Play Nice Random Chat Thread IV

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I think the real issue here is the discretion of the police. Surprise surprise they showed none.

This. Surely there should be a grace period in this respect. What are the consequences of being a couple of days or weeks late?

• Loss to State revenue? Negligible - $800 at historically low interest rates x a couple of days/weeks.
• Registration as proof that vehicle is safe/ roadworthy? No, renewal of rego is not tied to having a RWC.
• Lack of CTP insurance? Risk is with the registered owner on this respect. If they're in an accident driving an unregistered vehicle, they'd be fully liable.

It's a f***ing scam, pure and simple.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

If it was just a statue of him, I would be more objectionable about it all, but it features another group of people and the family given permission to replace it.

Indeed, and that's my point. I responded to a poster who tried to equate a statue of one historical figure on horseback with the Roosevelt statue. If you can't see the difference, you just don't want to.

 

[Snake_Baker]

I have no issue with Roosevelt himself as he was a product of his times.

Correct.

Should we burn down the sistine chapel because of what happened in South America 400 years ago?

These morons are only pulling this shit because they know they will remain relatively unscathed in tolerant western societies................IRONICALLY!

They're idiots.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Wait a few weeks mate.
This appears to be just the beginning.

Remember people driving this cancel culture ideology, have a dislike for anything that represents masculinity, patriarchy, heroism.




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Cancel culture tried to get van diemen fired, Gillette boycotted, pop culture types boycott whenever they’re characters aren’t sufficiently white straight and make enough, when yasmine said the stuff about the anzacs.

This issue is more complex.

 

[Snake_Baker]

This. Surely there should be a grace period in this respect. What are the consequences of being a couple of days or weeks late?

• Loss to State revenue? Negligible - $800 at historically low interest rates x a couple of days/weeks.
• Registration as proof that vehicle is safe/ roadworthy? No, renewal of rego is not tied to having a RWC.
• Lack of CTP insurance? Risk is with the registered owner on this respect. If they're in an accident driving an unregistered vehicle, they'd be fully liable.

It's a f***ing scam, pure and simple.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

I have the popcorn out & ready for when they start going for the war memorials. There will be cuck intestines strewn all over the place.

It would be an idiotic move on their behalf, but at this level of stupidity who could discount anything?

That’ll be the death knell for that movement if they attacked war memorials, pardon the pun.

 

[Snake_Baker]

They're tactically dumb enough.

I mean, they don't even have any realistic destination for this drivel so basically there are primates with better strategic capabilities.

Rip down some old hunk of bronze, aren't I ***ing hard core!

 

[Royal Flush]

Cancel culture tried to get van diemen fired, Gillette boycotted, pop culture types boycott whenever they’re characters aren’t sufficiently white straight and make enough, when yasmine said the stuff about the anzacs.

This issue is more complex.

Multiple differing examples .
If there is anything we learnt about Gillette is that it chose a market. And failed miserably. The $ doesn't lie . It wasn't cancelled by anyone.
Pop culture ? What do mean? Pop is about making money and art. Your either a hit or your not. Your either popular or your not.
Van Diemen ? Is she the first person in a power position to receive criticism for publicly expressed opinions?

Trying to get someone in a power position sacked happens all the time doesn't it?







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[Royal Flush]

Indeed, and that's my point. I responded to a poster who tried to equate a statue of one historical figure on horseback with the Roosevelt statue. If you can't see the difference, you just don't want to.

My post was directed at another post further up.
I deliberately didn't quote them, except the content within their quote.
But you just latched onto it out of context as usual

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[LuvtheKangas]

My post was directed at another post further up.
I deliberately didn't quote them, except the content within their quote.
But you just latched onto it as usual

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Would have been easy to clarify, then, rather than double down.

So, for clarity, do you equate the symbolism of the Roosevelt statue with that of the many hundreds in Europe that depict single heroic figures on horseback?

 

[Royal Flush]

Would have been easy to clarify, then, rather than double down.

So, for clarity, do you equate the symbolism of the Roosevelt statue with that of the many hundreds in Europe that depict single heroic figures on horseback?

So you barge in on the last page of a 5 page conversation looking to double down some posters?

Relax a bit have whiskey.

How much more simpler can I explain it to you?

Some one suggested that

"Because elevate someone on a horse it portrays them in a position of supremacy, victory and heroism"


That Bulgarian hero is on a horse ...




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[LuvtheKangas]

So you barge in on the last page of a 5 page conversation looking to double down some posters?

Relax a bit have whiskey.

How much more simpler can I explain it to you?

Some one suggested that

"Because elevate someone on a horse it portrays them in a position of supremacy, victory and heroism"


That Bulgarian hero is on a horse ...




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Yeah, look, you've completely missed the point. Again. Even though I gave you a couple of goes at it.

It's OK, I can work out the answer that you're not giving.

 

[Royal Flush]

Yeah, look, you've completely missed the point. Again. Even though I gave you a couple of goes at it.

It's OK, I can work out the answer that you're not giving.

It's only because your a lazy campaigner, and refuse to go back for a re read.


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[Kangaroos4eva]

Google is being sued for tracking users even when they're browsing in incognito mode

Google asserts it's upfront with users about how their data is collected while browsing Incognito.

www.businessinsider.com.au

 

[LuvtheKangas]

It's only because your a lazy campaigner, and refuse to go back for a re read.


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Either that, or you missed the point.

I agreed that Bulgarian hero is on a horse - along with literally hundreds, perhaps thousands of similar statues around the world - which "portrays them in a position of supremacy, victory and heroism". And I agreed that heroes are worth celebrating in this way and the statues should be left intact.

I then made the point that the Roosevelt statue was different because the supremacy depicted was racist, and asked (twice) if you were denying that difference.

In the event that you didn't miss the point, your responses suggest that you are denying the difference, but you just don't want to say that straight out.

 

[Ry009]

"We" implicates all posters. This is not correct.

I agree that the undisciplined mind is "programmed to be tribal in our responses", however, rationalists pause between the elicited stimulus and the emotional response, the easily programmed do not.

In fact, it's generally a very difficult drawn out process in order for people to unclutter their minds (i.e. the rabbit hole). You have to channel your inner Spock.

Agree to disagree RE not everyone is emotive, pull me out 10 posts in the entire history of this thread where someone has accepted an alternative point of view and thanked the poster for it. If you can I'll shout you a beer at the next home game with a crowd.

I don't agree with how the protests were conducted, nor pulling down of statues, but I don't fear a world of over the top censorship.

I didn't 100% agree with the tone of the Gillette commercial, but I'm not offended to the point of boycotting their products or bitching about it online.

This the world we live in, when people see a disproportionate reaction to something, they immediately freak out.

 

[Ry009]

I don't know about thanked, but I have accepted and positively engaged with quite a few alternative viewpoints in this thread and its earlier predecessors, so have a few others tbh (Thinking Desertroo and VK especially). You owe SB a beer.

FWIW, more people freak out more when something disproportionate becomes a trend that lasts a considerable amount of time and has something seemingly nasty guiding/shaping them.

Should have left the thank bit out and framed it better, but I don't think I've seen anyone have seismic change in their philosophy in this thread, 70% of this thread has been bogged down in some binary circular discussion.

That's not a potshot at anyone, but disagree with Snake's intial broad statement that people need to take emotion out of discussion when it's clear just about everyone has had varying degrees of emotion in their posts.

 

[EDFL follower]

This. Surely there should be a grace period in this respect. What are the consequences of being a couple of days or weeks late?

• Loss to State revenue? Negligible - $800 at historically low interest rates x a couple of days/weeks.
• Registration as proof that vehicle is safe/ roadworthy? No, renewal of rego is not tied to having a RWC.
• Lack of CTP insurance? Risk is with the registered owner on this respect. If they're in an accident driving an unregistered vehicle, they'd be fully liable.

It's a f***ing scam, pure and simple.

Of course it’s a scam but everyone knows that so just pay it on time! It’s a bit like people that don’t pay their credit card on time! It’s going to cost you so make sure you pay it.

 

[Royal Flush]

Either that, or you missed the point.

I agreed that Bulgarian hero is on a horse - along with literally hundreds, perhaps thousands of similar statues around the world - which "portrays them in a position of supremacy, victory and heroism". And I agreed that heroes are worth celebrating in this way and the statues should be left intact.

I then made the point that the Roosevelt statue was different because the supremacy depicted was racist, and asked (twice) if you were denying that difference.

In the event that you didn't miss the point, your responses suggest that you are denying the difference, but you just don't want to say that straight out.

Take away, the Indian and the black guy, Roosevelt by himself on horse back (Same as 100,000 odd statues around the world) and that would not cease its interpretation as being supremacist and racist by the woke elements.
Churchill statue doesn't have him even on a horse and they want to rip it out.
The point is, anything that represents powerful men of western civilisations in a different time is deemed offensive.

Are you painting the line in the sand on this one?

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Should have left the thank bit out and framed it better, but I don't think I've seen anyone have seismic change in their philosophy in this thread, 70% of this thread has been bogged down in some binary circular discussion.

That's not a potshot at anyone, but disagree with Snake's intial broad statement that people need to take emotion out of discussion when it's clear just about everyone has had varying degrees of emotion in their posts.

Fair enough, then I would tend to agree with you, re the seismic changes. I know I have changed in bits and pieces. I was a lot more conservative just 12 months ago then I am now, I am more nuanced in my views and my knowledge gaps have been filled out over the journey. We have discussed stuff from gerrymandering in southern states of a foreign country to Soviet environmental policies in the 1960s to postmodernism. The only thing that has gotten worse is my spelling and my hatred for the iPhone autofill.

Baby steps for many, but some haven't even done that.

Emotion is always a part of it. I believe SB's point is the level of emotion at play when posting. For example, you can often tell if people's anger or pride is too high for them to see cold reason. A healthy equal combination of passion and experience greatly benefits when trying to logically deduce a problem and respond in an effective manner.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Agree to disagree RE not everyone is emotive, pull me out 10 posts in the entire history of this thread where someone has accepted an alternative point of view and thanked the poster for it. If you can I'll shout you a beer at the next home game with a crowd.

I don't agree with how the protests were conducted, nor pulling down of statues, but I don't fear a world of over the top censorship.

I didn't 100% agree with the tone of the Gillette commercial, but I'm not offended to the point of boycotting their products or bitching about it online.

This the world we live in, when people see a disproportionate reaction to something, they immediately freak out.

The Gillette commercial wasn't about the Gillette commercial specifically, it was a catalyst for people who had become sick & tired of the accompanying tidal wave of SJW bullshit that has drenched over them in the years leading up to that commercial.

Don't get sucked in by their disingenuous infantile counter claims about their absurdities mate.

Remember, these are the same people who confront criticisms of the political bill boarding of Greta Thunberg by countering that any critic is just a bully picking on a child! No intelligent person would engage such primary school level debating tactics. This is the quality of their typical level of debate. They're quite literally morons.

 

[Ry009]

Fair enough, then I would tend to agree with the seismic change's. I know I have changed in bits and pieces. I was a lot more conservative just 12 months ago then I am now and my knowledge gaps have been filled out over the journey. We have discussed stuff from gerrymandering in southern states of a foreign country to Soviet environmental policies.

Baby steps for many, but some haven't even done that.

Emotion is always a part of it. I believe SB's point is the level of emotion at play when posting. For example, you can often tell if people's anger or pride is too high for them to see cold reason. A healthy equal combination of passion and experience greatly benefits when trying to logically deduce a problem and respond in an effective manner.

Fair points, totally agree

Just on your point about knowledge gaps, I've found myself having a stronger desire to read up on politics and history. (I know SFA on both) Despite it's tendency for robust discussion, I'm totally fascinated by them.

If I wasn't doing my Online Business Degree course while juggling my full time job with intermediate coding skills (of which I've had to teach myself), I'd read up a lot more than I do.

 

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Of course it’s a scam but everyone knows that so just pay it on time! It’s a bit like people that don’t pay their credit card on time! It’s going to cost you so make sure you pay it.

You don't get charged the full amount of your credit card balance if you're two days late.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Take away, the Indian and the black guy, Roosevelt by himself on horse back (Same as 100,000 odd statues around the world) and that would not cease its interpretation as being supremacist and racist by the woke elements.

Well the whole point is that the Indian and black guy are what make the supremacy racist.

It's a blanket assertion to say "if" they weren't there, the interpretation wouldn't change. Personally, I disagree with the assertion. Anyway, I wasn't asking for your view of the "woke elements" (convenient label) interpretation, I was asking if you saw the difference. You still haven't answered that.

Churchill statue doesn't have him even on a horse and they want to rip it out.

I already said I disagree with tearing down statues and I strongly disagree in this case. There's a mob mentality thing going on at the moment, which is a result of high emotions and opportunism, but I can't see it lasting.

I agree with the suggestion that it's already gone too far and it will probably get a little worse before it gets better.

The point is, anything that represents powerful men of western civilisations in a different time is deemed offensive.

Another blanket assertion. It's simply untrue that the majority of thinking people believe this.

Are you painting the line in the sand on this one?

Not sure what you mean by line in the sand. I'll repeat my view that the majority of historical statues should stay up, and the very few that are demonstrably racist should be re-located to be displayed in a museum and not as an institutional symbol.

 

[EDFL follower]

You don't get charged the full amount of your credit card balance if you're two days late.

No but you still pay a ridiculous interest rate so anyone who doesn't pay their credit card on time isn't real clever. Likewise if you don't pay your rego on time you are going to be charged nearly 100% interest so the simple answer is to pay your bills on time.