Play Nice Random Chat Thread V

[Snake_Baker]

That’s what I meant.

Her public/online popularity has given her added political currency. Her word against Cuomco holds greater weight than a normal junior congresswoman would normally have.

She's popular with the vacuous twerp element.

 

[Ligma]

Yeah, popularity doesn't happen in a vacuum. She's popular because she's highly intelligent, charismatic, a savvy political operator and, perhaps most of all, she regularly demonstrates sincere, genuine empathy and compassion, a quality sadly lacking in much of the political stock both here and the US.

PERIOD and when she live streamed her playing among us it was the cutest thing ever.


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[DesertRoo]

The bolded is important. It's frightening that people attack her mercilessly and at the same time are supportive of the person who embodies the opposite, Trump.

She’s a marketing exercise, she doesn’t really care..

 

[Snake_Baker]

She’s a marketing exercise, she doesn’t really care..

Yep.

"Are you an upwordly mobile stupid young woman?" " If so, then AOC is the girl for YOU!"

 

[AnEmptyChair]

She’s a marketing exercise, she doesn’t really care..

She's a marketing exercise? Like her existence? By whom? For whom? Is this another one of your weird flirtations with the conspiracy fringes, DR?

 

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[LuvtheKangas]

She’s a marketing exercise, she doesn’t really care..

I totally disagree with that interpretation.

Sure, she's a politician and has personal biases / agendas, but (IMO) it's wilful ignorance if you choose to refute that she has genuine empathy and compassion for others and is committed to improving other people's lives

 

[DesertRoo]

She's a marketing exercise? Like her existence? By whom? For whom? Is this another one of your weird flirtations with the conspiracy fringes, DR?

She’s a lying politician..
She cares more about power then actual policies.
She uses emotion to gain it.

 

[DesertRoo]

I totally disagree with that interpretation.

Sure, she's a politician and has personal biases / agendas, but (IMO) it's wilful ignorance if you choose to refute that she has genuine empathy and compassion for others and is committed to improving other people's lives

Wilful blindness or contrived ignorance is a pretty strong accusation to throw about..

 

[AnEmptyChair]

She’s a lying politician..
She cares more about power then actual policies.
She uses emotion to gain it.

That doesn't answer the question. She's a marketing exercise for whom and by whom, DR?

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Wilfully ignorant is a pretty strong accusation to throw about..

It means that you are ignoring the favourable / laudable aspects of her persona, due to your desire to dismiss her entirely by focusing on the negatives. I think it's fair in that context.

I partially base it on your puzzling unwillingness to accept that she feared for her life on Jan 6, a day when she had numerous death threats against her and was physically present when an unprecedented situation arose and escalated. The fact that she was in a nearby building and not the one stormed is in no way supportive of the conclusion that she was lying about being scared.

 

[DesertRoo]

That doesn't answer the question. She's a marketing exercise for whom and by whom, DR?

Self promotional American politicians are only surpassed by the actresses and actors at the oscars..

 

[BogBot]

That doesn't answer the question. She's a marketing exercise for whom and by whom, DR?

I won’t argue about the marketing comment. But the progressive wing of the dems have been all talk and no action.

They have have had a couple of excellent opportunities to force votes on minimum wage increases and to put Medicare for all onto the floor for a vote but have folded like a deck of cards both times.

They are either politically inept or more interested in towing the party line than helping the people they claim to represent.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

I won’t argue about the marketing comment. But the progressive wing of the dems have been all talk and no action.

They have have had a couple of excellent opportunities to force votes on minimum wage increases and to put Medicare for all onto the floor for a vote but have folded like a deck of cards both times.

They are either politically inept or more interested in towing the party line than helping the people they claim to represent.

Yes, the Democrats have been disappointing. Frankly, not unexpected.

Do you think this means that AOC's public persona of being caring and compassionate is all a sham?

 

[BogBot]

Yes, the Democrats have been disappointing. Frankly, not unexpected.

Do you think this means that AOC's public persona of being caring and compassionate is all a sham?

I tend to judge politicians by their actions,

She campaigned on using all available political tools to get universal healthcare and minimum wage increases.

When the opportunity arrived it was all to hard.

 

[Forever North]

Like most politicians AOC has probably gone in with the best intentions etc but the ‘system’ will turn her into the standard bitter, lying, grubby scumbags they all become.

 

[DesertRoo]

It means that you are ignoring the favourable / laudable aspects of her persona, due to your desire to dismiss her entirely by focusing on the negatives. I think it's fair in that context.

I partially base it on your puzzling unwillingness to accept that she feared for her life on Jan 6, a day when she had numerous death threats against her and was physically present when an unprecedented situation arose and escalated. The fact that she was in a nearby building and not the one stormed is in no way supportive of the conclusion that she was lying about being scared.

What are we talking about here??
the fact her words and actions are miles apart?
Do you acknowledge that she doesn’t actually follow through on basically any of her tweets, kids in cages?

As I said contrived ignorance is pretty big accusation to be throwing about..

 

[LuvtheKangas]

I tend to judge politicians by their actions,

She campaigned on using all available political tools to get universal healthcare and minimum wage increases.

When the opportunity arrived it was all to hard.

LOL, it's her fault that some other Democrats folded because they are typical scumbag politicians, is that your opinion?

 

[Ligma]

When can people specify older men stop making women uncomfortable on public transport? Like the staring has to stop.

I’m not saying all men of course not but on the rise of awareness about SA and harassment, we just want to feel safe.

I was on the train coming back from training, in my uniform and this guy had the balls to stare at me the whole time. In real life not behind a screen I am a very shy person who has anxiety, I don’t have the courage to find a voice without either balling my eyes out or feeling so sick.

I’m sick of our voices not being heard without some immature boy trying to invalidate our feelings whether it’s a male or female victim.


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[LuvtheKangas]

What are we talking about here??
the fact words words and actions are miles apart?
Do you acknowledge that she doesn’t actually follow through on basically any of her tweets, kids in cages?

As I said contrived ignorance is pretty big accusation to be throwing about..

Calm down, I'm not denying (even in today's exchange) that she has flaws and plays politics. But you clearly have a set against her and it has led to an unwillingness on your part to see that she is trying to do good for others. Simple as that, she does have compassion and empathy and it drives her to some degree (a large degree, IMO). If you're going to deny that she does have compassion and empathy, then what can I say? I'm actually not arguing any other point here.

 

[DesertRoo]

Calm down, I'm not denying (even in today's exchange) that she has flaws and plays politics. But you clearly have a set against her and it has led to an unwillingness on your part to see that she is trying to do good for others. Simple as that, she does have compassion and empathy and it drives her to some degree (a large degree, IMO). If you're going to deny that she does have compassion and empathy, then what can I say? I'm actually not arguing any other point here.

Wilful blindness means you have all the facts in front of you and you’ll still deny it...
your contradictory post above is interesting within the context of the discussion..

All I’ve said is she’s a liar, she’s had an abundance of opportunities to stand by what she tweets. Yet she doesn’t do it.. she would rather play for power.
We’ll see how long it takes for her to become bolted on establishment, selling a war to the public..

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Wilful blindness means you have all the facts in front of you and you’ll still deny it...
your contradictory post above is interesting within the context of the discussion..

All I’ve said is she’s a liar, she’s had an abundance of opportunities to stand by what she tweets. Yet she doesn’t do it.. she would rather play for power.
We’ll see how long it takes for her to become bolted on establishment, selling a war to the public..

OK, so you've evaluated all of the facts and come to the view that she does not possess the characteristics of empathy and compassion (i.e. it's a sham). I'm willing to concede that's not necessarily wilful blindness, but I can't see how the conclusion is justified based on the known body of facts, which is why I concluded it to be wilful blindness.

You're moving the goalposts if you are now saying we're arguing about whether or not she's a liar. We're not. We're arguing about whether or not her public persona of being a compassionate, empathetic person is genuine or fake. That's it.

Bottom line - she either has compassion and empathy (my view) or she doesn't and she's faking it (your view). As you said, we'll see who's right in due course.

 

[DesertRoo]

OK, so you've evaluated all of the facts and come to the view that she does not possess the characteristics of empathy and compassion (i.e. it's a sham). I'm willing to concede that's not necessarily wilful blindness, but I can't see how the conclusion is justified based on the known body of facts, which is why I concluded it to be wilful blindness.

You're moving the goalposts if you are now saying we're arguing about whether or not she's a liar. We're not. We're arguing about whether or not her public persona of being a compassionate, empathetic person is genuine or fake. That's it.

Bottom line - she either has compassion and empathy (my view) or she doesn't and she's faking it (your view). As you said, we'll see who's right in due course.

So you’ve taken the opinion all care and no responsibly is ok??

In this post truth world, she’s the perfect politician, she talks like a radical, talks of social responsibility has triggered an emotional response in people, by actually campaigning on issues that will effect people’s lives but does none of it.
Revolutionary’s like Malcolm X and Bobby Seal would be rolling in their grave, seeing someone walk in their shoes, gain a position of power where she could actually create change, yet fold like a deck of cards and still have people from half way around the world leap spritely to her defence at the slightest criticism.

it’s a strange world.

 

[Snake_Baker]

She’s a lying politician..
She cares more about power then actual policies.
She uses emotion to gain it.

 

[Snake_Baker]

When can people specify older men stop making women uncomfortable on public transport? Like the staring has to stop.

I’m not saying all men of course not but on the rise of awareness about SA and harassment, we just want to feel safe.

I was on the train coming back from training, in my uniform and this guy had the balls to stare at me the whole time. In real life not behind a screen I am a very shy person who has anxiety, I don’t have the courage to find a voice without either balling my eyes out or feeling so sick.

I’m sick of our voices not being heard without some immature boy trying to invalidate our feelings whether it’s a male or female victim.

You're taking on biology.

Good luck.