Play Nice Random Chat Thread IV

[Val Keating]

Fear that he was gonna get away without being shot in the back you mean?

The cops probably a pussy. It’s probably why he pulled a gun in the first place. The cop had no control over the situation and shot him because of fear.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Unfortunate scenario of a society where the probability of a member of the public is in possession of a firearm.

This justifies the irrational shooting of people?

 

[koshari]

Fear that he was gonna get away without being shot in the back you mean?

Fear is very real. Remember that brazilian bloke that got gunned down in the UK running to catch a train not long after a bombing.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Fear is very real. Remember that brazilian bloke that got gunned down in the UK running to catch a train not long after a bombing.

The last thing that a person afraid of their own shadow needs is a gun, and they certainly shouldn't go looking to become a cop.

 

[koshari]

This justifies the irrational shooting of people?

Sorry. Couldnt find in my post where i actually suggested it was. I was merely stating where the probability of people possessing a firearm makes people more feared. Buy hey feel free to jump to conclusions.

 

[Val Keating]

Unfortunate scenario of a society where the probability of a member of the public is in possession of a firearm. I reckon we have the balance from a law perspective a little on the conservative side but happy enough it's not open slather. Having said that i dont beleive hardly any of the public firearm offences on the US or here are involving legally registered firearm. Domestic matters sadly is another matter.

Yeah because of their ancient gun laws everyone’s potential armed with a gun

 

[koshari]

The last thing that a person afraid of their own shadow needs is a gun, and they certainly shouldn't go looking to become a cop.

Agree on both points.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Sorry. Couldnt find in my post where i actually suggested it was. I was merely stating where the probability of people possessing a firearm makes people more feared. Buy hey feel free to jump to conclusions.

You basically reiterated my point.

If a policeman can't evaluate the situation on its merits then they have no right being policemen and should have been weeded out in the selection process.

 

[koshari]

Yeah because of their ancient gun laws everyone’s potential armed with a gun

Glad someone recignised the point i was making.

 

[koshari]

You basically reiterated my point.

And you missed mine.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Glad someone recignised the point i was making.

Your actual point was to deflect from this event to promote your personal political views about gun ownership?

Private gun ownership resulting in deaths is dwarfed by Government sanctioned murder. Can I count on your support to get rid of that?

 

[Hojuman]

Typhoon Bavi hits Seoul.


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[ferball]

The cops probably a pussy. It’s probably why he pulled a gun in the first place. The cop had no control over the situation and shot him because of fear.

Or because he had no control of the situation and wanted to enforce compliance. Cos just from looking at the video I don't think the cop was scared.


There were two armed cops, the guy was obviously unarmed. Surely they could have just jumped him and arrested him the way cops do.

 

[koshari]

Your actual point was to deflect from this event to promote your personal political views about gun ownership?

Private gun ownership resulting in deaths is dwarfed by Government sanctioned murder. Can I count on your support to get rid of that?

No it wasnt. Again your jumping to conclusions. Is is simply too hard for you to believe i was making a point regarding more firearms in society create elevated levels of fear?

 

[Snake_Baker]

No it wasnt. Again your jumping to conclusions. Is is simply too hard for you to believe i was making a point regarding more firearms in society create elevated levels of fear?

I'm just trying to work out what point you actually have that is relevant to the situation. It doesn't appear you have one.

Your population firearms propensity points were certainly redundant.

 

[koshari]

mate read the thread title, this is a random chat thread on a public internet forum, not the knights of the templer table, for the 3rd time i was merely suggesting that in a society where firearms are more plentiful its not unreasonable to assume people reactions are influenced by fear.

what ever the reason i know from experiance that the way law enforcement officers in the US react to an incident is very different to this country, my wife and myself were walking from the trolly to the hire car depot in San Francisco a few years back and we witnessed an officer restraining a random on the street. it was actually pretty scary for us and we had no involvement in the exchange other than just walking by.

 

[Ry009]

All police should be physically trained in something like Krav Maga.

Last incident shows that policeman took the worst of several options in dealing with that situation.

Bloke wasn't exactly sprinting either.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

Tim Tszyu, goes alright.

 

[muttley45]

Tim Tszyu, goes alright.

Completely outclassed Horn from all reports

 

[Sopwiths North]

Maybe the cops were afraid Jacob Blake had a gun. I don't know. But it doesn't justify shooting him in the back seven times, with his 3 children right there in the car witnessing. Frankly nothing justifies that. It's attempted murder.

Should Blake have not walked away? Should he have let the cops take him down and not resist? I dunno. Maybe ask George Floyd that question.

Meanwhile, in the same state, white guys can protest pandemic response efforsts with assault rifles.




They shot Blake because he was Black. This continued making excuses for the criminal behaviour of white cops against Black men (and women) is bizarre, and disheartening. It also prevents us from moving forward and finding solutions to the problem. But then that would mean change, and we all know about change. That's where the fear is. If we want to talk about fear on here, that's what we need to look at.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Maybe the cops were afraid Jacob Blake had a gun. I don't know. But it doesn't justify shooting him in the back seven times, with his 3 children right there in the car witnessing. Frankly nothing justifies that. It's attempted murder.

Should Blake have not walked away? Should he have let the cops take him down and not resist? I dunno. Maybe ask George Floyd that question.

Meanwhile, in the same state..




They shot Blake because he was Black. This continued making excuses for the criminal behaviour of white cops against Black men (and women) is bizarre, and disheartening. It also prevents us from moving forward and finding solutions to the problem. But then that would mean change, and we all know about change. That's where the fear is. If we want to talk about fear on here, that's what we need to look at.

What are the statistics that relate to white cops shooting caucasians?

Black on black?

Black on white?

Not to minimize the problem, but there is more to these situations than ‘he shot him because he was black’.

 

[goalieboy82]

and from this morning too:
Coach Scamper:

 

[Sopwiths North]

What are the statistics that relate to white cops shooting caucasians?

Black on black?

Black on white?

Not to minimize the problem, but there is more to these situations than ‘he shot him because he was black’.

I don't know - why don't you go find them and post them? Similarily, also please tell me what "more" there is to this situation - tell us what offence Jacob Blake committed that justified him being shot point blank in the back 7 times in front of his children. It'd be good to know. Cos the the Kenosha police union sure isn't talking.

If there's "more to these situations", then please tell about what that is. I'd love to hear.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

I don't know - why don't you go find them and post them? Similarily, also please tell me what "more" there is to this situation - tell us what offence Jacob Blake committed that justified him being shot point blank in the back 7 times in front of his children. It'd be good to know. Cos the the Kenosha police union sure isn't talking.

If there's "more to these situations", then please tell about what that is. I'd love to hear.

People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2024| Statista

The trend of fatal police shootings in the U.S. seems to only be increasing each year, with Black civilians having the highest rates of being killed by police.

www.statista.com

Done.

Without watching the full encounter, you, me, and everyone else has no idea why he was shot. He’s a career criminal who could’ve done any number of things up to that point.

Did he threaten to go and get a gun from his car? A knife?

The reason for the ‘no comment’ is that it’s an ongoing criminal investigation. No police force in the world gives any information on ongoing criminal investigations.

 

[Sopwiths North]

People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2024| Statista

The trend of fatal police shootings in the U.S. seems to only be increasing each year, with Black civilians having the highest rates of being killed by police.

www.statista.com

Done.

Without watching the full encounter, you, me, and everyone else has no idea why he was shot. He’s a career criminal who could’ve done any number of things up to that point.

Did he threaten to go and get a gun from his car? A knife?

The reason for the ‘no comment’ is that it’s an ongoing criminal investigation. No police force in the world gives any information on ongoing criminal investigations.

Thanks for those stats. Here's the section from them on rate by ethnicity:


https://www.statista.com/statistics/1123070/police-shootings-rate-ethnicity-us/

"The rate of fatal police shootings in the United States shows large differences based on ethnicity. Among Black Americans, the rate of fatal police shootings between 2015 and July 2020 stood at 31 per million of the population, while for White Americans, the rate stood at 13 fatal police shootings per million of the population."