Play Nice Random Chat Thread IV

[Snake_Baker]

It appears we have our own version of Godwin's Law on this board - as a discussion grows longer, the probability of you referring to Syria approaches 1.

It's a very fashionable topic around inner city designer beer establishments.

 

[DesertRoo]

Not US but still funny as ****..

 

[Tectonic]

It's a very fashionable topic around inner city designer beer establishments.

 

[Snake_Baker]

NUMBER ONE!!!

 

[Tas]

Tas institutionalised racism is embedded; one edge case can’t refute this analysis.

What analysis?

So you accept the fact that you are subconsciously racist? Are you a racist?

tbh I think it is a lot of bullshit and I think a lot of social justice intent is to fragment society and they use harmful rhetoric to put people at odds based on differences be it gender or race, because the old class playbook died out with communism. I dodn't think that any of this crap helps people to find their path through life, it just fills them with resentment.

Take this from my obvious subconsciously racist heart, someone I admire greatly is Kevin Hart, the black american comedian. I know people don't have the attention span to watch a 2hr20min podcast, but I have always loved his attitude, the way he thinks, the way he applied himself. He is truly an inspiration, people should watch at least the early part of this interview with Joe Rogan. It doesn't matter how smart or how dumb you are, knowledge is everything, how you apply yourself is everything. What he has is something anyone can have, can aspire to become and if he instils that on his family then he will have built a foundation for his kids to achieve something better and if they also make the same sacrifice his grand kids can go that step further.

That is how cultures rise, everyone hated the Jews for thousands of years, they were subjected to horrors none of us can imagine but they persisted and the built strong family ties and strong community ties and they did more than just survive. Asians do the same thing. This white patriarchal hegemony has been more beneficial to non-whites. You just can't get anywhere if you believe or are convinced by others that you are a victim.

People should be angry that a militarised police force is creating violence, and the actual military may be brought in. Peaceful protestors were tear gassed so a photo op to white nationalists could be staged. Keep this in mind next time you hear shrieking about right wing tweets being deleted.

There will be consequences for people who break the law, police and civilians. A recent Poll has showed that a large majority of American voters (democrat and republican) support the use of the national guard against those rioting. A smaller majority, but still a majority, want the president to deploy the real military. As I said earlier, when the option is chaos or authoritarianism, the vast majority will beg for the authoritarian, it is the nature of fear. This violence will make it hard for Biden to win, regardless how crazy Trump is.

Of course antifa aren’t behind the violence or looting. They are a part of it. The main cause of violence is police.

Hmmm, I see a lot of violence and some dead people that aren't a result of the police. I think we have a handful of videos of police going too far, and we have a lot of violence that you are ignoring because it is inconvenient.

Those police will be dealt with. But the rioting happened a long time before the police did anything.

 

[tazaa]

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I know
Twas late

 

[Snake_Baker]

Snowflakes in full meltdown

 

[Snake_Baker]

tbh I think it is a lot of bullshit and I think a lot of social justice intent is to fragment society.............

aka "Useful Idiots"

............and to what aim?

TO SUBJUGATE THE TRUE WORKING CLASS WITH WEDGE POLITICS!!!!

That is all that these w***ers are doing.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Gridlock gets called out again!

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

There is a subtle, yet important difference between a death in custody and being killed whilst in custody.

 

[Tas]

Gridlock gets called out again!

Don't be too harsh on comrade Dan.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Don't be too harsh on comrade Dan.

He's a putrid bourgeois skunk!

 

[Val Keating]

When you realise the military haven’t got your back....

 

[DesertRoo]

Riots, white supremacy, and accelerationism

As protests sweep across the U.S., policymakers and law enforcement should keep a careful eye on whether white supremacists work to accelerate civil disorder.

www.brookings.edu

 

[Sopwiths North]

The western military isn't fascist. When centrists see violence, destruction, looting, they shift towards conservatism because the average punter wants to be safe, wants their kids to be safe, wants a safe environment... even those that are appalled at the death of the guy and police violence in general, they will shift to the right when they see the left is impotent at protecting them. The vast majority of black deaths are in democratic states and police is largely a state issue. I am not sure how people blame the police violence on Trump. Democratic state governments haven't stopped the deaths, black politicians haven't stopped the deaths, even Obama couldn't stop them.

You can't just allow people to burn down buildings, riot, loot and murder people. That is what Antifa wants, they are anarchists. They want the USA to crumble and if it does the lives of everyone there is going to take a nosedive and they will be begging fascists to come in and make them safe before it is over and if that does happen, someone will ascend who will make Trump look like Mary Poppins and they will thin the herd of people they have an irrational hatred towards.

This is so far off base Tas. Police brutality has been happening nationwide for generations upon generations. To call it a state issue is to turn your back on the reality of what is happening there, the way Trump has.

Antifa are not the issue. Black people are not blaming Trump. They've been living like this under hundreds of years of presidents.

"You can't just allow people to burn down buildings, riot, loot and murder people."

You're right. The protests started out as peaceful. They're trying to remain peaceful. But the police are continuing to meet protesters with increasingly brutal tactics nationwide, escalating the situation far more than any handful of (yet to be identified) ANTIFA. The president himself used tear gas and stun grenades to clear a group of PEACEFUL demonstrators so he could have a freaking photo op for ffs.

And murder people? The entire reason the protests started is because a white cop murdered an unarmed black man, slowly, deliberately, cruelly, while 3 of his fellow officers stood and watched.

Fascists are not going to take over the country. There's elements of it in the White House already, and this is the result. If anything, when the USA "crumbles", which it is in the process of right now, what follows will be institutions restructured to better and more fairly and truly serve the people. Protesting is about "We the People". Rioting is about a government's reactionary response.

 

[goalieboy82]

got a haircut today (remember those)
no longer this:

 

[Snake_Baker]

 

[Snake_Baker]

 

[goalieboy82]

all i am going to say to all of this going on:

 

[Snake_Baker]

Cha-Ching........

 

[Tas]

This is so far off base Tas. Police brutality has been happening nationwide for generations upon generations. To call it a state issue is to turn your back on the reality of what is happening there, the way Trump has.

Police brutality has existed as long as there has been police, everywhere in the world. It is not something unique to America. My point of the state issue is the state police is a state jurisdiction, say you are elected as president of the USA, if you attempted to force some kind of change to the police, you would be dragged to court and blocked, much like with what has happened every time Trump has attempted to do something he has lacked jurisdiction.

My amusement at the Trump derangement syndrome exists because in almost every facet Obama was as bad, if not worse, and nobody ever called out his shit. Because he has a silver tongue and understands the political game, people excused him for every atrocity under the sun, some felt they couldn't criticise him because he was black. I think if you treat people differently or hold them to a lesser standard you would someone else then to me that is soft racism, the bigotry of low expectation. I think if Trump said what people on the left wanted to hear but did what he has done regardless then people would have been less hysterical about him. If optics is the only issue then the country is never going to change.

The vast majority of black deaths come from Democratic strongholds and black people largely give the Democrats their votes by default regardless of their policies or their lack of track record in actually doing something to help them. Even though black people are only 13% of the population, they have significant political influence in the states where their numbers are concentrated, the same states which have violence issues, crime issues and police brutality issues. They need to use their political influence to get people elected who are actually going to produce results, regardless if those candidates are democrat, republican or independant. If you keep rewarding political parties that do nothing with your automatic vote, they are going to continue to do nothing because they have no incentive to elevate you out of the gutter if you living in the gutter guarantees them your vote.

The status quo has existed for so long because nobody is being forced to produce results. The president doesn't have the power to make the changes you think he can make, it has to come from state governments.

Antifa are not the issue. Black people are not blaming Trump. They've been living like this under hundreds of years of presidents.

The Minneapolis chief of police is Medaria Arradondo, a black man. Do you think he is all for police murdering civilians, particularly black civilians? He has been chief of police since 2017. His predecessor was Janee Harteau, she was native american, openly gay and female, she ticks all the diversity boxes, she resigned after the Australian woman was shot dead by a Somali-American police officer. Why aren't all these diverse people making any difference to the Minneapolis police force despite having an active role in employing, training and micromanaging these police officers. You think someone who has the macro responsibility to run the country can micromanage ever single police force?

If the black people don't blame trump, why are they marching on Washington? What do they expect him to do when he doesn't have any authority over the state based police forces. If Obama couldn't get anything done as a Democrat, what do people honestly think Trump can do?

"You can't just allow people to burn down buildings, riot, loot and murder people."

You're right. The protests started out as peaceful. They're trying to remain peaceful. But the police are continuing to meet protesters with increasingly brutal tactics nationwide, escalating the situation far more than any handful of (yet to be identified) ANTIFA. The president himself used tear gas and stun grenades to clear a group of PEACEFUL demonstrators so he could have a freaking photo op for ffs.

The protests started and continue to be peaceful.

I make the distinction between protestors and rioters/looters/thugs. I do not think they are the same people and there have been clashed between peaceful protestors and the other group as they do not want their protest associated with their criminal behaviour.

I do not believe for a minute that Floyd protestors are killing black people, like David Dorn, who was trying to protect a pawn store from being looted, or the many black business owners who had their businesses destroyed by rioters and looters. Do you think they are protesting Floyd's death by murdering black people and destroying business owned by black people?

I am not going to link it but there is video of Dorn's death, it is quite confronting and I think people need to see it if they are conflicted between the different groups. If you look at the violence inflicted on innocent civilians who had the misfortune of being in the way. To blame this on police or excuse their behaviour is surprising. They even took a puppy from a shelter, tortured it on live tv and ended up killing it by choking it to death. Calling these type of people animals is an insult to animals, animals do not know cruelty or malevolence at this level.

And murder people? The entire reason the protests started is because a white cop murdered an unarmed black man, slowly, deliberately, cruelly, while 3 of his fellow officers stood and watched.

Do you think people mourning Floyd's death and want to see justice are the same people killing black man like David Dorn?

Fascists are not going to take over the country. There's elements of it in the White House already, and this is the result. If anything, when the USA "crumbles", which it is in the process of right now, what follows will be institutions restructured to better and more fairly and truly serve the people. Protesting is about "We the People". Rioting is about a government's reactionary response.

People on the left have a neurotic fear of fascists, which do not exist in the Republican party, but are also the same people who covert with people who do not make any attempt to hide their batshit crazy authoritarian far left ideology. People should actually go to the Antifa website and see the kind of shit they stand for.

This fascist bogeyman doesn't exist, sane people across the world aren't afraid of a far right uprising, they are afraid of the far left lunatics, it is why almost every western country and shifting towards the right, it isn't because they want a fascist government, because we have safeguards to protect ourselves from fascists... it is the fear of the murderous regimes people on the left openly cavort with make excuses for their abhorrent behaviour. It is disturbing, to put it mildly.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

[QUOTE="Tas, post: 65321502]

People should actually go to the Antifa website and see the kind of shit they stand for..[/QUOTE]

You got a link?

 

[Snake_Baker]

This fascist bogeyman doesn't exist.............

Well, it must.

Otherwise, an entire branch of academia has no justifiable reason to exist.

 

[Del191229]

A military can not be fascist unless it is a jhunta, fascism is a form of government.

The Syrian war was started by Obama, Trump wanted to get out of the conflict. Does that make Obama the fascist and Trump the anti-fascist? :stern look

USA probably doesn't need oil from overseas any longer, they still import crude oil, but that is mostly to process it and export refined products because they have the capacity to. They have the largest shale oil reserves in the world and their love of fracking has significantly boosted their potential reserves.

Stick to defending child rapists.

I don't need you to copy and paste wiki on shit like this

 

[Val Keating]