Play Nice Random Chat Thread: Episode III

[koshari]

Andrew Wilkie calls for broader inquiry into Crown Casino allegations

Sarah Ferguson presents Australia's premier daily current affairs program, delivering agenda-setting public affairs journalism and interviews that hold the powerful to account. Plus political analysis from Laura Tingle.

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Completely agree with Wilkie on this.

Xenophon was basically trying to call out the gamling industry for years.

 

[ferball]

Yeah, I thought it was crap and that's why I posted it.



All science is art.

No arts degree is science.

Science is fundamentally opposite to art.

 

[ferball]

Yeah, I would agree that all science is art. Except for when people clone their pets.

Do you guys know what science is or how to do it (and yes I know you do so youse obviously have no idea about art .)

 

[ferball]

Poor people should really stop having more children.

Some people should really stop having more poor children. Its verging on abuse to force a child to have that tomato-headed cretin as a father.

 

[ferball]

Originally a whistleblower over the Iraqi intelligence gaffe.

Don't completey agree with his politics, but he's one of the few Australian politicians I will listen to with great attention.

There are very few politicians with any credibility but he is one of them.

 

[SlyCunnington]

Science is fundamentally opposite to art.

Generally agree, but Gallileo (sp?)?

 

[SlyCunnington]

Sorry DaVinci.

 

[koshari]

Science is fundamentally opposite to art.

yes and no, mathematics is technically an arm of science, and most of the Moorish art is based on mathematics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_geometric_patterns

 

[ferball]

iam going through the process of standing up a hayshed atm, you wouldn't believe the bureaucracy involved. it will cost more in compliance than actually building the shed.

Really. I have been writing fire permits for decades and try to be as loose and irregular about it as I can be.

BUT...

Only if I trust those people to not burn the valley down. There's plenty who don't get that leeway. Anyway i recently heard you can't build a house within 50 metres of a food tree for a koala in my council area. Which is stupid cos that attitude is responsible for a local infestation of that new exotic borer Roundupicus Monsantus.

 

[ferball]

yes and no, mathematics is technically an arm of science, and most of the Moorish art is based on mathematics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_geometric_patterns

Yeah but its not actually science is it.

Its not making repeatable measurements to make meaningful and statistically accurate statements about measureable aspects of reality.

 

[ferball]

Sorry DaVinci.

You can do both if you put your mind to it but one is a rigorous disciple and the other is the western world forcing its opinion on everyone else.

 

[koshari]

Really. I have been writing fire permits for decades and try to be as loose and irregular about it as I can be.

BUT...

Only if I trust those people to not burn the valley down. There's plenty who don't get that leeway. Anyway i recently heard you can't build a house within 50 metres of a food tree for a koala in my council area. Which is stupid cos that attitude is responsible for a local infestation of that new exotic borer Roundupicus Monsantus.

Iam looking at applying for a building permit in the future so i have to be pretty much squeeky clean with the council. i also have to construct a rural crossover as well and there is a wooded verge between the property and the adjacent road that will require removal of some vegetation, at present access to our property is via a neighbors gate. more bureaucracy... i will need an environmental impact from delwp. and 2 of the 3 trees are dead! one is actually dangerous and has a sailer hanging up in it. all this at our expense and these trees are not even on our property. and the fact we have 3 acres of native bushland which we have preserved and maintain means nothing.

meanwhile a bloke i work with already has a house on his property so he just builds stuff at his descresion. he says its better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission.

 

[Themanbun]

ABC NEWS:

The Federal Government has confirmed it had an agreement with Crown Casinos to fast-track short stay visa applications for Chinese visitors.

Un-be-leave-able.

Sums up what is wrong in the world.

Rewind back to the conversation where someone on here was insisting that Australia is less corrupt than other parts of the world that have a reputation for it.

 

[ferball]

Iam looking at applying for a building permit in the future so i have to be pretty much squeeky clean with the council. i also have to construct a rural crossover as well and there is a wooded verge between the property and the adjacent road that will require removal of some vegetation, at present access to our property is via a neighbors gate. more bureaucracy... i will need an environmental impact from delwp. and 2 of the 3 trees are dead! one is actually dangerous and has a sailer hanging up in it. all this at our expense and these trees are not even on our property. and the fact we have 3 acres of native bushland which we have preserved and maintain means nothing.

meanwhile a bloke i work with already has a house on his property so he just builds stuff at his descresion. he says its better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission.

I was thinking exactly that.

I get where you are coming from. I've been renting this house for decades and council changed sub division regulations on the sly over a decade ago while I was negotiating with the previous owner about cutting a few acres off. He died and the estate sold the place cos they didn't want to keep up the negotiations and deal with council then council came in and audited the propery so now everything will need to go thru them at some point. On top of that the latest building inspector is from a city somewhere.

****en nightmare. If I didn't love this exact spot so much....

 

[ferball]

Rewind back to the conversation where someone on here was insisting that Australia is less corrupt than other parts of the world that have a reputation for it.

It is.

We have things like the rescue helicoptor. In other parts of the world that money disappears.

 

[koshari]

Rewind back to the conversation where someone on here was insisting that Australia is less corrupt than other parts of the world that have a reputation for it.

i always maintained our country is just as corrupt as any other, at least the other countries are open about it. we are fooling ourselves if we dont acknowledge lobby groups dont run the country.
heres a good read/listen.

Where does the real power lie? - ABC listen

Who has the most influence on government and politics in Australia? The citizens or the lobbyists?

www.abc.net.au

 

[Themanbun]

i always maintained our country is just as corrupt as any other, at least the other countries are open about it. we are fooling ourselves if we dont acknowledge lobby groups dont run the country.
heres a good read/listen.

Where does the real power lie? - ABC listen

Who has the most influence on government and politics in Australia? The citizens or the lobbyists?

www.abc.net.au

Agreed. We are excellent marketers of ourselves.

Reading this article now, cheers.

 

[ferball]

Xenophon was basically trying to call out the gamling industry for years.

I seem to recall Xenophon and Wilkie both being anti gambling for a very long time, and working together too.

 

[koshari]

We are excellent marketers of ourselves.

some of us are,
so much so that we breeze our way into into plumb jobs in industry as soon as we leave politics,

Of course its purely a coincidence that pyne now works in defence, bishop in foreign relations and rob was working for the chinese. :stern look.

sarcastic hat now off, our political landscape is a blatent cess pool.

 

[koshari]

I seem to recall Xenophon and Wilkie both being anti gambling for a very long time, and working together too.

yes indeed, unfortunately we were about 73 other independents short of having a lower house that actually acted for their constituents rather than the party they are aligned and dependent on lobby money to.

because this is what they were up against...

Liquor and gaming lobby pumped more than $1m into Liberal, Labor and far-right parties

Australian Hotels Association gave highest amount in seven years, with bulk going to Liberal and National parties

www.theguardian.com

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Rewind back to the conversation where someone on here was insisting that Australia is less corrupt than other parts of the world that have a reputation for it.

That crap filled argument about perceptions versus statistics and you deliberately misconstruing a number of my points, fun times.

Not that you give a crap, but one example of political corruption and using it as an example in an attempt to prove a much wider argument is lazy and convenient.

'Someone?' Really?

 

[ferball]

i always maintained our country is just as corrupt as any other, at least the other countries are open about it. we are fooling ourselves if we dont acknowledge lobby groups dont run the country.
heres a good read/listen.

Where does the real power lie? - ABC listen

Who has the most influence on government and politics in Australia? The citizens or the lobbyists?

www.abc.net.au

There's plenty of corruption in Australia but not on the scale of some other places.

As bad as Adani is they haven't been trafficking in 12 year old girls or selling 13 year old boys to warlords. Or killing people in their homes if they organise for unions or environmental groups. Matthew Guy may go to parties hosted by the ndrangheta but he isn't actually a member.

 

[ferball]

Not saying that stuff is okay but its not as bad as it could be and if more Australians took more time to be aware of what happened and then took action it then it'd be alot less of a problem.

We have a country with some infrastructure that can deal with that sort of thing if we get off our collective arses.

Do it in the Philippines and you're shot in the head for dealing meth.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

There's plenty of corruption in Australia but not on the scale of some other places.

As bad as Adani is they haven't been trafficking in 12 year old girls or selling 13 year old boys to warlords. Or killing people in their homes if they organise for unions or environmental groups. Matthew Guy may go to parties hosted by the ndrangheta but he isn't actually a member.

Which was my original, albeit long winded, point.

 

[ferball]

Which was my original, albeit long winded, point.

Did this happen over the last month or so while I was really busy and didn't get on here much?

Look I've seen alot of full on stuff that i'm never gonna talk about on here and no doubt some of you remember some of the things I have talked about as a comparison ... in Australia it might get to the point where a mayor of a small city or country town or small suburb might be very connected to organised (or more accurately dis-organised) crime. But even in places like the Gold Coast and Qld in general its still not like other parts of the world where there is nothing remotely like our legal system and the transparency (opaque as it can get) that goes with it.