Play Nice Random Chat Thread IV

[Tectonic]

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I'm absolutely shocked that white on white and black on black and other on other are the largest in their respective categories. Who woulda think that humans from the same demographic would be more commonly in violent confrontations.

 

[Hojuman]

Killing of Amadou Diallo - Wikipedia

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[Del191229]

Recall how the London riots in 2011 started after the cops shot a black guy dead.

 

[Val Keating]

I’ve just reseeded that

 

[the big lebowski]

Now do per capita. African Americans make up something like 13% over there

I admit my mind isn’t as sharp as it used to be, but wouldn’t a per capita table show black people committing murder is an epidemic.

Ie, there are less black people but they are still killing similar numbers to white people that make up way more of the population?

 

[Val Keating]

I admit my mind isn’t as sharp as it used to be, but wouldn’t a per capita table show black people committing murder is an epidemic.

Ie, there are less black people but they are still killing similar numbers to white people that make up way more of the population?

Yes. I was thinking about it backwards.

 

[Caracas]

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None of us can pretend to be surprised that there is far greater criminality amongst the under-privileged in any society. The bone of contention is how this should be dealt with/changed - right?


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[the big lebowski]

I enjoy rap music, but maybe that is also a cultural change that needs to occur in the African American community. Where gangster rappers are celebrated and their lyrics about shooting people are blasted across the airwaves.

On a per capita basis those stats indicate African American people are 10ish times more likely to shoot someone than a white person.

 

[the big lebowski]

None of us can pretend to be surprised that there is far greater criminality amongst the under-privileged in any society. The bone of contention is how this should be dealt with/changed - right?


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Have you got any stats about poverty in the US? I’m genuinely interested to see how many poor African American people there are to white people.

 

[DaveyBoy123]

I’ve just reseeded that

We had gas mains work done in our street a couple of weeks ago and our nature strips (we’re on a corner) resembled The Somme before they did their repair work. I’ve spent the past two weeks like Clint to ward off lawn seed eating pigeons and wayward exercise walkers from making tracks in the dirt/mud and seed. It’s become an obsession between homeschooling and work tasks while working from home.

You love the cameras, don't you Twinkletoes!?

 

[Tas]

What's disturbing is your insistence on twisting the horrific murder of an unarmed black man into some weird unrelated argument about left and right.

I am not twisting anything. Floyd's death was disgusting and it should never have happened and people should be upset and demand action, however, the police officer has been charged with murder and the three other cops who did nothing were charged with aiding and abetting murder, yet the protests go on despite the process of justice commencing, as you point out later it is less about Floyd and more about other political ideologies.

These protests are are about the deep historical structural problems of racism in the US. And yes, racially-based police brutality occurs elsewhere in the world, including here in Canada. It's why protests in solidarity are happening in over 50 countries right now.

So it is not really about Floyd?

I am sure there are racist people within any large population of people but generally speaking I believe it to be a soft racism that is born of ignorance and a lack of any meaningful interaction with communities that people hold these views against. I think it is very different to the type of racism that existed in the past.

Do some people with bad ideas treat minorities worse than they do others? Probably. Do they intend to go and murder people? I doubt it. Do I believe the Minnesota police force is racist and out there to murder black people? No. If you hold that belief then you must believe that the black chief of police is part of this "structural problems". Two of the four officers were of Asian descent, I must have missed the great Asian subjugation of black America. I guess everyone is caught up in this white supremacy, even the black chief of police and asian cops as well.

I think that the police force has an issue with competency, I've read some articles recently where the police is struggling to maintain their number of police, police are leaving faster than they can be recruited and there is forced overtime and in cities with high rates of crime there is significant levels of stress on police officers.

I think it was abhorrent what happened to Floyd, I felt the same way about the Australian lady who was shot dead by the same police force but I think blaming the system or society is a bit of a copout. These individuals failed their duty of care, unless there is a directive from the chain of command or an institutional acceptance of this type of behaviour then I think people are just looking to pander their own political agendas or ideologies. Saying this is a racial issue is insulting to people like the chief of police there who I am sure isn't advocating racial hatred of his own people.

People all over the world are just taking advantage of Floyd's death to push their own agenda, it is opportunism much like the rioters and looters.

In a way, Trump is a silver lining here. He's perhaps the most narcissistic and fundamentally incapable human being I've ever seen put in charge of a country. He's steering the ship right over the waterfall, and as a man who has never been known for his hubris, there's no reason to believe he'll attempt to change course. What comes from the fallout after he steers the ship off the edge, I can only pray is better for the country. Long overdue and meaningful change.

I think very little of Trump but he has performed about as well as I expected him to. He didn't have any grand dreams, he didn't make promises he didn't try to keep, there is obviously a large enough base there that want someone like him to lead the country. I was more disappointed with Obama, because he had a silver tongue, he talked the talk but didn't walk the walk. He spoke righteously but was completely ineffectual and corrupt, didn't even hide the fact he was leaving politics to go get his Wall street royalties for riding shotgun throughout his administration.

There is corruption but I think it is all about money and power, I do not believe it is about racial hatred. Before Sanders was running for office he used to say open borders was a Koch brother conspiracy to crash wages with a flood of unskilled workers, when he became a Democrat he was obviously pro open borders because a lot of unskilled migrants means more people who default to voting for Democrats.

FBI attorney general said that "the voices of peaceful protest are being hijacked by radical elements"

Trump blames Antifa and the radical left.
Minnesota governor blames domestic terrorists or foreign influences might be subverting peaceful protests and turning them to violence. He even hinted that white supremacists and drug cartels may be fueling the violence.

Everyone has an agenda, everyone has their own bogeyman. The problem is people aren't being held accountable for their own actions.

Groups like Antifa are just opportunists looking to gain political advantage, the people who loot and riot probably wouldn't have pissed on Floyd if he was on fire, they certainly didn't do anything other than video David Dorn as he was bleeding out on the street.

It's not left vs right. It's egoic imbecile at the helm vs human rights.

It isn't all left vs right, my point is people are suspicious about far right ideologies because of how harmful they are to society at large, yet we don't have the same level of awareness of toxic far left ideologies. Historically far left ideologies have been far more destructive than far right, if you use a body count as a metric for comparing vile ideologies.

I think the danger is how subverted left ideology has become. To highlight how blind the left has become to horrendous ideologies, a group got an academic journal to publish their rewrite of Mein Kampf as a feminist manifesto. https://www.timesofisrael.com/duped...-rewrite-of-mein-kampf-as-feminist-manifesto/

Do you think it would be remotely possible to do the same thing with any right wing group? Our guard is up when it comes to far right propaganda, it is not against far left propaganda and people will just parrot far left agenda without even realising what they are doing or what groups they are supporting believe and want the world to become. it is truly frightening how easy it is to manipulate even well educated people.

George Floyd was detained for being accused of trying to use a counterfeit 20 dollar bill. He was unarmed. He was handcuffed, and laid on the ground while 3 white police officers sat on top of him for 9 minutes, one with his knee over Mr. Floyd's neck. These 3 men sat on him without any care until he breathed his last breath and his bladder emptied out onto the pavement as he died.

This is not about left vs right politics. The focus needs to be kept on the issue at hand, which is racism. Political opportunism over this man's death deserves zero oxygen.

You first paragraph was spot on, you said this issue is racism, you have come to the conclusion that it is because of Floyd's race. You say it isn't about left vs right but you are just parroting left propaganda.

I don't know if race was a motivation. The four officers have been charged, they will get their day in court and I am sure they will concoct a bullshit story to justify their horrific actions. But I don't go for the race card when the Somali-African shot dead the white Australian woman. Black officers kill black civilians as well, it is not all about race then I assume.

People will come to whatever conclusions they want to believe, the reality is that people are largely incompetent and I am sure these police officers have mishandled the public of every race poorly in the past, nobody has croaked on them before now. It is more than likely not racism, nor is it likely political... that doesn't stop people injecting their own agenda into every situation.

 

[Caracas]

Have you got any stats about poverty in the US? I’m genuinely interested to see how many poor African American people there are to white people.

I dug this up. Hopefully, the link works.

Poverty Rate by Race/Ethnicity | KFF

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[Tectonic]

I dug this up. Hopefully, the link works.

Poverty Rate by Race/Ethnicity | KFF

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Wow, 28% of black people in Missouri fall under the poverty line.

Interestingly the places with the largest white poverty are the southern states, and Puerto Rico.

 

[Ry009]

Extremism shouldnt be pigeonholed into left vs right.

Like any subject or communication life, people immediately put the walls up if you speak or act like a campaigner when getting their point across. That's human nature.

 

[Snake_Baker]

I dug this up. Hopefully, the link works.

Poverty Rate by Race/Ethnicity | KFF

www.kff.org

Anyone who disputes this needs their head read, BUT...............poor whites are just as miserable as poor blacks are just as miserable as poor Hispanics are................

When Western left wing politics meaningfully concerns itself with this, I will return to the fold.

THIS is THE issue!

 

[the big lebowski]

I dug this up. Hopefully, the link works.

Poverty Rate by Race/Ethnicity | KFF

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Very depressing to see poverty effect so many people.

So according to that there are 42 million African Americans in the US. Of which 22% face poverty, so 9.2 million extremely poor black people.

There are 236 million white people, of which 9% face poverty, or 21.2 million.

So basically poverty effects twice as many white Americans as it does black Americans.

Yet blacks and whites murder around as many people as each other.

I guess poverty is not the answer as to why or you would expect double the number of murders committed by white people?????

 

[Caracas]

Anyone who disputes this needs their head read, BUT...............poor whites are just as miserable as poor blacks are just as miserable as poor Hispanics are................

When Western left wing politics meaningfully concerns itself with this, I will return to the fold.

THIS is THE issue!

I would have thought that the left does align itself with the white poor as well, Snake. However, they’ve lost touch with the so called “aspirationals”.


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[Scallop Industry Thug]

Very depressing to see poverty effect so many people.

So according to that there are 42 million African Americans in the US. Of which 22% face poverty, so 9.2 million extremely poor black people.

There are 236 million white people, of which 9% face poverty, or 21.2 million.

So basically poverty effects twice as many white Americans as it does black Americans.

Yet blacks and whites murder around as many people as each other.

I guess poverty is not the answer as to why or you would expect double the number of murders committed by white people?????

American capitalism has failed poor whites almost as much as blacks.

All the populist right can do is virtue signal white identity politics at them. Trump, Boris need their votes. Rah rah PC gone mad, SJWs. Get them angry, get their votes, then legislate in the interest of the ultra wealthy.

Divide the working class. Make whites froth about SJWs and antifa. Keep blacks impoverished or incarcerated, utilise them
as a threat.

 

[the big lebowski]

American capitalism has failed poor whites almost as much as blacks.

All the populist right can do is virtue signal white identity politics at them. Trump, Boris need their votes. Rah rah PC gone mad, SJWs. Get them angry, get their votes, then legislate in the interest of the ultra wealthy.

Divide the working class. Make whites froth about SJWs and antifa. Keep blacks impoverished or incarcerated, utilise them
as a threat.

Ok, that opinion is fine and I’m not going to argue with you, because I don’t have any answers BUT

With 20 million poverty stricken whites people and 9 million poverty stricken black people AND occurrences of murder pretty much the same, would you agree that the over representation of black people committing murder is not a poverty issue?

Or am I misreading the statistics?

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Ok, that opinion is fine and I’m not going to argue with you, because I don’t have any answers BUT

With 20 million poverty stricken whites people and 9 million poverty stricken black people AND occurrences of murder pretty much the same, would you agree that the over representation of black people committing murder is not a poverty issue?

Or am I misreading the statistics?

Poverty, socialisation in prison environments, policing methods, White flight. There’s a shit tonne of things to consider.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Ok, that opinion is fine and I’m not going to argue with you, because I don’t have any answers BUT

With 20 million poverty stricken whites people and 9 million poverty stricken black people AND occurrences of murder pretty much the same, would you agree that the over representation of black people committing murder is not a poverty issue?

Or am I misreading the statistics?

It's ALL a ****ing distraction TBL, and the REAL battler is getting screwed over yet again.

In this country it happened with B.A. Santa Maria, then the Fabians, and now these SJW parasites. Same program, different method.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Poverty, socialisation in prison environments, policing methods, White flight. There’s a shit tonne of things to consider.

LOL.

Dan Andrews......................8 BILLION budgeted for prisons!!!!!

But yeah.................TRUMP!

 

[Snake_Baker]

 

[the big lebowski]

It's ALL a ****ing distraction TBL, and the REAL battler is getting screwed over yet again.

In this country it happened with B.A. Santa Maria, then the Fabians, and now these SJW parasites. Same program, different method.

I’m not going to lie, other than social justice warriors I don’t know what any of those things are. All I know is that I come from a working class and multicultural neighborhood, my friends are Lebanese and Italian, and some Aussies (we are all Aussie but u know what I mean). Most had immigrant parents. Most of my friends are doing well for themselves and ethnicity hasn’t been a problem for them or their parents. I also have close female friends as an aside and by and large they are doing better career wise than the blokes. We are all older millenials.

No one is getting screwed over as far as I can tell. I also have indigenous family by marriage and they are doing well too. Just bought their first house and kids go to a private school.

Just my experience.

 

[Snake_Baker]

I’m not going to lie, other than social justice warriors I don’t know what any of those things are. All I know is that I come from a working class and multicultural neighborhood, my friends are Lebanese and Italian, and some Aussies (we are all Aussie but u know what I mean). Most had immigrant parents. Most of my friends are doing well for themselves and ethnicity hasn’t been a problem for them or their parents. I also have close female friends as an aside and by and large they are doing better career wise than the blokes. We are all older millenials.

No one is getting screwed over as far as I can tell. I also have indigenous family by marriage and they are doing well too. Just bought their first house and kids go to a private school.

Just my experience.

Bob SantaMaria drove a wedge in to the working class vote by corralling the Catholics, and the Fabians are the middle class Oxbridge w***ers that infiltrated and internationalised Australian working class politics in the 1970's-80's.