Play Nice Random Chat Thread: Episode III

[Sopwiths North]

That’s pretty moving, but nothing will stop the international arms race. It sucks but it’s the truth.
Those Japanese citizens were constantly asked to leave but pride made them stay. Even when Allied planes flew over and dropped letters telling them to get out before they were bombed, they chose to stay. War is awful and brutal. To win a country needs to be the most awful and brutal.

If the major Powers stopped advancing their weapons capabilities, then they lose their spot in the food chain.

Unlike WW1, where the conditions left no other option but WW2, I feel like after ww2, the people that pull the strings learned that another war on that scale would destroy everybody’s economy.

There's always the option for no war.

Nah, you're right to an extent Val, in that we're a species who continually operates from a base of fear, but I do feel that we'd been heading towards a bit of a paradigm shift with graft like the Iran nuclear deal, as tenuous as it may have been. I don't feel that Rouhani, or Putin, or Xi, or even Kim Jon want any part of a nuclear war. Neither does Trump, but he's enough of an imbecile and egomaniac to throw the toys out of the cot on the Iran deal, and no amount of photo-ops with Kim will make up for that.

I live in constant hope that we can change. But we've got to shift our paradigm out of fear and in to love. But to do that takes trust. And trust takes time. And I worry that we just don't have enough time. As it stands now, it's climate change that's either going to kill us or help us to love one another a bit more. I don't think it'll be nuclear war.

And yeah, I know that I sound melodramatic when I go on like this. But it's truly how I feel. Our paradigm must shift away from the pissing contests of ego-driven fools, and the myth that the economy is the be all and end all to our existence. We won't survive if it doesn't.

 

[ferball]

You’re being facetious aren’t you?

I was when I typed it but on reflection...

He shot up a building with an assault rifle in uptown Washington. Two years earlier a 12 year old kid was shot in a park for playing with a toy gun. That kid was black and was shot before the cops' vehicle even stopped. This bloke was surrounded by coppers after shooting up a building with an AR-15.

 

[ferball]

There's always the option for no war.

Nah, you're right to an extent Val, in that we're a species who continually operates from a base of fear, but I do feel that we'd been heading towards a bit of a paradigm shift with graft like the Iran nuclear deal, as tenuous as it may have been. I don't feel that Rouhani, or Putin, or Xi, or even Kim Jon want any part of a nuclear war. Neither does Trump, but he's enough of an imbecile and egomaniac to throw the toys out of the cot on the Iran deal, and no amount of photo-ops with Kim will make up for that.

I live in constant hope that we can change. But we've got to shift our paradigm out of fear and in to love. But to do that takes trust. And trust takes time. And I worry that we just don't have enough time. As it stands now, it's climate change that's either going to kill us or help us to love one another a bit more. I don't think it'll be nuclear war.

And yeah, I know that I sound melodramatic when I go on like this. But it's truly how I feel. Our paradigm must shift away from the pi**ing contests of ego-driven fools, and the myth that the economy is the be all and end all to our existence. We won't survive if it doesn't.

Modern human societies promote pyschopaths. Its a systemic flaw in large societies. As soon as you can fake empathy you can con people. And once a society is large enough that everyone doesn't actually know everyone else day to day, week to week for their whole lives then empathy is relatively easy to fake. especially now we have modern media. Provided you keep it together in public and aren't actually photographed with gnawing on random children's limbs you'll probably be okay.

But modern societies also seem to have a large proportion of narcissists in power. I dunno what that means for nuclear war.

I don't think we have a sense of duty or committment to others any more. Once upon a time that was a staple of peoples politics whatever "side" they were on.

 

[Val Keating]

It matters for those that are interested in wider trends, but I tend to agree.

When you starting comparing global body counts of shootings and political violence as some point scoring exercise against your opponents, then you have to start questioning your own morality.

I’d hope whoever is studying the trends is looking past the political views & allegiances.
Most of these people are pathetic losers full of self loathing. Spose with the internet it’s easier for them to find each other and create echo chambers where they radicalise each other further.

There's always the option for no war.

Nah, you're right to an extent Val, in that we're a species who continually operates from a base of fear, but I do feel that we'd been heading towards a bit of a paradigm shift with graft like the Iran nuclear deal, as tenuous as it may have been. I don't feel that Rouhani, or Putin, or Xi, or even Kim Jon want any part of a nuclear war. Neither does Trump, but he's enough of an imbecile and egomaniac to throw the toys out of the cot on the Iran deal, and no amount of photo-ops with Kim will make up for that.

I live in constant hope that we can change. But we've got to shift our paradigm out of fear and in to love. But to do that takes trust. And trust takes time. And I worry that we just don't have enough time. As it stands now, it's climate change that's either going to kill us or help us to love one another a bit more. I don't think it'll be nuclear war.

And yeah, I know that I sound melodramatic when I go on like this. But it's truly how I feel. Our paradigm must shift away from the pi**ing contests of ego-driven fools, and the myth that the economy is the be all and end all to our existence. We won't survive if it doesn't.

It’s an interesting question, what will get us first? Nuclear winter or climate change? I don’t trust humanity to prevent either

 

[ferball]

I’d hope whoever is studying the trends is looking past the political views & allegiances.
Most of these people are pathetic losers full of self loathing. Spose with the internet it’s easier for them to find each other and create echo chambers where they radicalise each other further.



It’s an interesting question, what will get us first? Nuclear winter or climate change? I don’t trust humanity to prevent either

Why can't we have both. They'll cancel each other out and the population should fall far enough that the massive resource crunch we're facing won't be an issue. #makingmisanthropyworkforyou

 

[ferball]

BTW If you're wondering about nuclear winter there might be one happening soon:

India's government has revoked the special status of India-administered Kashmir, in a move that risks fuelling already heightened tensions with neighbouring Pakistan.Monday's presidential decree revokes Article 370 of India's constitution that guaranteed special rights to the Muslim-majority state, including its right to its own constitution and decision-making process for all matters except defence, communications and foreign affairs.In the lead-up to its move, India sent thousands of additional troops to the region, imposing a curfew on parts of it, shutting down telecommunications and arresting political leaders.Both New Delhi and Islamabad claim Kashmir in full, but rule it in part. The nuclear-armed neighbours have fought two of their three wars over the disputed territory.

 

[Val Keating]

BTW If you're wondering about nuclear winter there might be one happening soon:

India's government has revoked the special status of India-administered Kashmir, in a move that risks fuelling already heightened tensions with neighbouring Pakistan.Monday's presidential decree revokes Article 370 of India's constitution that guaranteed special rights to the Muslim-majority state, including its right to its own constitution and decision-making process for all matters except defence, communications and foreign affairs.In the lead-up to its move, India sent thousands of additional troops to the region, imposing a curfew on parts of it, shutting down telecommunications and arresting political leaders.Both New Delhi and Islamabad claim Kashmir in full, but rule it in part. The nuclear-armed neighbours have fought two of their three wars over the disputed territory.

Great

 

[Val Keating]

Coincidentally Bernie Sanders just did JRE and spoke a fair bit about climate change.

 

[tazaa]

BTW If you're wondering about nuclear winter there might be one happening soon:

India's government has revoked the special status of India-administered Kashmir, in a move that risks fuelling already heightened tensions with neighbouring Pakistan.Monday's presidential decree revokes Article 370 of India's constitution that guaranteed special rights to the Muslim-majority state, including its right to its own constitution and decision-making process for all matters except defence, communications and foreign affairs.In the lead-up to its move, India sent thousands of additional troops to the region, imposing a curfew on parts of it, shutting down telecommunications and arresting political leaders.Both New Delhi and Islamabad claim Kashmir in full, but rule it in part. The nuclear-armed neighbours have fought two of their three wars over the disputed territory.

India is ****ed.
They are becoming increasingly more right wing as attributed to their elected politicians and racist sympathizers with what’s occurring in Kashmir. Its just a really ugly political landscape over there.

They are using their issues with Pakistan as a front to demonize Indian sheikhs and frighteningly becoming Israeli sympathizers as they see the occupation of Gaza and the West Bank as similar to their issues with Pakistan.

They are in no way similar or even relevant but that’s India for you in 2019

 

[Del191229]

There’s reports he was taking a heap of uppers like meth and coke, and was also taking downers like opioids and benzos. Pretty much the diet of a Hollywood movie star.

Eukodal, look it up.

 

[Del191229]

India is f’ed.
They are becoming increasingly more right wing as attributed to their elected politicians and racist sympathizers with what’s occurring in Kashmir. Its just a really ugly political landscape over there.

They are using their issues with Pakistan as a front to demonize Indian sheikhs and frighteningly becoming Israeli sympathizers as they see the occupation of Gaza and the West Bank as similar to their issues with Pakistan.

They are in no way similar or even relevant but that’s India for you in 2019

Oh yeah, Hindu fascism is on the rise.

 

[The Other Dean]

Eukodal, look it up.

Beat me to it.

Old-school oxy.

And as Val mentioned earlier, meth in the form of 'Pervitin'.

Dude was peaking.

 

[ferball]

India is f’ed.
They are becoming increasingly more right wing as attributed to their elected politicians and racist sympathizers with what’s occurring in Kashmir. Its just a really ugly political landscape over there.

They are using their issues with Pakistan as a front to demonize Indian sheikhs and frighteningly becoming Israeli sympathizers as they see the occupation of Gaza and the West Bank as similar to their issues with Pakistan.

They are in no way similar or even relevant but that’s India for you in 2019

Hindutva campaigners are ruining everything for everyone.

 

[ferball]

The Indian PM - Modi is also a murderous skunk. (This is not any form of support for Pakistan either, I don't know enough about why their politicians are **** wits, that's all.)

 

[Del191229]

Beat me to it.

Old-school oxy.

And as Val mentioned earlier, meth in the form of 'Pervitin'.

Dude was peaking.

Someone wrote a book on it recently.

Goering was a morphine addict as well.

 

[tazaa]

Oh yeah, Hindu fascism is on the rise.

Hindutva campaigners are ruining everything for everyone.

Usually those nations who have a history of colonial invasion, much like what India went through with Britain - would sympathize with others who suffered a similar plight.
South Africa’s solidarity with Palestine over apartheid being an obvious one.

Kashmir will be ground zero soon enough if the current trend continues

 

[ferball]

The long-simmering crisis of credibility in the Indian news media reached a boiling point in the weeks following the deadly terrorist attack in Pulwama, Jammu & Kashmir last month.India’s television stations dispensed with even basic journalistic rules, as seasoned reporters declared unequivocal allegiances and experienced editors parroted exaggerated claims. Theatrics abounded, with toy-gun totting warrior anchors in army fatigues drumming up an atmosphere of hate and violent jingoism.

 

[The Other Dean]

Someone wrote a book on it recently.

Goering was a morphine addict as well.

Yep, big time. If you're to believe the stories, he was even nicknamed 'Moring' by those who knew him.

 

[ferball]

Oh yeah, Hindu fascism is on the rise.

basically cos Modi got away with all that stuff in Gujarat nearly 20 years ago.

 

[Del191229]

Yep, big time. If you're to believe the stories, he was even nicknamed 'Moring' by those who knew him.

To be fair, in that time, lots of average punters were addicts and got their gear from the chemist.

 

[Snake_Baker]

To be fair, in that time, lots of average punters were addicts and got their gear from the chemist.

".........combined amphetamine production for civilian use by SKF and Clark & Clark in late 1945 must have stood between 13 million and 55 million tablets monthly and may be conservatively estimated at about 30 million tablets monthly, each containing 5 to 10 mg of amphetamine salts.This national (civilian) consumption rate for the United States in 1945 was sufficient to supply half a million Americans with 2 tablets daily, the standard dosage schedule for depression and weight loss. Past-year use in 1946 would have almost certainly been higher, because many were only occasional users." - “Untitled Quarterly Royalty Reports”; Rasmussen, On Speed, chap 4; SKF v Clark & Clark, Records of Case No. C-2311 (1943), US District Court, New Jersey, US National Archives Administration.

".........According to FDA manufacturer surveys, by 1962, US production reached an estimated 80000 kg of amphetamine salts, corresponding to consumption of 43 standard 10-mg doses per person per year on a total-population basis.Thus, in amphetamine alone, the United States in the early 1960s was using nearly as much psychotropic medication as the 65 doses per person per year in the present decade that social critics today find so extraordinary." - Senate Subcommittee on Health, Hearing on Control of Psychotoxic Drugs (S. 2628), 88th Cong, 2nd Sess, August 3, 1964:21–37; Historical National Population Estimates.

 

[Snake_Baker]

80

Tonnes

Of

Amphetamine

Per

Year

 

[Del191229]

80

Tonnes

Of

Amphetamine

Per

Year

And that's pure, medicinal grade.

Jump on that 10 to one ...

 

[Del191229]

".........combined amphetamine production for civilian use by SKF and Clark & Clark in late 1945 must have stood between 13 million and 55 million tablets monthly and may be conservatively estimated at about 30 million tablets monthly, each containing 5 to 10 mg of amphetamine salts.This national (civilian) consumption rate for the United States in 1945 was sufficient to supply half a million Americans with 2 tablets daily, the standard dosage schedule for depression and weight loss. Past-year use in 1946 would have almost certainly been higher, because many were only occasional users." - “Untitled Quarterly Royalty Reports”; Rasmussen, On Speed, chap 4; SKF v Clark & Clark, Records of Case No. C-2311 (1943), US District Court, New Jersey, US National Archives Administration.

".........According to FDA manufacturer surveys, by 1962, US production reached an estimated 80000 kg of amphetamine salts, corresponding to consumption of 43 standard 10-mg doses per person per year on a total-population basis.Thus, in amphetamine alone, the United States in the early 1960s was using nearly as much psychotropic medication as the 65 doses per person per year in the present decade that social critics today find so extraordinary." - Senate Subcommittee on Health, Hearing on Control of Psychotoxic Drugs (S. 2628), 88th Cong, 2nd Sess, August 3, 1964:21–37; Historical National Population Estimates.

Mot only that but heroin was legal in Australia til the 50 and in Britain until the 1971 Misuse of Drugs Act

The Hon. Stanley Lee Jones states on the website of the Foundation:

If heroin were legal today, as it was in 1953, society would not have a drug problem. I talked to a former member for Monaro who was a chemist and who dispensed heroin in the 1950s. He said he had no problems with his customers when heroin was legal. In those days 70 per cent of crime was not associated with drug prohibition: It did not exist because heroin was legal. The problems began only when heroin became illegal and a criminal fraternity developed around its sale, as occurred during the prohibition era of the 1930s when criminals made money by selling illegal alcohol. When there is a profit motive involved people will push any illegal substance. That is the key problem: If there were no profit motive there would be no incentive to push drugs on the streets of Cabramatta or anywhere else. When people finally realise that they will find a solution to the drug problem.

 

[Val Keating]

India is f’ed.
They are becoming increasingly more right wing as attributed to their elected politicians and racist sympathizers with what’s occurring in Kashmir. Its just a really ugly political landscape over there.

They are using their issues with Pakistan as a front to demonize Indian sheikhs and frighteningly becoming Israeli sympathizers as they see the occupation of Gaza and the West Bank as similar to their issues with Pakistan.

They are in no way similar or even relevant but that’s India for you in 2019

India only really have a problem with Muslims. They’re moving away from the secular political system instigated by Ghandhi and through Modi are headed for the type of setup Savarkar was pushing. It would be a step backwards considering how far India has come over the last 70 years or so.