Play Nice Random Chat Thread IV

[Hojuman]

I think I recall hearing or reading somewhere that up to 40 or 50 victims have come forward with accusations against Pell.

Remember a dad interviewed somewhere along the Vic. coast and he caught George in the showers with the boys.

Told him in no uncertain terms to get dressed and leave. Also informed him what he would do if he ever saw him again.

 

[Groin guru]

Those views were not overly controversial in 1921. To draw a line from that to the current day to imply that Bill Gates' involvement in the Gates Foundation and his initiatives around vaccination are based on eugenics is la la land stuff.

So you've gone from "There's no link between Sanger and eugenics" to "yeah but they weren't controversial in 1921". Controversial or not the link is there. And they clearly were controversial because she's copped flack for it for decades.

I never drew a line from Sanger's eugenics beliefs to current day Bill. I drew a line from Sanger to Bill's Dad. From Bill's dad and his mother (IBM board member - The same IBM that helped the Nazis) to Bill. IBM - a company Bill partnered with. We are products of our environment and (for the 3rd time) you can choose to dismiss all of the coincidences but those are facts. To Bill's work in vaccinations.

Bill's 2010 Ted talk: "the world today has 6.8 billion people. That's headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, healthcare, reproductive health services we could lower that by perhaps 10 to 15 percent".

Bill during an interview with Dr. Sanjay Gupta in 2010: "Well, over this decade, we believe unbelievable progress can be made both in inventing new vaccines and making sure they get out to all the children who need them. We can cut the number of children who die every day from about 9 million to half of that, if we have success on it. And the benefits there in terms of reducing sickness, reducing the population growth, it really allows society a chance to take care of itself once you've made that intervention"

Are those just conspiracies? Because you can hear him say it for yourself. The past is there. If you want to believe he's just spending billions because he's just super nice...well that's your fairytale, not mine.

 

[7577969923]

So you've gone from "There's no link between Sanger and eugenics" to "yeah but they weren't controversial in 1921". Controversial or not the link is there. And they clearly were controversial because she's copped flack for it for decades.

I never drew a line from Sanger's eugenics beliefs to current day Bill. I drew a line from Sanger to Bill's Dad. From Bill's dad and his mother (IBM board member - The same IBM that helped the Nazis) to Bill. IBM - a company Bill partnered with. We are products of our environment and (for the 3rd time) you can choose to dismiss all of the coincidences but those are facts. To Bill's work in vaccinations.

Bill's 2010 Ted talk: "the world today has 6.8 billion people. That's headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, healthcare, reproductive health services we could lower that by perhaps 10 to 15 percent".

Bill during an interview with Dr. Sanjay Gupta in 2010: "Well, over this decade, we believe unbelievable progress can be made both in inventing new vaccines and making sure they get out to all the children who need them. We can cut the number of children who die every day from about 9 million to half of that, if we have success on it. And the benefits there in terms of reducing sickness, reducing the population growth, it really allows society a chance to take care of itself once you've made that intervention"

Are those just conspiracies? Because you can hear him say it for yourself. The past is there. If you want to believe he's just spending billions because he's just super nice...well that's your fairytale, not mine.

I didn't actually say there is no link between Sanger and eugenics, I am saying it has no influence over planned parenthood and probably never did.

I have listened to the Bill Gates Ted Talk, and your point is bullshit. Gates' is simply pointing to the fact that people in the third world have large families as insurance against the death of their children. He is also pointing out that if you give the third world access to decent healthcare including vaccines, and give them reproductive control via access to contraception, they will have less children and population growth will grow.

Reducing population growth is better for everybody. Any implication that Gates is promoting this as some kind of eugenics agenda is bullshit of the worst kind.

 

[Groin guru]

1. I didn't actually say there is no link between Sanger and eugenics, I am saying it has no influence over planned parenthood and probably never did.

2. Any implication that Gates is promoting this as some kind of eugenics agenda is bullshit of the worst kind.

1. Yes you did. I quoted it that's why it appeared in my quote. You edited that part out not long after which is why it no longer exists.

2. In your opinion, but that's all it is, an opinion. The only choice isn't: "my opinion is right and everything else is a conspiracy". I know you're fighting hard to suggest that. Maybe Bill started out with that plan but has softened over time. Maybe it's the reverse. Maybe it was never there. Who knows. But there are countless options. It's better to have as much information as possible before formulating an opinion. You've made up yours with even less information than I have and you're suggesting that yours is the only truth...

 

[Gasometer]

got a couple of courier deliveries today which was surprising, turns out the delivery guy is a north cheer squad member of 17 years. he asked what the dogs name was (being boomer ) which lead to a little bit of kangas banter.

Were you 1.5m apart though?

Some old couple got a fine down here cos they posted photos on FB...from a holiday...2 years ago....dibber dobber

 

[7577969923]

1. Yes you did. I quoted it that's why it appeared in my quote. You edited that part out not long after which is why it no longer exists.

2. In your opinion, but that's all it is an opinion. The only choice isn't: "my opinion is right and everything else is a conspiracy". I know you're fighting hard to suggest that. Maybe Bill started out with that plan but has softened over time. Maybe it's the reverse. Maybe it was never there. Who knows. But there are countless options. It's better to have as much information as possible before formulating an opinion. You've made up yours with even less information than I have and you're suggesting that yours is the only truth...

If you are going to make an accusation such as that Bill Gates is a eugenicist, and his using his wealth and foundation to impose those beliefs on the world via a vaccine program, then the onus of proof is clearly on you. It is not up to anyone else to disprove what is a particularly obnoxious claim. It is your conspiracy theory after all. You have zero proof.

I don't claim anything that doesn't agree with my opinion is a conspiracy, but in this case, it is clear. You a literally proposing a theory of a conspiracy. One for which you have provided zero proof.

 

[Groin guru]

If you are going to make an accusation such as that Bill Gates is a eugenicist, and his using his wealth and foundation to impose those beliefs on the world via a vaccine program, then the onus of proof is clearly on you. It is not up to anyone else to disprove what is a particularly obnoxious claim. It is your conspiracy theory after all. You have zero proof.

I don't claim anything that doesn't agree with my opinion is a conspiracy, but in this case, it is clear. You a literally proposing a theory of a conspiracy. One for which you have provided zero proof.

I didn't propose anything. I just presented the information. He may be or he may not. I'm not privy to that inside information. Or maybe I am working for Bill and I'm just researching public opinion across various platforms...

 

[7577969923]

I didn't propose anything. I just presented the information. He may be or he may not. I'm not privy to that inside information. Or maybe I am working for Bill and I'm just researching public opinion across various platforms...

Yeah, that is bullshit. To imply, as you have clearly done, that someone is a eugenicist and is running a major vaccine program with nefarious objectives, is pretty despicable. You clearly think you are being edgy. If it ever ended up in court as a libel action you would be bankrupted.

 

[DesertRoo]

Yeah, that is bullshit. To imply, as you have clearly done, that someone is a eugenicist and is running a major vaccine program with nefarious objectives, is pretty despicable. You clearly think you are being edgy. If it ever ended up in court as a libel action you would be bankrupted.

So you think someone who lost a court case of illegally maintaining its monopoly in the PC market primarily through the use of technical restrictions put on PC manufacturers to now positioning to control what vaccines people get is a good thing?

 

[7577969923]

So you think someone who lost a court case of illegally maintaining its monopoly in the PC market primarily through the use of technical restrictions put on PC manufacturers to now positioning to control what vaccines people get is a good thing?

That's a completely different question and is a lot less despicable than GG's implications. Having said that I don't believe that is the purpose of the Bill& Melinda Gates Foundation at all. Their mission is clearly stated:

ENSURE MORE CHILDREN AND YOUNG PEOPLE SURVIVE AND THRIVE
COMBAT INFECTIOUS DISEASES THAT PARTICULARLY AFFECT THE POOREST
INSPIRE PEOPLE TO TAKE ACTION TO CHANGE THE WORLD

I haven't seen nor heard of anything that the foundation has doe that is inconsistent with these objectives. Again I would say the onus of proof is on you.

 

[DesertRoo]

That's a completely different question and is a lot less despicable than GG's implications. Having said that I don't believe that is the purpose of the Bill& Melinda Gates Foundation at all. Their mission is clearly stated:

ENSURE MORE CHILDREN AND YOUNG PEOPLE SURVIVE AND THRIVE
COMBAT INFECTIOUS DISEASES THAT PARTICULARLY AFFECT THE POOREST
INSPIRE PEOPLE TO TAKE ACTION TO CHANGE THE WORLD

I haven't seen nor heard of anything that the foundation has doe that is inconsistent with these objectives. Again I would say the onus of proof is on you.

You’re looking at a very crafted PR image.
do you realise mr gates has dodged that much tax that it would’ve fixed the American health system a couple of times over?

 

[koshari]

Were you 1.5m apart though?

Some old couple got a fine down here cos they posted photos on FB...from a holiday...2 years ago....dibber dobber

yeah he was maintaining this, they are not making you sign that silly plastic tablet thing on delivery atm, i think visual confirmation is enough for a confimed delivery, they ask you to wait 1.5 m away untill all the paperwork is complete.

 

[Val Keating]

God damn coronavirus. How’d I miss this?

Jeffrey Epstein associate Ghislaine Maxwell sues his estate

Maxwell seeking to recoup legal fees to defend herself against Epstein-related allegations

www.theguardian.com

 

[7577969923]

You’re looking at a very crafted PR image.
do you realise mr gates has dodged that much tax that it would’ve fixed the American health system a couple of times over?

Whether or not Microsoft and/or Bill Gates have aggressively minimised their tax is not really an issue if they haven't broken any laws. Blame the system, not the participants.
The problems in the US health system are ideology-based, not one of resources. They spend more on healthcare as a percentage of GDP than any country.
Neither of those two points are relevant though.
Of course, I understand that that is the image they want to present to the world but again I would stress the point that if you are making claims that the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is operating with a nefarious agenda at odds with its stated aims, the onus of proof is on you.

 

[DesertRoo]

Whether or not Microsoft and/or Bill Gates have aggressively minimised their tax is not really an issue if they haven't broken any laws. Blame the system, not the participants.
The problems in the US health system are ideology-based, not one of resources. They spend more on healthcare as a percentage of GDP than any country.
Neither of those two points are relevant though.
Of course, I understand that that is the image they want to present to the world but again I would stress the point that if you are making claims that the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is operating with a nefarious agenda at odds with its stated aims, the onus of proof is on you.

What have I claimed?
bill gates is anti competitive.
bill gates dodged tax that could’ve gone to the medical community.
bill gates used new expensive experimental drugs in favour of less expensive proven treatments.
bill gates is looking to add a permanent vaccine passport to everyone on the planet.

bill gates also flew on Lolita express after Epstein was locked up and had a pedo living at his compound, who he helped get off with a slap on the wrist.

Man arrested at Bill Gates' estate for reportedly trading child porn

Police arrested a Seattle man at Bill Gates and Melinda Gates’ mansion for allegedly collecting more than 6,000 child rape photos.

www.kiro7.com

Yes this is your saviour..

 

[Snake_Baker]

Yes this is your saviour..

Quote:

"none of the alleged crime actually happened at the Gates mansion"

Are you seriously going to trade in this?

 

[DesertRoo]

Quote:



Are you seriously going to trade in this?

Yep funny most the the other people reported are ostracised now.

Bill Gates REFUSES to say why he flew with Jeffrey Epstein post-prison

Bill Gates is hoping to ride out the storm, one week after it was revealed he had hitched a ride on Jeffrey Epstein's plane.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Snake_Baker]

Yep

Bill Gates REFUSES to say why he flew with Jeffrey Epstein post-prison

Bill Gates is hoping to ride out the storm, one week after it was revealed he had hitched a ride on Jeffrey Epstein's plane.

www.dailymail.co.uk

You could just about smear anyone on the planet if they were placed under a similar level of scrutiny.

It becomes a pointless exercise.

 

[DesertRoo]

You could just about smear anyone on the planet if they were placed under a similar level of scrutiny.

It becomes a pointless exercise.

people with images to maintain just don’t jump on high profile convicted pedos planes.

 

[Snake_Baker]

people with images to maintain just don’t jump on high profile convicted pedos planes.

.....and you can prove that he was aware of this, can't you?

 

[DesertRoo]

.....and you can prove that he was aware of this, can't you?

I’m just shocked to be reading this..

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

Jeffery Epstein had very few people he could turn to in his final days. When he needed a backup to handle his estate, he named a little-known biotech venture capitalist named Boris Nikolic in his will. But apparently without Nikolic’s knowledge.
Nikolic said he was “shocked” after hearing from Bloomberg News of his inclusion in Epstein’s will. “I was not consulted in these matters and I have no intent to fulfill these duties, whatsoever,” according to a statement provided by his spokeswoman.
A former science adviser to Bill Gates, Nikolic was part of a circle of scientists whom Epstein cultivated in recent years, especially in biotechnology. He was an immunologist who did his post-doctoral work at Harvard, moving in a well-connected social and academic world that Epstein coveted as a wealth manager.

 

[ferball]

You could just about smear anyone on the planet if they were placed under a similar level of scrutiny.

It becomes a pointless exercise.

Not everyone on the planet is doing he is doing, has his record of being a campaigner or funds research into implantable, wi fi accessible microchips.

 

[Snake_Baker]

I’m just shocked to be reading this..

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

More "allusion".

 

[7577969923]

What have I claimed?
bill gates is anti competitive.
bill gates dodged tax that could’ve gone to the medical community.
bill gates used new expensive experimental drugs in favour of less expensive proven treatments.
bill gates is looking to add a permanent vaccine passport to everyone on the planet.

bill gates also flew on Lolita express after Epstein was locked up and had a pedo living at his compound, who he helped get off with a slap on the wrist.

Man arrested at Bill Gates' estate for reportedly trading child porn

Police arrested a Seattle man at Bill Gates and Melinda Gates’ mansion for allegedly collecting more than 6,000 child rape photos.

www.kiro7.com

Yes this is your saviour..

Where have I claimed he is my saviour? I think his foundation is doing good work and has noble aims in the third world.

Yes you have claimed those things. The onus of proof is on you though.


By linking that article you are implying that Bill Gates was aware that somebody he hired to do some work had a large personal stash of child pr0n. That is a pretty sleazy allegation to make and doesn't pass the sniff test.

Yes, Microsoft pushed competition law to the limit. Most big companies do, including ones I have worked for.

Yes, Microsoft and Bill Gates minimised their tax, possibly aggressively so. Have you never claimed deductions? That money could have gone to the health system. Spurious point.

Your next two claims need serious proof or I will just dismiss them as conspiracy theories.

 

[ferball]

Where have I claimed he is my saviour? I think his foundation is doing good work and has noble aims in the third world.

Medicins Sans Frontiers has been arguing with Gates' vaccine initiative for years about their practises. Lots of what they say has merit IMO.