Racist Cartoon in the Australian

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CharlieG, isn't the whiteman in this country sterotyped as baby stealers, racist, land grabbing theifs etc? So if The Aus came up with something like that as a Cartoon, would you object and see it as racist?
Yep, if they portrayed the entire white population as being those things. Have said as much frequently, and it's for that reason that I oppose an official 'sorry'.

If they focused on individuals known to have done those things, however, it wouldn't be racist. I'm quite aware of the fact that I live in a country that was invaded a couple of hundred years ago. I'm also aware of the fact that we didn't have modern values until very recently. Colonisation is only now recognised as wrong.
 

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The thing is, I'm smart enough to know that stereotypes are wrong.

Ok cartoon aside. Are we denying that a problem exists with domestic violence in Aboriginal communties?
 

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Yep, if they portrayed the entire white population as being those things. Have said as much frequently, and it's for that reason that I oppose an official 'sorry'.
but they haven't, unless those 2 people rep. the entire race.

That cartoon had a speech bubble, if they were white how would you have interrupted it?
 

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Maybe we would Unit (although race would never come into), it shows to me 2 things:

- Men don't have a sensitive side
- Their is abuse towards women (what about the other way around?)

The Aus. is damned no matter what it does, if it continues to draw white people, then thats racist, they put black people on it, it better be in a good light or its racist, so why are the rules so different for two sets of races?
 

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If it were two white people would that be racist?
Probably not. If two white people were depicted, it would probably be in context of a particular story about particular people. Given white people are the majority in Australia, when you don't want to depict any particular race you would use whites.

I would be interested to see what story that cartoon was related to though - it might make some difference to the reason behind it. Either way though, the cartoonist should probably have known better than to go there at all.
 

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Ok cartoon aside. Are we denying that a problem exists with domestic violence in Aboriginal communties?
The question in is domestic violence more prevlant in Aboriginal communities than other similar disadvantaged communities? Many of the so-called Aboriginal 'problems' of unemplyment, drunkeness etc are inline with communities like Moe / Morwell in Victoria, or other ex-Industrial regional towns.

At the very least the cartoon is in poor taste. Putting the racism debate to one side, I doubt too many people would see humour / satire / thoughtfullness in a depiction of domestic violence.
 

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The Murdoch Press have had their anti-aborigine agenda going for a while, and yet I didn't expect to see this:


It's playing on the idea that aboriginal men like to beat up their wives.


Has this sort of thing suddenly become acceptable? Will tomorrow's cartoon depict them as having tails and hanging from trees?
Calm down. It was printed next to an article about "Jeff Farmer's Brilliant Career".
 

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If it were two white people would that be racist?

I wonder if people cry "racist" over things like this because of insecurities they feel because there MAY be some truths in the generalisations being depicted.
I wont go the ''truths in generalisation'' line. But agreed if it was depicting a white couple what would our reaction be?

Anyway cartoons IMO are meant to be humourous..maybe its me but I didnt find it funny..unless there has been some byplay on '' touchy feely'' ?
 

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Didn't you, like, start a thread saying you were leaving BF forever?
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Anyone else want to answer my question that believe's that cartoon was racist?
Just what does interrupt a speech bubble mean?

How about "This isn't domestic violence, I'm not a fellow. Cartoons in the Australian tell me that only blacks hit their missus. I never should have married a Philipine bride, I should have knows you would not assimilate into the Australian culture of me being a drunken prick."
 

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Didn't you, like, start a thread saying you were leaving BF forever?
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I have a day off today, so have some time. Hey I'm managing my issues but thanks for the concern;)
 

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Sure they have, but not in this context.

Tell me, if I said the words 'drunk', 'dole bludger' and 'wife beater', and asked you to identify those terms with a certain race, what would you come up with? Don't dodge the question by saying "well, I wouldn't think of any..." What's the first one that comes to mind?
Same as if I said ''gangs in Sydney'' what came to mind? We all have perceptions based on our OWN perceptions and we react or dont react accordingly. As you said doesnt make me right if I said Lebanese or Asian gangs. It doesnt mean there are not either. Just the way WE look at the world
 

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Just what does interrupt a speech bubble mean?

How about "This isn't domestic violence, I'm not a fellow. Cartoons in the Australian tell me that only blacks hit their missus. I never should have married a Philipine bride, I should have knows you would not assimilate into the Australian culture of me being a drunken prick."
I'll re-word it again. How would you interrupt that cartoon had it been 2 white people in it?

What I was getting at with the speech bubble* ("You want touchy feely ... ") is that it can be interpreted a number of ways if you look past the skin color of the abuser.





*isn't that a speech bubble? if not whatever the hell its called then.
 

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I'll re-word it again. How would you interrupt that cartoon had it been 2 white people in it?

What I was getting at with the speech bubble* ("You want touchy feely ... ") is that it can be interpreted a number of ways if you look past the skin color of the abuser

*isn't that a speech bubble? if not whatever the hell its called then.
Sorry, do you mean how would I have INTERPRETED the speech bubble?? Oh. I thought you were asking for a good content for the speech bubble had they been white.

Well had their been two whites I would have interpreted it is non-race specific, and commenting on that possibly past domestic violence policies have been a bit touchy feely. But it would still be a crappy cartoon that would make many people uncomfortable because of previous domestic violence encounters.
 

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I'll re-word it again. How would you interrupt that cartoon had it been 2 white people in it?

What I was getting at with the speech bubble* ("You want touchy feely ... ") is that it can be interpreted a number of ways if you look past the skin color of the abuser.





*isn't that a speech bubble? if not whatever the hell its called then.
If it had been two white people we all would have tried to recognize the bloke. We don't see all whites as wife beaters do we?

All I can see in this one is a race.

Nasty piece of work.
 

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If it had been two white people we all would have tried to recognize the bloke. We don't see all whites as wife beaters do we?

All I can see in this one is a race.

Nasty piece of work.
Hmmm, okay, so how exactly could the artist work it so it doesn't discriminate against one race?

beater = white
victim = black
?

beater = black
victim = white
?

Or the classic both white?

So is it only okay to show them (aboriginals) in good light? or can we have some freedom of speech and equality?

The pic also descriminates against men, making it seem like ALL men are wife bashers, but not the other way around, of course I am sure not too many people even consider that
 

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The pic also descriminates against men, making it seem like ALL men are wife bashers, but not the other way around, of course I am sure not too many people even consider that
You are right - that is why it is a crap cartoon, glad you agree. Except that it is a black man. Had it been a white man I'd have thought it was a pretty crappy cartoon, especially since it related to the ALP honcho who has said that ALP black policies have been too touchy feely.
 

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I would be interested to see what story that cartoon was related to though - it might make some difference to the reason behind it. Either way though, the cartoonist should probably have known better than to go there at all.
I must admit it is difficult to jump to conclusions about this when only reading the cartoon taken out of context.

Bottom line as I see it is most people will always be racist to some degree, it's just that at the moment it's not PC to admit it.

Eg - If you're a white guy and you walk into a pub full of blacks in an outback town would you feel comfortable? Personally I wouldn't. Would they ask me to come over for a beer? Probably not. Maybe due to unfair prejudices, but I'd get the hell out of there soon enough.

Similarly, I dare say a black person from this pub would feel uncomfortable walking into the lobby bar at the Sydney Hyatt in cocktail hour. Similarly, would everyone be lining up to ask him over for a martini?

My point is most us have prejudices. Most of them probably aren't fair. But we have them.
 
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