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[cammania]

I vote the fourth thread be named the fourth quarter.

 

[TheDoctor11]

Not an XBox fan

 

[Macca_]

There's gonna be a new wii?

Wii U

 

[E92_]

Not an XBox fan

I don't like you anymore.

 

[Ochre]

New Xbox wont be out much long after the WiiU anyway

 

[Omegaville]

Back in my day we didn't have "controllers" and "pads". We had JOYSTICKS and they had a SINGLE BUTTON. And the same joystick plugged into the Commodore 64, Atari 2600 and Sega Master System.

More shenanigans: The Doctor created the new thread just to change the topic back to gaming

 

[Maxwell110]

I'm thinking about buying three more games by the end of the year. I've figured that I'll get MW3, WWE '12 and I'm no too sure about the other the one. Any ideas?

 

[jethro11]

Wii U

Ahh, so that's what the controller looks like. My powers of knowing the future think that it will be in for a month or so and then just become another b-grade console that no serious gamer cares about.

I'm ranting a lot here aren't I

 

[Ochre]

I'm thinking about buying three more games by the end of the year. I've figured that I'll get MW3, WWE '12 and I'm no too sure about the other the one. Any ideas?

If you have a PS3, Uncharted 3

 

[TheDoctor11]

More shenanigans: The Doctor created the new thread just to change the topic back to gaming

Partially
That and talking about how bad we were at the cricket last night was depressing.

 

[Maxwell110]

If you have a PS3, Uncharted 3

why did I not think of that.

 

[PAFC_04]

This is great.

Call me un-Australian, but I just hate the Aussie cricket team.

Hopefully this embarrassment embeds something. The culture of arrogance in the sport has been quite embarrassing for some time. A flogging like this should raise some eyebrows - and lead to some serious self-evaluation.

How can you hate an Australian team? That's just not on! Be proud of the success we have had in the sport, we've dominated it for the last decade. How can you hate the likes of Gilchrist, McGrath, Warne, Ponting, Langer, Clarke, Lee and Watson? I wouldn't say the team itself was really arrogant anyway but even if they were surely they had every reason to be.
The score wasn't great but neither was SA's score of 96, we're still a strong chance of winning the match so I certainly wouldn't label it a 'flogging' or a 'disgrace' if we lose. The conditions are terrible so we could tear through them just as fast, they still have over 150 to make I'm pretty sure. We've done alright in the series as well so I'm not sure that we really need a wakeup call. South Africa are one of the best cricket teams and so are we still. The Ashes would be more of an 'embarrassment' in my eyes and we have responded to that since. Even still, the bloody poms are the best team in the world now and like every great team you have to go through a period of rebuilding. Look at Port Adelaide for example

Here we go again...

Should I replace my broken PS3, or get a Wii for Skyward Sword?

PS3 for sure. Obviously you'd already have heaps of games and accessories so its just a lot smarter and cheaper. Wiis are really cheap anyway, especially if you hold off until the next gen of consoles come out. I have a Wii and its a joke anyway, all of the games are too kiddish or second-rate. Haven't played it since I got my 360 a year ago. Hate Zelda though so I'm probably not the right person to ask...

 

[Willo #6]

The score wasn't great but neither was SA's score of 96, we're still a strong chance of winning the match so I certainly wouldn't label it a 'flogging' or a 'disgrace' if we lose.

Anytime a whole team scores 47 in a single innings of test cricket it is a disgrace and a flogging. I don't care if it's Zimbabwe or Australia or what the match conditions are, to score 47 is inexcusable.

Having said that, it's remarkable that we could still win after scoring 47 in a innings. Would be a great effort.

 

[PAFC_04]

Anytime a whole team scores 47 in a single innings of test cricket it is a disgrace and a flogging. I don't care if it's Zimbabwe or Australia or what the match conditions are, to score 47 is inexcusable.

Having said that, it's remarkable that we could still win after scoring 47 in a innings. Would be a great effort.

Certainly not ideal but them getting 96 really isn't much better therefore, making it 'better' imo. If we win it is not a flogging and as you said would be an awesome effort, almost making the match the complete opposite. It's been a weird game so I think you can almost take everything as an exception

 

[jethro11]

We've done alright in the series as well so I'm not sure that we really need a wakeup call.

The series has been going for two days

I think people seriously under-rated the series win in Sri Lanka. Sure it wasn't convincing but we beat a bloody good team and we saw that we're actually not that bad at cricket. We just need the likes of Marsh and Lyon in the team getting test match experience. Hughes isn't as good as everyone thinks and as much as I hate to say it, I think Ponting is over the hill. We need Marsh opening with Watson with someone like Kawaja coming in first drop. We've got a wealth of first class bowlers but as with the batting I think it's a case of getting the right mix and the right order. The amount of spinners we've had in the last few years is a joke.

On the topic of cricket, what team are you guys going for in the Big Bash League? I'll be going for the Renegades (Hodgey ) and I'm really lokking forward to the first melbourne derby. The atmosphere will be great .

 

[PAFC_04]

The series has been going for two days

Sorry, was talking about the ODIs (which we won). Don't have Fox so have only been able to check the scores on the internet, which tbh I haven't been keeping that much of an eye on. Got myself a little confused and didn't actually realise this was the 1st test. Must have gotten a bit confused with the Sri Lanka series too

 

[Silent Alarm]

I have an opinion, PAFC. That's how I can hold dislike for a team of spoilt, stubborn cricketers. Ricky Ponting is an arseh*le of the highest order. He acts like a spoilt kid. A fantastic batsman sure. But his action off the pitch is terrible.

And no matter how great you are, arrogance isn't a good trait. Confidence is held by all champions, yes, but overt cockiness often results in bad sportsmanship. What about the recent event of Ricky Ponting. Who went for the catch instead of Ponting, and when Ponting caught it, threw the ball into the turf? He looked up in such despicable arrogance. How is that warranted? What about his post-match interviews, where he would refuse to congratulate an opponent? It'd be Ponting and Australian-centric. He has a right to spur his men, but, you should always show grace - regardless of flogging, or being flogged by, an opponent. Ponting rarely ever showed this.

His aura is exemplified in that fast-talking, overly-confident Clarke. Ugh. Absolutely cringeworthy.

Justin Langer is nothing more than a sycophant. Surely you've heard his nickname in the change rooms?

"The score wasn't great". The score was, and is, a disgrace. As our Tasmanian friend pointed out, 47 is abhorrent. "[Not] great" is a vast understatement. It is shambles. There's no excuse. Australia played worse than a very bad South Africa. And that doesn't need a wake-up call? For a country with a rich history and tradition in the game, to embarrass themselves like that should be resulted in hung heads. Those eleven should walk off the ground feeling terrible. It is not respectable. And it's not like this is a one-off - Australian cricket has been in a minor crisis (by standards) for quite some time. Lose those rose-tinted glasses and gain some perspective.

Please open your eyes every now and then. You seem very conceited.

 

[jethro11]

Exactly. Some people don't understand the difference between healthy confidence and sheer arrogance. Five years ago we had a great side, sure, and I really enjoyed so many modern greats go about their business, but the way some of them acted was appalling and really quite embarrassing. But look at what happened during the series against India. Egos getting the play and stupid acts of arrogance putting a black mark over an otherwise fantastic series. I support the Australian team through and through but sometimes it's gets really hard to be behind a team that just can't draw the line. The guys I grew up watching (the likes of Taylor and Waugh) sledged the opposition, and probably pretty obnoxious out in the field, but at least they respected the oppostion and went about their cricket like grown men.

It might be easy to say this in hindsight, but we were never going to win this test after that performance yesterday. You can see how the players are feeling out there, and I bet you they really struggled to face up today after what they did. They went about it completely wrong yesterday. When you've got a big lead after bowling the opposition out for 96, you don't just go out there like your wickets worth a cent. And as if it could get any worse, we drop a couple of catch's.

These stupid 2-match series. IMO series between top 5 teams (which right now would be England, India, South Africa, Sri Lanka and Australia) should all be at least 3 tests in length.

 

[PAFC_04]

I have an opinion, PAFC. That's how I can hold dislike for a team of spoilt, stubborn cricketers. Ricky Ponting is an arseh*le of the highest order. He acts like a spoilt kid. A fantastic batsman sure. But his action off the pitch is terrible.

And no matter how great you are, arrogance isn't a good trait. Confidence is held by all champions, yes, but overt cockiness often results in bad sportsmanship. What about the recent event of Ricky Ponting. Who went for the catch instead of Ponting, and when Ponting caught it, threw the ball into the turf? He looked up in such despicable arrogance. How is that warranted? What about his post-match interviews, where he would refuse to congratulate an opponent? It'd be Ponting and Australian-centric. He has a right to spur his men, but, you should always show grace - regardless of flogging, or being flogged by, an opponent. Ponting rarely ever showed this.

His aura is exemplified in that fast-talking, overly-confident Clarke. Ugh. Absolutely cringeworthy.

Justin Langer is nothing more than a sycophant. Surely you've heard his nickname in the change rooms?

"The score wasn't great". The score was, and is, a disgrace. As our Tasmanian friend pointed out, 47 is abhorrent. "[Not] great" is a vast understatement. It is shambles. There's no excuse. Australia played worse than a very bad South Africa. And that doesn't need a wake-up call? For a country with a rich history and tradition in the game, to embarrass themselves like that should be resulted in hung heads. Those eleven should walk off the ground feeling terrible. It is not respectable. And it's not like this is a one-off - Australian cricket has been in a minor crisis (by standards) for quite some time. Lose those rose-tinted glasses and gain some perspective.

Please open your eyes every now and then. You seem very conceited.

Relax a bit mate I just don't see how anyone (except for EFH ) can dislike a national sporting team The only exception would be is if you were born in or have strong links to another country. I kind of understand what you're saying but I still don't really agree with it. I think Ricky's been an excellent leader, I have honestly never thought he's been arrogant. These videos does this justice imo:

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As a captain you've got to talk your team up a bit, you can't just say "Oh well, we did shit! They're so much better than us so well done guys. We'll try next week but we'll probably lose". You've gotta go through all the positives and from there look at how you can improve. I think Ricky's done just this which is not arrogant at all. He doesn't directly say "India were better at us in _____" but certainly acknowledges it. The last bit of the 1st video he congratulates Anil Kumble, if he was such a bad sport he wouldn't do that. Confidence and optimism are different from arrogance, I think you're getting mixed up. When you are as good as Australia back then there literally isn't all that much you can improve on and it would be stupid not to be confident and optomistic. Everyone has a hint of arrogance in them anyway, its natural. I have never seen Australia having any more than their opponent.

We're just very different people I guess and neither of us are ever going to back down from our opinions...

Back onto the SA test, yes the score was terrible, but when you put it into perspective with their score its not as bad as what it looks. I haven't been able to watch the game but from what I've heard the conditions are terrible. Either we batted a bit below par or batted shit and bowled awesome. Neither of those are absolutely disgraceful imo. We've had the worst and I think are slowly on the way back up again. Sure, we still have a hell of a way to go as we've seen here and in the ashes, but we're not as bad as what you're saying. If we win the test (which is still quite possible) and you still think we're an embarrassment then you're an absolute fool! No win is an embarrassment, no matter how bad certain parts have been

EDIT: just saw we lost. Wasn't a good performance but I'm still not sure it was as bad as you're saying. Haven't seen any of the game so I can't make a real comment.
Also, these "arrogant" guys that we're talking about are the heroes I've grown up with. There may be some bias to what I'm saying but you're never gonna stop me from loving them!

 

[Willo #6]

Have you seen the score now PAFC? We're not going to win...

 

[jethro11]

Back onto the SA test, yes the score was terrible, but when you put it into perspective with their score its not as bad as what it looks. I haven't been able to watch the game but from what I've heard the conditions are terrible. Either we batted a bit below par or batted shit and bowled awesome. Neither of those are absolutely disgraceful imo. We've had the worst and I think are slowly on the way back up again. Sure, we still have a hell of a way to go as we've seen here and in the ashes, but we're not as bad as what you're saying. If we win the test (which is still quite possible) and you still think we're an embarrassment then you're an absolute fool! No win is an embarrassment, no matter how bad certain parts have been

But what if you put it into perspective with South Africa's second innings of 230. The fact is we're not that bad, we can win test matches, but I think guys like Ponting need to realise that we're not the best team ij the world anymore and we probably won't be in his career. And South Africa are juuuust about to win (smith looks like he's going to get his century on the last ball)

Edit: Smith got his century and they need 1 to win. This is pretty depressing to watch

 

[jethro11]

God I'm glad they got they over with. It was like one big South African victory parade, with the commentators topping it off.

I wonder how many teams have been bowled out for under a hundred in the first innings, and then won the test by 8 wickets?

Johnson was bloody frustrating though. Almost going at a run a ball when we really need some tightness to hold them back a little. Oh well, lets talk about something else.

 

[PAFC_04]

As I said, I haven't been able to watch any of the game so I can only really comment on assumptions. From what I had heard/read and looking at the first 3 innings it looked as though it should've been a close finish. From what I was commenting on I did not see as embarrassing. Now that its over I'll admit its a pretty bad effort but from what we've shown in the one dayers and in the Sri Lankan series we're not that bad. Regardless, I still don't see the arrogance that you all speak of.
END OF TOPIC

What are you guys up to this weekend? I have nothing at all planned

 

[jethro11]

Cricket

And then I might head down to Sandy if the weathers nice

 

[Silent Alarm]

Why must I support the Australian cricket team? What binds me to them? I love my country. I am proud to live in a country of such freedom, opportunity... I think we all are. I'm not radical or dumb enough to get a southern cross tattoo, but, yeah, I like this country. Just because I hate our cricket team doesn't make me less Australian. I have no need to barrack for a certain team.

Perhaps I have some cultural awareness and maturity and can separate and distinguish what I like and what I don't. You seem to be swayed by implanted norms. Naive, is what I would say. Which is why you're the kind of person I just couldn't befriend.

I blatantly said that a captain should spur on his side. "[Other team] simply outplayed us. They're a side we hold a lot of respect for. Our boys were unlucky and I think we really gave it to them at times, but they were simply better. I know my side is capable of beating them, but we have to learn from better sides". That is a respectable, balanced post-match spiel. Ponting talked about the misfortunes of Australia, and rarely showed respect to some great opposition individual cricketers and teams.

You are regurgitating what i'm saying. Yet you are implying, and stating, that I never said it, or said it slightly differently. I said confidence is essential to being a good sportsman. Yet being so overtly stubborn and unsportsmanlike is poor form. Inexcusably poor form.

You can't disguise the fact that making under 50 runs is terrible. The fact you won't acknowledge this is staggeringly one-eyed. Australia did not play well. They were outplayed by South Africa, regardless of the calibre of the Proteas.

PAFC, I don't know why I argue with you. We're nothing alike. But I just find you're a little immature and obnoxious. I understand and respect your (differing) opinion. Yet the way you go about arguing points makes me resent you a little.