Play Nice Random Chat Thread IV

[Hojuman]

" A learner driver was caught by police allegedly seven times over the standard legal drink drive limit.

The 35-year-old from Hoppers Crossing, south west of Melbourne, was noticed by police late last night. He was said to be “driving erratically and with no headlights” at about 10.15pm.
The driver was pulled over where he gave a positive preliminary breath test.
At the police station he gave an evidentiary breath test result of 0.315 which is almost seven times the legal maximum of 0.05 "


Amazing.

 

[Val Keating]

Of course not. They're invested in racism.

I wonder where it ends? How do the authorities appease them? Give them bread and a circus won’t cut it.

 

[Val Keating]

WTF are they doing to this kid?

 

[Tas]

WTF are they doing to this kid?
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How dare you!

 

[Val Keating]

How dare you!

She’s going to be on crack before she’s 21 at this rate

 

[Val Keating]

Shits wild. This is Paris. How does this end?

 

[Chadwiko]

WTF are they doing to this kid?

Can't tell if you realise that it's satire or not...

 

[Val Keating]

Can't tell if you realise that it's satire or not...

Lol. Nope they got me. In my defence it’s hard to tell these days.

 

[Mav]

 

[Val Keating]

There was one in New Orleans as well. Mercia

 

[Mr_Nyah]

Probably. In the context of what’s happening over there at the moment I thought it was pretty relevant as it will likely inflame the situation. It’s all on camera.

The bloke was drunk driving and parked at a fast food joint to sleep it off, the cops came and got him out of the car and at some point the situation turned.

You mean the guy that passed out drunk at the wheel in the middle of the drive-through? He hadn't pulled over to sleep it off. The situation turned because he resisted arrest, ignored 10+ commands from the cops to stop resisting arrest, then he grabbed a taser off one of the cops and tried to use it on them. What exactly do people expect cops to do in this situation?

I'm not here to support crooked cops. But if you drunk drive, then resist arrest, then try and attack the cops, what exactly do you expect to happen? As usual, people will play the race card because it suits their agenda. But we'd all be better off looking at the facts and not letting blind emotion dictate our response. America is a country that has some deep-seated racial issues, and a lot has to happen to solve some of those issues, but blaming cops because people get violent against cops and then get shot doesn't help anyone and certainly doesn't help fix anything. I'm not blaming you Val, I understand you're just posting what you hear, but the sources you're hearing stuff from sound pretty biased.

 

[Val Keating]

You mean the guy that passed out drunk at the wheel in the middle of the drive-through? He hadn't pulled over to sleep it off. The situation turned because he resisted arrest, ignored 10+ commands from the cops to stop resisting arrest, then he grabbed a taser off one of the cops and tried to use it on them. What exactly do people expect cops to do in this situation?

I'm not here to support crooked cops. But if you drunk drive, then resist arrest, then try and attack the cops, what exactly do you expect to happen? As usual, people will play the race card because it suits their agenda. But we'd all be better off looking at the facts and not letting blind emotion dictate our response. America is a country that has some deep-seated racial issues, and a lot has to happen to solve some of those issues, but blaming cops because people get violent against cops and then get shot doesn't help anyone and certainly doesn't help fix anything. I'm not blaming you Val, I understand you're just posting what you hear, but the sources you're hearing stuff from sound pretty biased.

None of that means a cop can shoot him in the back as he ran away.

 

[Val Keating]

 

[Val Keating]

Andrew Yang was right, all cops should have mandatory BJJ lessons. Two of them can’t restrain an unarmed man? Pussies have to go for their guns or tazors every time?

 

[Ry009]

No wonder Jones wants more money. This man is terrifying. 193cm -115kgs all muscle. fu** that

Improved out of site as well. His opponent was a bit careless in his last fight, but his power is scary. Would put a normal man in a coma.

 

[Mr_Nyah]

None of that means a cop can shoot him in the back as he ran away.

He tried to attack them with the taser mate, I've watched the footage. Now, I think the cops' best option there was to just let him go and not chase him - they knew who he was, they had his car, he would have been caught soon enough. Cops need to be better trained and better screened so that they can actively de-escalate even in the face of violent criminal behaviour. But he shot the taser at them, that's what caused him to be shot. If the taser wasn't shot then I doubt he would have been shot. Anyone trying to make this a racial issue is too heavily invested in proving a political point. The sooner we look at and judge someone based on their behaviour and not the colour of their skin the better off we'll be. "Parked" is also a generous way of saying "passed out at the wheel with his car blocking a drive-through".

 

[andana]

But he shot the taser at them, that's what caused him to be shot.

The police say, when they use a taser, it is not lethal. Therefore no need to shoot.


Police officers are trained and taught that the Taser is a non-lethal weapon. And the officers had searched the gentlemen at when he when he got out of the car to determine because they asked him, are you armed? And they determined that he was not armed. So for him to turn around and shoot a Taser at the officers did not constitute a threat to the officer's life or a threat to another officer's life.

Perhaps the officer was amped up because this man had taken the taser away from him and began to flee. So, yeah, officers make split second decisions, but at no instance was anyone's life threatened. And force is only only, I think, necessary if the officer's life is truly threatened. Or, number two, if the life of a citizen or someone else is threatened.

 

[Mr_Nyah]

The police say, when they use a taser, it is not lethal. Therefore no need to shoot.


Police officers are trained and taught that the Taser is a non-lethal weapon. And the officers had searched the gentlemen at when he when he got out of the car to determine because they asked him, are you armed? And they determined that he was not armed. So for him to turn around and shoot a Taser at the officers did not constitute a threat to the officer's life or a threat to another officer's life.

Perhaps the officer was amped up because this man had taken the taser away from him and began to flee. So, yeah, officers make split second decisions, but at no instance was anyone's life threatened. And force is only only, I think, necessary if the officer's life is truly threatened. Or, number two, if the life of a citizen or someone else is threatened.

Great post and I agree. I think you've hit the nail on the head when you say they were amped up and the taser just pushed them over the edge. Horrible, and this guy didn't deserve to die for this. It's why I said the cops should be trained to de-escalate even when people are violent against them. The first instinct of a cop can't be to shoot - cops should be held to a higher standard than normal citizens, and if they're not up to that then kick them off the force. I couldn't agree more with your post.

But a simple answer in an imperfect world is to not resist arrest, and certainly not to try and taser the cop. It's not that he deserved to die, because he absolutely didn't, but when you taser a cop what do you expect to happen? For those wanting to have a genuine discussion on systemic racism, particularly in the police force (which is a discussion that does need to happen), this guy is not a horse to which they should hitch their wagon.

 

[Supreme_Chancellor]

For something a bit more amusing.

 

[Val Keating]

He tried to attack them with the taser mate, I've watched the footage. Now, I think the cops' best option there was to just let him go and not chase him - they knew who he was, they had his car, he would have been caught soon enough. Cops need to be better trained and better screened so that they can actively de-escalate even in the face of violent criminal behaviour. But he shot the taser at them, that's what caused him to be shot. If the taser wasn't shot then I doubt he would have been shot. Anyone trying to make this a racial issue is too heavily invested in proving a political point. The sooner we look at and judge someone based on their behaviour and not the colour of their skin the better off we'll be. "Parked" is also a generous way of saying "passed out at the wheel with his car blocking a drive-through".

We’ll see if they’re sacked or charged.

 

[Mr_Nyah]

We’ll see if they’re sacked or charged.

We both know that the corrupt police union will protect him either way unfortunately. Would be nice to have a proper independent body to judge the situation without bias.

 

[ferball]

You mean the guy that passed out drunk at the wheel in the middle of the drive-through? He hadn't pulled over to sleep it off. The situation turned because he resisted arrest, ignored 10+ commands from the cops to stop resisting arrest, then he grabbed a taser off one of the cops and tried to use it on them. What exactly do people expect cops to do in this situation?

I'm not here to support crooked cops. But if you drunk drive, then resist arrest, then try and attack the cops, what exactly do you expect to happen? As usual, people will play the race card because it suits their agenda. But we'd all be better off looking at the facts and not letting blind emotion dictate our response. America is a country that has some deep-seated racial issues, and a lot has to happen to solve some of those issues, but blaming cops because people get violent against cops and then get shot doesn't help anyone and certainly doesn't help fix anything. I'm not blaming you Val, I understand you're just posting what you hear, but the sources you're hearing stuff from sound pretty biased.

He was shot in the back while running away.

 

[ferball]

He tried to attack them with the taser mate, I've watched the footage. Now, I think the cops' best option there was to just let him go and not chase him - they knew who he was, they had his car, he would have been caught soon enough. Cops need to be better trained and better screened so that they can actively de-escalate even in the face of violent criminal behaviour. But he shot the taser at them, that's what caused him to be shot. If the taser wasn't shot then I doubt he would have been shot. Anyone trying to make this a racial issue is too heavily invested in proving a political point. The sooner we look at and judge someone based on their behaviour and not the colour of their skin the better off we'll be. "Parked" is also a generous way of saying "passed out at the wheel with his car blocking a drive-through".

Jean Luc Simpson posted a link under another name ages ago re the bold. A former CIA operative who worked in Afghanistan during the GWOT joined the US police force and wrote an article about it.

The major point he made was the complete absence of police de escalation. They aren't trained in it and are actively encouraged to escalate not de escalate.

The cops are the authority of the state so they never back down, the never de escalate and they never walk away. The state doesn't work that way. It doesn't allow its authority to be challenged.

Re the italic bit. Why would you believe that? Given the killings by cops in the US. Hundreds, sometimes Thousands of black men are shot by cops in the US every year and have been for decades. The vast majority of those shootings haven't inspired this rioting because everyone knows they are justified shootings. Involving people with serious weaponry. It's the murders that are never punished that inspires rioting etc. look at Palm Island or Maquarie Fields in Australia.

Nothing has changed since Rodney Brown with the possible exception that he might not have survived today.

I love the way people who aren't black are banging on about how racism has nothing to do with this.

What the **** would youse know about it.

It's like that Maj inspired with the White hand holding the black hand to stop it falling.

It's a nice sentiment in terms of making ignorant people feel good about themselves but it's an outright lie.

No one held Maj up, he dropped into the river and was very lucky to survive, and the media (fronted by white people) in the lead up to the incident did the opposite.

There's maybe two or three other regular posters on this board who might have enough of a clue to make reasonable comments about what is happening the rest have NFI.

 

[Mr_Nyah]

Jean Luc Simpson posted a link under another name ages ago re the bold. A former CIA operative who worked in Afghanistan during the GWOT joined the US police force and wrote an article about it.

The major point he made was the complete absence of police de escalation. They aren't trained in it and are actively encouraged to escalate not de escalate.

The cops are the authority of the state so they never back down, the never de escalate and they never walk away. The state doesn't work that way. It doesn't allow its authority to be challenged.

Re the italic bit. Why would you believe that? Given the killings by cops in the US. Hundreds, sometimes Thousands of black men are shot by cops in the US every year and have been for decades. The vast majority of those shootings haven't inspired this rioting because everyone knows they are justified shootings. Involving people with serious weaponry. It's the murders that are never punished that inspires rioting etc. look at Palm Island or Maquarie Fields in Australia.

Nothing has changed since Rodney Brown with the possible exception that he might not have survived today.

I love the way people who aren't black are banging on about how racism has nothing to do with this.

What the fu** would youse know about it.

It's like that Maj inspired with the White hand holding the black hand to stop it falling.

It's a nice sentiment in terms of making ignorant people feel good about themselves but it's an outright lie.

No one held Maj up, he dropped into the river and was very lucky to survive, and the media (fronted by white people) in the lead up to the incident did the opposite.

There's maybe two or three other regular posters on this board who might have enough of a clue to make reasonable comments about what is happening the rest have NFI.

I'm sorry, is your argument that anyone that isn't black can't comment on racial issues? I could make the exact same comment back to you: if you aren't white, how do you know what is going through a white man's mind? Silly argument, isn't it? We're on a discussion board, discussing racial tensions, if you can't handle the perspectives and insights of everyone, regardless of skin colour, then you are actively part of the problem. I like your posts most of the time mate, but you've had some real questionable posts since returning to this thread. If you can't accept well-intentioned discussions of complex and controversial issues, then leave the thread again.

 

[DesertRoo]

French City Rocked by Unrest Blamed on Score-Settling Chechens - The Moscow Times

New tensions on Monday flared in France's eastern city of Dijon after it was rocked by a weekend of unrest blamed on Chechens seeking vengeance for an assault on a teenager.

www.themoscowtimes.com

Crazy scenes out of Dijon as Heavily Armed Chechen gangs have been shooting at African gangs.. wild Wild West.

Soldiers take to Dijon as Chechen gangs open fire with assault rifles

France's gendarmerie flooded into Dijon today after videos released on social media show well-armed masked men - who also brandish pistols - in the eastern city, 200 miles from Paris.

www.dailymail.co.uk