invented by anyone at any particular time. It evolved over time from music that came before it. There is no particular racial aspect to it.

I did note that many of the musicians whom people would rightfully point to as some of the early black pioneers of rock have all pointed to Elivs as being the the catalyst that got it all going. They're right, but rock already existed and Elvis for his part always gave due credit to the black musicians who inspired him. AND (again) Elvis never wrote a single song.

Rock - and all music for that matter - evolved slowly, and blacks did not invent it.

Is the case closed?

well apparently on bigfooty, that kind of logic makes you a racist sir!

 

[J_Moore]

well apparently on bigfooty, that kind of logic makes you a racist sir!

I don't see anyone accusing mooster of being a racist.

 

[Old Skool]

That says a lot considering you've been reading frog shit on BF since way back in November of 2011.


But that's not really the case, is it?

I am omnipotent.

Remember that next time you talk crap about Elvis.

BTW, I don't think you're a racist.

 

[J_Moore]

Rock - and all music for that matter - evolved slowly, and blacks did not invent it.

Is the case closed?

you're right that there is no moment of sudden creation where a musical style appears from the ether, fully formed - all music evolves slowly and is informed by everything that came before it.

but rock and roll developed directly from the electric blues, and both were distinctly black forms. They wouldn't exist if it wasn't for black musicians. They would exist if it wasn't for Elvis.

Just like jazz is essentially American even though its played on European instruments and django reinhardt was a pretty good guitarist.

 

[gazzas army]

I don't see anyone accusing mooster of being a racist.

I was being facetious...............well spotted

 

[Old Skool]

but rock and roll developed directly from the electric blues, and both were distinctly black forms. They wouldn't exist if it wasn't for black musicians. They would exist if it wasn't for Elvis.

This.

The closest white input to the mish mash that went on to make rock and roll, would be early rockabilly influences.

 

[edgie]

As far as I'm concerned, the first every 3 chord/ power chord rock bands to belt out rock song after rock song were white guys. Where it comes from doesn't matter, it's like saying the car is influenced by the horse and carriage... does that really matter now that we have cars? Does it make the inventor of the car any less of a craftsman?

 

[edgie]

send them back into the Kitchen?


The context is really important. as a tattoo, 'white pride' isnt exactly Racist, though it certainly does nothing to Curb racism, Much like black pride tatts just makes the problem bigger.

however with the article, and further comments by the Poster, the guy sounds like a racist Knob. he certainly has all the cliche's of being racist, like "I'm not racist, I have aboriginal friends, and an aboriginal child".

This guy gets it the OP.

Sometimes you gotta call a spade a spade and not give them a sympathy piece cause they ruffled some feathers and are just seeing the error of their ways.

Anyway, wouldn't want to stop the rest of the discussion here, so here is my peice:
I know I'm prone to racist moments and thoughts, but I also know it's not something to be proud of. Something to be worked on and worked out of one's system. I'm white mostly (other things going on but that's what race I identify myself in short), I'm happy being that way, it's part of who I am, but I don't feel my white heritage is anything worth writing home about.

 

[XFactor1979]

Asian gangs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hick bogans

Want some smack?

 

[the_interloper]

Asian gangs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hick bogans

Want some smack?

Yeah can you pm me to hook me up?

Watched Romper Stomper the other night, how good is that movie, some great non racist soundtracks as well!

 

[kfc1]

The simple fact that you are attaching value to an ethnicity based on some obscure value, is what makes YOU the racist, and not myself.

Well said.

 

[Tassieboy]

Who cares whether a white person or a black person invented something. Does that really matter?

The people who believe their race is superior to another are a blight on society.