Play Nice Random Chat Thread IV

[Kangaroos4eva]

 

[Val Keating]

Trump administration proposes rolling back protections for big tech

The U.S. Justice Department proposed on Wednesday that Congress take up legislation to curb protections big tech platforms like Alphabet's Google and Facebook have had for decades, a senior official said, following through on President Donald Trump's bid to crack down on...

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Justice Department proposed on Wednesday that Congress take up legislation to curb protections big tech platforms like Alphabet's Google and Facebook have had for decades, a senior official said, following through on President Donald Trump's bid to crack down on tech giants.

The goal of the proposal, which is being finalized, is to push tech companies to address criminal content on their platforms such as child exploitation, terrorism or cyber stalking, and boost transparency for users when the outlets take down lawful material, the Justice Department official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Trump said he sought to "remove or change" Section 230 of the 1996 Communications Decency Act, which generally exempts platforms from responsibility for what their users post and allows them to moderate the content of their sites as they wish.


The Justice Department proposal would seek to push platforms to "address" illicit content online, such as material that violates federal criminal law, the department said. It would also seek to require the companies to be upfront about content moderation decisions and prevent the big online platforms from invoking Section 230 in antitrust cases.

Not sure about the veracity of the caption, but it’s not pretty.

Did you see the footage from over there of the bloke who casually pushed an old lady into a fire hydrant? Disturbing as ****. The guy that did that is a psychopath for sure.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Did you see the footage from over there of the bloke who casually pushed an old lady into a fire hydrant? Disturbing as fu**. The guy that did that is a psychopath for sure.

I did. I even debated posting the one I did as I don’t want this to be some kind of contest.

 

[Val Keating]

this is going to be next:
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What’s the mood like where you are Timmy?

 

[goalieboy82]

What’s the mood like where you are Timmy?

 

[goalieboy82]

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with all of this protesting:

 

[goalieboy82]

one of my new favorite shows (thought the hell is this but when i started to watch it, i laugh a lot)
NSFW:

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

The cop that shoot Brooks has been charged with murder. Make of it what you will. Based on that footage and the bodycam footage, I wouldn’t be surprised if the charges won’t stick.

 

[Val Keating]

The cop that shoot Brooks has been charged with murder. Make of it what you will. Based on that footage and the bodycam footage, I wouldn’t be surprised if the charges won’t stick.

I haven’t seen that angle before. Think I was wrong. The cop has a good case there

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

I haven’t seen that angle before. Think I was wrong. The cop has a good case there

The only thing I’m not sure about is whether he fired the taser, as there is no sound and the taser was bright. Other side notes include the other cop initially running with his own taser and the cpr being administrated by the cop that shot him.

Like everyone else, I question the shooting, but the footage is clear to see. I guess how you interpret it is up to your analysis.

 

[Tas]

It may not stick but he had a taser, one of those shitty tasers that didn't stop him or the police officer who got hit by it. I am not sure he would have had a serious concern about his life being under threat.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

It may not stick but he had a taser, one of those shitty tasers that didn't stop him or the police officer who got hit by it. I am not sure he would have had a serious concern about his life being under threat.

It is debatable. Described as less than lethal, but still capable of serious injury and, on rare occasion, death. According to the state DA, under Georgia state laws, a taser is considered a dangerous weapon.

Make of that what you will.

Another thing is, we have a drunk guy out on parole running around with a cop taser, and had just resisted arrest against two cops. The guy panicked because he didn’t want to go back to jail and the cops panicked as well after he resisted arrested and pointed a taser. Nothing about this is clear cut.

 

[Steamin Beamin]

Do you hold the taser like a gun? cos I can imagine in the few seconds that whole thing unfolded you'll be pretty edgy if someone points a gun shaped object at you.

 

[GarnerSmash]

The cop that shoot Brooks has been charged with murder. Make of it what you will. Based on that footage and the bodycam footage, I wouldn’t be surprised if the charges won’t stick.

It shouldn't need to be said, but what tragic situation for the victim and his family. It's ****ed.

That said......

In a sense I feel sorry for the cop, who by all accounts is put into a position to deal with this shit without adequate training. It should never have gotten to that point, he and his colleague should have been given the skills to subdue the victim without the need for tazers or firearms. But here we are, a man is dead and another should be going to jail for shooting him whilst he was running away.

Who will want to be a cop in the US now? Let's just assume that 90% of the cops in the US aren't racist arseholes, but are good people wanting to have a career and do good by their community. You are given basic training in how to physically deal with people when things go bad, and limited fire arms training at the start, and a small refresher each year. You are given a badge and and gun and out you go into the community. A community where the law allows people to purchase semi-automatic weapons. Where there are more guns than people. Where there is the need for 10 million arrests each year nation wide. Where 40 million people are living in poverty. Where an industrialised prison system puts poor people in jail for the most basic of crimes, hardens them, and spits them back out onto the street. Where there is automatic distrust of the police across communities. What chance will any police officer have of dealing with the potential for violence and the complexity of ingrained belief systems from both sides of the fence without either maiming of killing someone, or having themselves maimed or killed?

And now 'they' are calling for the police to be defunded. Who do they think will end up actually joining the force in the future? More meatheads, more racists, more socially inept people than ever before, thats who. And it will all get worse, not better.

Police need more funding for better training, better screening of applicants and recruits, for better approaches to dealing with community, for outreach to communities. Defunding police forces is utterly stupid. With more funding to do the above it would be virtually guaranteed that the number of deaths by cop would decrease.

Interesting statistics from a podcast and other sources:

• More black people are killed by black or hispanic cops than by white cops.
• Generally speaking across general crime categories, blacks make up roughly one third of perpetrators, yet 13% of the population.
• Black people are more than twice as likely to be living in poverty than whites, with almost a quarter of the black population doing so. One quarter...
• 75% of black families are headed by a single parent (37% of white families).
• When engaging with police and in encounters in which deadly force is used, it is more likely for a white person to be shot than a black person, however whities are more likely to suicide by cop.
• Cops are more likely to go 'hands on' with a black suspect than a white suspect.

What the above information doesn't do is disprove that there are racist cops. Of course it doesn't, and of course there are. There simply has to be an element of racism in the current day police force given some of their daddies were kicking it during the times of segregation, lynchings etc. What it does illustrate is that in the four or so generations since slavery was abolished African-Americans have not been able to achieve parity with whites in making the most of the society in which they live. Why? Well, logically, they were coming from so far back and engaging with a system in which those already there did not want to share/were racist and had the power to maintain the 'accepted order of things'.

The US has some serious problems right now, but IMO white cops killing black men is not the biggest issue. I do hope though that these protests help to shine a light on the utter ugliness that lies beneath Uncle Sams top hat, an ugliness that allows rich people to suck the country dry, where poor people, a larger proportion of them black and native american than white, are ****ed in the arse, fed booze and opioids, locked up for money, not educated or supported properly and left to die by their millions under bridges, in slums and reservations or in trailer parks across the country. Or maybe the states is too far gone. Maybe they took their eye off the ball when they decided that they could take over the world, and forgot to look after their own back yard, and now the rot is so deep that its gonna take down the country.


Anyways.....I'm not racist, but...

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

It shouldn't need to be said, but what tragic situation for the victim and his family. It's f’ed.

That said......

In a sense I feel sorry for the cop, who by all accounts is put into a position to deal with this shit without adequate training. It should never have gotten to that point, he and his colleague should have been given the skills to subdue the victim without the need for tazers or firearms. But here we are, a man is dead and another should be going to jail for shooting him whilst he was running away.

Who will want to be a cop in the US now? Let's just assume that 90% of the cops in the US aren't racist arseholes, but are good people wanting to have a career and do good by their community. You are given basic training in how to physically deal with people when things go bad, and limited fire arms training at the start, and a small refresher each year. You are given a badge and and gun and out you go into the community. A community where the law allows people to purchase semi-automatic weapons. Where there are more guns than people. Where there is the need for 10 million arrests each year nation wide. Where 40 million people are living in poverty. Where an industrialised prison system puts poor people in jail for the most basic of crimes, hardens them, and spits them back out onto the street. Where there is automatic distrust of the police across communities. What chance will any police officer have of dealing with the potential for violence and the complexity of ingrained belief systems from both sides of the fence without either maiming of killing someone, or having themselves maimed or killed?

And now 'they' are calling for the police to be defunded. Who do they think will end up actually joining the force in the future? More meatheads, more racists, more socially inept people than ever before, thats who. And it will all get worse, not better.

Police need more funding for better training, better screening of applicants and recruits, for better approaches to dealing with community, for outreach to communities. Defunding police forces is utterly stupid. With more funding to do the above it would be virtually guaranteed that the number of deaths by cop would decrease.

Interesting statistics from a podcast and other sources:

• More black people are killed by black or hispanic cops than by white cops.
• Generally speaking across general crime categories, blacks make up roughly one third of perpetrators, yet 13% of the population.
• Black people are more than twice as likely to be living in poverty than whites, with almost a quarter of the black population doing so. One quarter...
• 75% of black families are headed by a single parent (37% of white families).
• When engaging with police and in encounters in which deadly force is used, it is more likely for a white person to be shot than a black person, however whities are more likely to suicide by cop.

What the above information doesn't do is disprove that there are racist cops. Of course it doesn't, and of course there are. There simply has to be an element of racism in the current day police force given some of their daddies were kicking it during the times of segregation, lynchings etc. What it does illustrate is that in the four or so generations since slavery was abolished African-Americans have not been able to achieve parity with whites in making the most of the society in which they live because logically they were coming from so far back and engaging with a system in which those already there did not want to share/were racist and had the power to maintain the 'accepted order of things'.

The US has some serious problems right now, but IMO white cops killing black men is not the biggest issue. I do hope though that these protests help to shine a light on the utter ugliness that lies beneath Uncle Sams top hat, an ugliness that allows rich people to suck the country dry, where poor people, a larger proportion of them black and native american than white, are f’ed in the arse, fed booze and opioids, locked up for money, not educated or supported properly and left to die by their millions under bridges, in slums and reservations or in trailer parks across the country. Or maybe the states is too far gone. Maybe they took their eye off the ball when they decided that they could take over the world, and forgot to look after their own back yard, and now the rot is so deep that its gonna take down the country.


Anyways.....I'm not racist, but...

Thanks Pauline...

Seriously though, I mostly agree. Watching him talk about his kids just before it went to shit and then the cop performing cpr is shattering. Believe or not, that’s why I do genuinely try to find a middle ground and gain as much perspective as possible from all angles. Sometimes I fail though as emotion can get the better of me.

The discussion is so much broader than just better police reforms and training. Racism is just one part of a much broader argument that we can debate all day.

- Economic policy, including the debates over welfare v economic mobilisation
- Historical legacies
- Demise of the two parent median income
- Family values and individual responsibilities
- Drug legalisation and the war on drugs
- Prison Reform (huge problem)
- Economic disparities v actual poverty levels
- Public healthcare
- The list goes on and on.

 

[Royal Flush]

It shouldn't need to be said, but what tragic situation for the victim and his family. It's f’ed.

That said......

In a sense I feel sorry for the cop, who by all accounts is put into a position to deal with this shit without adequate training. It should never have gotten to that point, he and his colleague should have been given the skills to subdue the victim without the need for tazers or firearms. But here we are, a man is dead and another should be going to jail for shooting him whilst he was running away.

Who will want to be a cop in the US now? Let's just assume that 90% of the cops in the US aren't racist arseholes, but are good people wanting to have a career and do good by their community. You are given basic training in how to physically deal with people when things go bad, and limited fire arms training at the start, and a small refresher each year. You are given a badge and and gun and out you go into the community. A community where the law allows people to purchase semi-automatic weapons. Where there are more guns than people. Where there is the need for 10 million arrests each year nation wide. Where 40 million people are living in poverty. Where an industrialised prison system puts poor people in jail for the most basic of crimes, hardens them, and spits them back out onto the street. Where there is automatic distrust of the police across communities. What chance will any police officer have of dealing with the potential for violence and the complexity of ingrained belief systems from both sides of the fence without either maiming of killing someone, or having themselves maimed or killed?

And now 'they' are calling for the police to be defunded. Who do they think will end up actually joining the force in the future? More meatheads, more racists, more socially inept people than ever before, thats who. And it will all get worse, not better.

Police need more funding for better training, better screening of applicants and recruits, for better approaches to dealing with community, for outreach to communities. Defunding police forces is utterly stupid. With more funding to do the above it would be virtually guaranteed that the number of deaths by cop would decrease.

Interesting statistics from a podcast and other sources:

• More black people are killed by black or hispanic cops than by white cops.
• Generally speaking across general crime categories, blacks make up roughly one third of perpetrators, yet 13% of the population.
• Black people are more than twice as likely to be living in poverty than whites, with almost a quarter of the black population doing so. One quarter...
• 75% of black families are headed by a single parent (37% of white families).
• When engaging with police and in encounters in which deadly force is used, it is more likely for a white person to be shot than a black person, however whities are more likely to suicide by cop.
• Cops are more likely to go 'hands on' with a black suspect than a white suspect.

What the above information doesn't do is disprove that there are racist cops. Of course it doesn't, and of course there are. There simply has to be an element of racism in the current day police force given some of their daddies were kicking it during the times of segregation, lynchings etc. What it does illustrate is that in the four or so generations since slavery was abolished African-Americans have not been able to achieve parity with whites in making the most of the society in which they live because logically they were coming from so far back and engaging with a system in which those already there did not want to share/were racist and had the power to maintain the 'accepted order of things'.

The US has some serious problems right now, but IMO white cops killing black men is not the biggest issue. I do hope though that these protests help to shine a light on the utter ugliness that lies beneath Uncle Sams top hat, an ugliness that allows rich people to suck the country dry, where poor people, a larger proportion of them black and native american than white, are f’ed in the arse, fed booze and opioids, locked up for money, not educated or supported properly and left to die by their millions under bridges, in slums and reservations or in trailer parks across the country. Or maybe the states is too far gone. Maybe they took their eye off the ball when they decided that they could take over the world, and forgot to look after their own back yard, and now the rot is so deep that its gonna take down the country.


Anyways.....I'm not racist, but...

Meanwhile in Africa...

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[GarnerSmash]

Meanwhile in Africa...

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[Snake_Baker]

Whites are getting slaughtered over there on a daily basis in what are undisputably racist murders.

 

[Royal Flush]

I'm sorry, I'm sure you have a point but I don't know what it is.

Would you like to expand?

Lots of points not made. True.
You'd appreciate how exhaustive it would be to make them, after deconstructing all that is wrong with American culture.


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[GarnerSmash]

Lots of points not made. True.
You'd appreciate how exhaustive it would be to make them, after deconstructing all that is wrong with American culture.


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A token attempt at least would be courteous.

Simply stating 'meanwhile in Africa' means nothing, and if I may be so bold, could be construed as the kind of thing a closet bigot might say on Reddit. It would be unfortunate for you to potentially be seen as such, so please, feel free to elaborate.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Meanwhile in Africa...

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In complete fairness to GS, another continent is a whole different conversation, circumstances and subject entirely to what Smash was highlighting. Some correlations of course, but different regional dynamics at play.

Being a major cricket fan, however, it’s sad what happened to Zimbabwe.

Then you can rattle off the hundreds of issues ranging from sickness to poaching to ethnic and religious cleansing. Then there’s the causes, which there are multitudes.

 

[Mav]

 

[Snake_Baker]

In complete fairness to GS, another continent is a whole different conversation....

Not according to Sopwith's.

 

[Royal Flush]

A token attempt at least would be courteous.

Simply stating 'meanwhile in Africa' means nothing, and if I may be so bold, could be construed as the kind of thing a closet bigot might say on Reddit. It would be unfortunate for you to potentially be seen as such, so please, feel free to elaborate.

A bigot might say?
Really.


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[GarnerSmash]

A bigot might say?
Really.


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Yeah, seriously. Peeps are jumping at shadows. and I genuinely don't know what you mean by 'meanwhile in Africa'.

Please, I'm genuinely interested.