Play Nice Random Chat Thread: Episode III

[Val Keating]

The thing that I find interesting is that we know who the minds behind socialism, Marxism, communism etc are but who are the bastards behind capitalism?

 

[ferball]

The thing that I find interesting is that we know who the minds behind socialism, Marxism, communism etc are but who are the bastards behind capitalism?

Romans? Probably earlier.

The minds behind those other things were a reaction to capitalism especially in its industrialised form.

Capitalism is just some campaigner with more guns (or spears) cornering the market and getting someone else to wear the costs of the enterprise. Its been around forever.


Capitalism isn't the market. Its using the market to maintain power. Once you own an industry that process becomes incredibly ramped up. Slavery was a capitalist practice but it paled in terms of effectiveness compared to using (cheap easily accessible) oil and engines.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Depends on what you define as "capitalism"

In it's purest form it's a random process.

 

[giantroo]

Another truce deal, this time with Russia.

 

[The Warlord]

The thing that I find interesting is that we know who the minds behind socialism, Marxism, communism etc are but who are the bastards behind capitalism?

The current neoliberal version - Hayek, Von Mises, Murray Rothbard.

Ayn Rand for the idiots.

 

[The Warlord]

The thing that I find interesting is that we know who the minds behind socialism, Marxism, communism etc are but who are the bastards behind capitalism?

And if you're looking for a good description of the fundamentals, Adam Smith and The Wealth of Nations is your best bet.

He would be appalled by this current shitshow.

 

[Val Keating]

Is this enough to impeach him? Pretty damning

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/diplomat-who-raised-alarm-about-withholding-aid-to-ukraine-testifies-in-impeachment-probe/2019/10/22/086fb850-f436-11e9-8cf0-4cc99f74d127_story.html

 

[The Warlord]

Have you ever read Wolf Hall and Bring Up The Bodies? Brilliant stuff.

There's a great bit in that where Henry (King Henry VIII) and Cromwell are discussing an imminent military matter and Henry starts crapping on about honour, and the joust and how England will rise.

And Cromwell, a merchant and educated man, is thinking of the time he spent in the "counting houses" of Florence and Antwerp, and how armies are decided by how many cannon and men you have, and how you feed them and how you pay for them, and how you pay the interest on the loans you need to get to pay for them.

That's capitalism.

 

[The Warlord]

Is this enough to impeach him? Pretty damning

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/diplomat-who-raised-alarm-about-withholding-aid-to-ukraine-testifies-in-impeachment-probe/2019/10/22/086fb850-f436-11e9-8cf0-4cc99f74d127_story.html

Yep, enough to convict too. Whether the Senate does is another matter.

 

[The Warlord]

 

[goalieboy82]

we have had a lot of rain here the last few days so:

 

[ferball]

The current neoliberal version - Hayek, Von Mises, Murray Rothbard.

Ayn Rand for the idiots.

"The Austrian School"

Look it up Val.

Murray Rothbard... Lol.

How'd Somalia work out for you Murray?

Highest rates of infant mortality and some of the lowest rates of literacy on earth at the time. Dispute resolution systems didn't really function outside of small groups and life expectancy dropped during the anarchy in Somalia.

However it could be argued (and Rothbard and other anarcho capitalists did argue) that the centralised state being gone was actually good for Somalian society.

Some of what they said was worthwhile but as a test case it did reveal the limits of an anarchist society and the only structure (or non state law) in society came from traditional indigenous systems of law that operated independently of any state set up and had for a long time previously. It would be difficult to see that sort of system working anywhere it wasn't already established.

What happened in Somalia was one of the things that showed me the limits of anarchist societies. In many ways they rely on good will and good faith between people and power devolves to the ability to bring the most effective violence.

 

[ferball]

we have had a lot of rain here the last few days so:
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Can you send us some please.

 

[ferball]

Less than 5 years ago they shot down a Russian plane.

Didn't back down to Russia now Russia is helping them do their dirty work.

Turkey is an interesting place and has been for a while.

 

[goalieboy82]

Can you send us some please.

 

[Val Keating]

Lol

 

[Snake_Baker]

Lol

That's "Doctor" Rachel McKinnon to you.

Thesis: Reasonable Assertions: On Norms of Assertion and Why You Don't Need to Know What You're Talking About.

Another academic fraud.

 

[The Warlord]

Oh Christ not you too.

 

[The Warlord]

"The Austrian School"

Look it up Val.

Murray Rothbard... Lol.

How'd Somalia work out for you Murray?

Highest rates of infant mortality and some of the lowest rates of literacy on earth at the time. Dispute resolution systems didn't really function outside of small groups and life expectancy dropped during the anarchy in Somalia.

However it could be argued (and Rothbard and other anarcho capitalists did argue) that the centralised state being gone was actually good for Somalian society.

Some of what they said was worthwhile but as a test case it did reveal the limits of an anarchist society and the only structure (or non state law) in society came from traditional indigenous systems of law that operated independently of any state set up and had for a long time previously. It would be difficult to see that sort of system working anywhere it wasn't already established.

What happened in Somalia was one of the things that showed me the limits of anarchist societies. In many ways they rely on good will and good faith between people and power devolves to the ability to bring the most effective violence.

I have no doubt that small anarcho-capitalist communities of like minded people could be very successful.

Same way that small communities of like minded communists can be very successful.

As a means of governing a large modern polity, neither have a snowball's hope in hell and both lead quickly to warlordism.

 

[Groin guru]

That's "Doctor" Rachel McKinnon to you.

Thesis: Reasonable Assertions: On Norms of Assertion and Why You Don't Need to Know What You're Talking About.

Another academic fraud.

I'd like to have sat in on that thesis defense. Probably don't have them with fluff PhD's.

 

[Snake_Baker]

I'd like to have sat in on that thesis defense. Probably don't have them with fluff PhD's.

Do they even bother with such processes for woo woo academia?

 

[Groin guru]

Do they even bother with such processes for woo woo academia?

Probably not. I know universities chop and change policies from time to time and in those departments, it's probably seen as "too stressful" so they do away with it.

 

[Val Keating]

That's "Doctor" Rachel McKinnon to you.

Thesis: Reasonable Assertions: On Norms of Assertion and Why You Don't Need to Know What You're Talking About.

Another academic fraud.

The other cyclists would be filthy.

 

[ferball]

I have no doubt that small anarcho-capitalist communities of like minded people could be very successful.

Same way that small communities of like minded communists can be very successful.

As a means of governing a large modern polity, neither have a snowball's hope in hell and both lead quickly to warlordism.

Which is what happened in Somalia iirc.

 

[Snake_Baker]