Play Nice Random Chat Thread IV

[The acurate one]

One of the few topics we all largely agree upon, with varied perspectives of course.

I just think this place gets to heavy from time to time. Intrinsically I feel all those that post in here are good people. It's dangerous ground when discussing things like racism in written form. A conversation ebbs and flows and allows for clarification. In conversation someone calls someone a campaigner with a smile on their face, tells all you're just messin.
Body language is of course removed online and it can be harder to grasp someones intent.

fyi this isn't directed at you, just an observation.

Coincidentally i got done for racist behavior a few weeks ago. ****en Universities , I got grassed for a couple of things, firstly told the black dude to smile when we're in the dark corridor because he's causing an OHS issue. Yeah probably used my 5 acre voice. We're actually good mates and he knows I'm taking the piss. But the mighty whitey inbred ****er took umbrage .

The other is the ongoing gag is where if he walks into my office, I grab my wallet off the desk and put it in my top drawer. He tries so hard not to laugh.

Anywho I'm half Egyptian and therefor I'm a minority and cannot be done for racism - I've got the gold card. Told 'em that.

So this thread in general needs to lighten the **** up. Oh how's this , I've a sleep over organised with a beautiful lass on the night of the June 27. Now the lovely Ms Lisa... "North aren't playing until the Sunday, so you'll be fine ". Good woman.

Now whilst you all dithered and discussed all things that one does on line. I was busy working in the background. The lovely Ms Lisa works for NSW Covid hotline. How's that for irony? And I feel the covid thread will need to be renamed in honor of TAO.

I sent Passmore a pic - Am sure he can validate if necessary. Racism aye- it certainly helps being mixed race from time to time .

lighten up peeps !!

 

[Val Keating]

CANCEL CULTURE;
Colonial Beer
Coon Cheese
Kellogs Coco Pops YOU'RE NEXT

Breakfast cereal under fire over 'racist' branding

It's an Australian staple but, after generations on supermarket shelves, Kellogg's has been forced to respond to scrutiny.

7news.com.au

This shit is just click baity now.

 

[ferball]

I'm sorry, is your argument that anyone that isn't black can't comment on racial issues? I could make the exact same comment back to you: if you aren't white, how do you know what is going through a white man's mind? Silly argument, isn't it? We're on a discussion board, discussing racial tensions, if you can't handle the perspectives and insights of everyone, regardless of skin colour, then you are actively part of the problem. I like your posts most of the time mate, but you've had some real questionable posts since returning to this thread. If you can't accept well-intentioned discussions of complex and controversial issues, then leave the thread again.

Or what? You'll ask a cop to shoot me?

You can comment on that issue all you like, your comment was factually wrong about the issue and you were commenting on the basis of ignorance not reality.

It's pretty clear that a black man in the US can't make assumption that you made and that I highlighted in italics. Even a former US president made the comment about five years ago, when he was president, how having daughters in their teens meant he didn't have to have the "how not to get shot by the cops" conversation with his kids now they were teenagers. A conversation he'd have to have (like most us black dads (that are still around)) if they were boys.

You can comment all you like, but why would you have any idea of the reality? You're just regurgitating whatever your favourite media outlet has programmed you to think.

You are posting as if racism has nothing to do with this. A decade ago, as this latest batch of trigger happy cop bullshit was kicking off I was reading leaked emails and letters to police newsletters using racist language to describe black people ( ie as a lesser species than white or other non black people) who needed to be taught a lesson. That enough was enough and that these animals needed to be put back in their place. That just cos a monkey was in the White House it didn't mean the rest of them could forget who was really in charge, too many years of political correctness were driving people off the force etc etc.

You're welcome to post your perspective but I reserve the right to express my exasperation at how far removed from reality it is and how much hubris seems to go along with it.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

This shit is just click baity now.

Flexing their muscle now.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

I just think this place gets to heavy from time to time. Intrinsically I feel all those that post in here are good people. It's dangerous ground when discussing things like racism in written form. A conversation ebbs and flows and allows for clarification. In conversation someone calls someone a campaigner with a smile on their face, tells all you're just messin.
Body language is of course removed online and it can be harder to grasp someones intent.

fyi this isn't directed at you, just an observation.

Coincidentally i got done for racist behavior a few weeks ago. fu**en Universities , I got grassed for a couple of things, firstly told the black dude to smile when we're in the dark corridor because he's causing an OHS issue. Yeah probably used my 5 acre voice. We're actually good mates and he knows I'm taking the piss. But the mighty whitey inbred f***er took umbrage .

The other is the ongoing gag is where if he walks into my office, I grab my wallet off the desk and put it in my top drawer. He tries so hard not to laugh.

Anywho I'm half Egyptian and therefor I'm a minority and cannot be done for racism - I've got the gold card. Told 'em that.

So this thread in general needs to lighten the fu** up. Oh how's this , I've a sleep over organised with a beautiful lass on the night of the June 27. Now the lovely Ms Lisa... "North aren't playing until the Sunday, so you'll be fine ". Good woman.

Now whilst you all dithered and discussed all things that one does on line. I was busy working in the background. The lovely Ms Lisa works for NSW Covid hotline. How's that for irony? And I feel the covid thread will need to be renamed in honor of TAO.

I sent Passmore a pic - Am sure he can validate if necessary. Racism aye- it certainly helps being mixed race from time to time .

lighten up peeps !!

I wish I could lighten up, but these are very sensitive and serious issues to discuss.

At the end of the day, we all think we are working towards the betterment of our community, but we all just have different ideas on how to achieve it. We all come from different backgrounds and have our own unique life experiences and knowledge. One person’s experience shouldn’t demean another’s.


The political environment of the last five years has become so toxic that we can’t even have reasonable or respectful discourse without snapping at each other. Hopefully sanity prevails in these chaotic times, as I have lost several friends over this crap.

 

[ferball]

It's not clear to me, are you lumping me in with the posters with "surprisingly racist leanings"? I outright stated multiple times that police reform is needed, that cops need to be better trained and better able to de-escalate situations, and that there are deep-seated racial issues in America. Does thinking that someone who violently resisted arrest and then fought police was shot because he violently resisted arrest and then fought police, rather than because he was black, mean I'm a racist?

Is that the world we live in now? Where saying that classifies you as being depressingly racist? If you have no problem with my posts, then I have no problem with yours. But if you're implying there was anything even remotely racist about my posts then you are actively part of the problem. Reform will come through open dialogue and through talking things through with good faith, not through lumping anyone that has even a 1% differing view to you as being a racist. This kind of attitude is exactly how you end up with a Donald Trump in power, and if it persists, so too will Trump and his ilk.

I dunno if you noticed but you were trying to justify something that's been called a murder.

He wasn't shot while fighting police, he was shot while running away. So he was obviously shot because he resisted arrest and fought the cops, but not in self defence, more as an extra judiciary punishment. Payback for fighting or resisting arrest.

It seems as if you are actively looking for reasons to ignore or minimise this.

Given the context of this discussion it's easy to see how little that black life matters if an obviously criminal act ie ending it unlawfully, is not being recognised as a crime.

 

[ferball]

Sounds like to me that anyone with a contrary opinion to your own has 'NFI'.

Also, the guy's name was Rodney King. Pretty simple fact.

Whatever it was thirty ****en years ago.

 

[ferball]

I have my differences with ferb, but he doesn't strike me as the sort of bloke who gets about pre-empting everything he states with ".....as a person of color....".

That stuff generally emanates from the socio-political devious and manipulative.

I'm black and I'm proud of it.

 

[ferball]

Smart marketing.

They're a business marketing to young idiots who would actually buy beer solely on it's perceived socio-political standing.

Don't underestimate the stupidity of these people.

No it's an Orwellian plot to keep whitey down. Like all the statues.

Good thing it's only one side that plays the victim.

 

[ferball]

Um he just said he has no confidence in any of the voting. ergo he doesn’t have any confidence in the members of his party..

As a leader that’s a shocking revelation/statement..

if the libs had any sort of bite, they’d repeat that statement any time a member stood up and spoke in parliament.

It's astounding.

Although it's probably the same story on both sides.

But yeah only someone in Andrews position could get away with that.

 

[ferball]

What astounds me looking from the outside is no one (again, don’t know what’s happening) seems to be saying to the officers at the morning briefing “Guys, they are looking for these things to happen, let’s use our common sense and understand we are under the microscope here”

I know. And that obviously leads to the next question ...why not?

I reckon they don't care. They probably think they need to be seen to be the toughest gang on the street, especially now.

There is a file floating around with ... I dunno maybe over a thousand by now ... acts of police brutality since these riots started, I havent looked for a while cos it's too big so I dunno the exact number. All videoed and posted on Twitter. The file is just links in a google doc.

I've seen some, a random sample and it varies from minor violence to some brutal beatings. There are apparently video of shooting with rubber bullets at very close range but I didn't see them. I only looked at a few random links.

Different cops, different looking uniforms, so it's not localised. It seems the cops don't give a **** and this is a fight they intend to win. I imagine the briefings are more "we can't back down or let them intimidate us" than "use your common sense and be calm".

 

[ferball]

The reality is, even if we had every police officer be indigenous, everyone in command be indigenous, every politician be indigenous people like you would claim there was still systemic racism in the police force because you are ideologically conditioned to accept it, regardless of the reality. No amount of data will make a spit of difference.

While we still have crimes, particularly crimes to the extent that occur currently in indigenous communities, there is going to be a significant interaction between the police and the community. This isn't just about people cruising around to abuse the indigenous, they are usually calling the police asking for help. For every criminal there are numerous more victims of criminals and in the indigenous community that means there are a lot of people who are victims who do not want to be and want help to prevent them from being killed or abused. We need to have a functional police force that can help them.

Most of our police forces have both Aboriginal Community Liaison Officers and Police Aboriginal Liaison Officers that are used to build solid foundations between the police and the communities. We go out of our way to keep Aboriginal youths out of jail, avoid criminal records, we have many programs between Police and Aboriginal Youths, like the boxing program in Redfern which is about repairing relationships between the community and Police.

I think here in Australia there is a genuine desire to have healthy and happy Indigenous communities and every instance of abuse is investigated, significantly more resources go towards it which highlights why incidents of abuse are much lower now than they for non-indigenous.

I just don't think you can transfer USA or Canadian guilt and dump it on Australia. Sure, we still have incidents of abuse, we still have poorer treatment in regional areas where they lack the resources but there is a genuine desire and action here to improve things. There is far less being done in terms of Aboriginal on Aboriginal care and progress than is made between Police and the public. There is way too much Indigenous on Indigenous crime and that is causing the Police to be involved. It is probability and statistics, every interaction is another percentile chance of an encounter going wrong, no matter how cautious you are, even if the incident rates are much lower than they between Police and non-indigenous, people only need one bad case to wheel out the systemic racism trope. It is systemic if the data say it is. It is a value, a fact, not a feeling.



That person should never have been shot at, the whole incident is disgusting. There are so many bad cases in the USA where police do not treat people as human beings. They should approached this guy looking to help him, it wouldn't have killed them to have one officer take his keys, drive him home with the other following in the car, have a chat to him about drinking, try and get him into an AA program. Instead he is dead, tragic waste of life, the police there aren't trained to help the community, they are just there to enforce laws, with a heavy hand.



I thought Ferball said he wasn't indigenous. Apologies if I confused him for someone else.



I am curious, where is this "system racism"? Is it in the politicians that appoint the police? The chief of police? The chain of command? Rank and File?

There has to be some kind of level of authority that promotes it, condones it, protects it. Rather than just use a bogeyman term, quantify it, pick any police force, even in Minneapolis. There has to be something tangible behind the claims. People must be doing something to promote this system of oppression. Who are these people? Look at the cases in question, what has been the response to them, what are the reactions and why. It has to be more than a bogeyman, it is not like we have KKK running around running the show.

I just want people to peel back the rhetoric and look at the people involved, at the end of the day it has to be something tangible and not just a feeling. There are reasons why things break down or don't work as we would like. I just require there to be evidence and the greater the claim, the more evidence is required. If I said Aliens were responsible and mind controlling us you wouldn't accept my feelings, you would want some pretty hard evidence it was happening. I have a hard time believing democratic states, left enough to consider defunding police, with black representation on the council, black chief of police and many black police officers are pushing some narrative of being racist within the police force. It doesn't make sense, who are these bad actors making this happen.

You claimed that I have the opinion that there is no systemic racism, that isn't my opinion. Nobody has shown there is systemic racism. As terrible as the deaths and abuse of black people have been in the USA, they kill and abuse everyone regardless of race or gender. If there is a conspiracy to abuse a particular race more than others as a system of hate, surely we would know about it, people infiltrated KKK, neo-nazi groups. Where is this source of hatred coming from?

Systemic racism is what enables a system where people who don't think they are actually better than their teammate will still call him "chimp".

 

[rickety]

I just think this place gets to heavy from time to time. Intrinsically I feel all those that post in here are good people. It's dangerous ground when discussing things like racism in written form. A conversation ebbs and flows and allows for clarification. In conversation someone calls someone a campaigner with a smile on their face, tells all you're just messin.
Body language is of course removed online and it can be harder to grasp someones intent.

fyi this isn't directed at you, just an observation.

Coincidentally i got done for racist behavior a few weeks ago. fu**en Universities , I got grassed for a couple of things, firstly told the black dude to smile when we're in the dark corridor because he's causing an OHS issue. Yeah probably used my 5 acre voice. We're actually good mates and he knows I'm taking the piss. But the mighty whitey inbred f***er took umbrage .

The other is the ongoing gag is where if he walks into my office, I grab my wallet off the desk and put it in my top drawer. He tries so hard not to laugh.

Anywho I'm half Egyptian and therefor I'm a minority and cannot be done for racism - I've got the gold card. Told 'em that.

So this thread in general needs to lighten the fu** up. Oh how's this , I've a sleep over organised with a beautiful lass on the night of the June 27. Now the lovely Ms Lisa... "North aren't playing until the Sunday, so you'll be fine ". Good woman.

Now whilst you all dithered and discussed all things that one does on line. I was busy working in the background. The lovely Ms Lisa works for NSW Covid hotline. How's that for irony? And I feel the covid thread will need to be renamed in honor of TAO.

I sent Passmore a pic - Am sure he can validate if necessary. Racism aye- it certainly helps being mixed race from time to time .

lighten up peeps !!

When your mate sees you, does he go "Waaayyyooo waaayyyooo" Bangles style?

 

[ferball]

Surely this is the nadir:

Former Greens MP on why Victoria, Queensland should consider changing names

I agree.

We could call one Redneck Blunderland and the other Once Were Wowsers.

 

[ferball]

while the worlds eyes are on the maddie investigation, it’s worth a look at Kentler Project.


The 'Kentler Project' in West Berlin routinely placed homeless children with pedophile men, assuming they'd make ideal foster parents. A study has found the practice went on for decades.
Starting in the 1970s psychology professor Helmut Kentler conducted his "experiment." Homeless children in West Berlin were intentionally placed with pedophile men. These men would make especially loving foster parents, Kentler argued.
A study conducted by the university of Hildesheim has found that authorities in Berlin condoned this practice for almost 30 years. The pedophile foster fathers even received a regular care allowance.
Helmut Kentler (1928-2008) was in a leading position at Berlin's center for educational research. He was convinced that sexual contact between adults and children was harmless.
Berlin's child welfare offices and the governing Senate turned a blind eye or even approved of the placements.

Several years ago two of the victims came forward and told their story, since then the researchers at Hildesheim University have plowed through files and conducted interviews.

What they found was a "network across educational institutions," the state youth welfare office and the Berlin Senate, in which pedophilia was "accepted, supported, defended."

Kentler himself was in regular contact with the children and their foster fathers. He was never prosecuted: By the time his victims came forward, the statute of limitations for his actions had expired. This has also thus far prevented the victims from getting any compensation.

The researchers found that several of the foster fathers were high-profile academics. They speak of a network that included high-ranking members of the Max Planck Institute, Berlin's Free University, and the notorious Odenwald School in Hesse, West Germany, which was at the center of a major pedophilia scandal several years ago. It has since been closed down.

Berlin's senator for youth and children, Sandra Scheeres called the findings "shocking and horrifying."

A first report on the "Kentler experiment" was published in 2016 by the University of Göttingen. The researchers then stated that the Berlin Senate seemed to lack interest in finding out the truth.

Now Berlin authorities have vowed to shed light on the matter.

Berlin authorities placed children with pedophiles – DW – 06/15/2020

The 'Kentler Project' in West Berlin routinely placed homeless children with pedophile men, assuming they'd make ideal foster parents. A study has found the practice went on for decades.

m.dw.com

What an absolute Kentler.

There is some pretty ****ed up stuff happens tho so it's not really surprising.

 

[ferball]

Lol, so secret I didn't know it myself. After consulting the google machine, I reckon I may just have a few Luddite tendencies I don't mind the Levellers either

I can dig that.

 

[rickety]

 

[Val Keating]

Flexing their muscle now.

Half the stories have no substance. There’s articles written about comments left by people on Twitter...who aren’t even using their real names. That article then gets retweeted by some blue tick person and off we go again. It’s a trolls wet dream.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Half the stories have no substance. There’s articles written about comments left by people on Twitter...who aren’t even using their real names. That article then gets retweeted by some blue tick person and off we go again. It’s a trolls wet dream.

I’m increasingly thinking that bots are a large part of it now.

 

[Tas]

Systemic racism is what enables a system where people who don't think they are actually better than their teammate will still call him "chimp".

Yeah, it was bizarre behaviour at Collingwood but I think the general public and wider football community reaction is one of surprise, disappointment and anger. I haven't heard it being something widespread among clubs. Lumumba said Malthouse didn't know about it and after the first time be brought it up at a team meeting it had stopped. It should never have happened but football clubs can be boys clubs and are prone to doing stupid things, ie our infamous Chicken video. It sounds like there was a group, including Buckley, McGuire and some players, who used that slur. Disgusting that it did happen and he has every reason to be upset that it did and speak out against it.

Is what happened there a representation of attitudes around the club, around Australia? Generally speaking, whenever there has been any sort of vilification everyone has got around and supported the player in question in terms of clubs, the wider football community and the public. Does it seem that there is a tolerance or acceptance of that kind of thing in general? You think something like that goes on at our club, at other clubs?

 

[Val Keating]

I’m increasingly thinking that bots are a large part of it now.

It’s all about them clicks. Got to get that traffic

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

I know. And that obviously leads to the next question ...why not?

I reckon they don't care. They probably think they need to be seen to be the toughest gang on the street, especially now.

There is a file floating around with ... I dunno maybe over a thousand by now ... acts of police brutality since these riots started, I havent looked for a while cos it's too big so I dunno the exact number. All videoed and posted on Twitter. The file is just links in a google doc.

I've seen some, a random sample and it varies from minor violence to some brutal beatings. There are apparently video of shooting with rubber bullets at very close range but I didn't see them. I only looked at a few random links.

Different cops, different looking uniforms, so it's not localised. It seems the cops don't give a fu** and this is a fight they intend to win. I imagine the briefings are more "we can't back down or let them intimidate us" than "use your common sense and be calm".

Those far right boogaloos think they are in charge. The police are trying to take charge. Those setting up autonomous zones are trying to take charge. Those tearing down statues think they are in charge.

Add guns and the whole thing is a cluster and makes meaningful changes really difficult to implement.

I am glad you feel proud of your heritage. So am I, despite my ancestors losing two world wars. None of us should feel ashamed of our heritage and none of us should feel collective guilt for crimes/events that occurred before birth.

 

[bengrina]

Winx or Black Caviar?

 

[Snake_Baker]

I'm black and I'm proud of it.

Enjoy your melanin, personally I think it's a pretty boring molecule.



.........and BTW, don't be a hypocrite and get bent out of shape if you come across a white pride t-shirt wearer.

 

[Engimal v3]

Winx or Black Caviar?

Both look like dud roots to me, but I'll get back to you on my preference