Play Nice Random Chat Thread V

[DesertRoo]

I'm not denying the obvious fact that Trump supporters are more militant. They're just less numerous than non Trump supporters. He knows it too, i.e. suppressing voter turnout, methods and tallying.

like traditionally having the vote on a tuesday? so workers have to choose between earning a living or voting?
or like having smaller voting stations in disadvantaged areas compared to wealthier areas? leading to massive cues for some, not others.
None of this is new news...

 

[LuvtheKangas]

like traditionally having the vote on a tuesday? so workers have to choose between earning a living or voting?
or like having smaller voting stations in disadvantaged areas compared to wealthier areas? leading to massive cues for some, not others.
None of this is new news...

Yeah, for future reference, you can assume I'm aware of these basic problems with the US voting system. They're certainly not new news, I agree.

I'm surprised that you are conveniently ignoring what Trump has desperately tried to do in the context of this election, though.

 

[Ry009]

 

[DesertRoo]

Yeah, for future reference, you can assume I'm aware of these basic problems with the US voting system. They're certainly not new news, I agree.

I'm surprised that you are conveniently ignoring what Trump has desperately tried to do in the context of this election, though.

what I'm saying is its irrelevant in the context of whats happening,
the fact both parties have set this up as, the other is stealing the election, so what ever happens you need to march on the streets, is the story..
Trump, Biden, Clinton and Obama are all complicate in illegitimatising the US election.

If you're sitting here just saying Trump is only one doing it, you're only watching half the story.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

what I'm saying is its irrelevant in the context of whats happening,
the fact both parties have set this up as, the other is stealing the election, so what ever happens you need to march on the streets, is the story..
Trump, Biden, Clinton and Obama are all complicate in illegitimatising the US election.

OK, I accept that. Just not sure how is correlates with you pointing out that Biden moved on and cancelled the Texas rallies (due to the rednecks threatening violence), but you assert that wouldn't have happened to Trump.

 

[Sopwiths North]

Are the cops stopping their protests? Maybe they can’t because they’re likely more armed then the police

Someone called the cops from the Biden bus, but cops supposedly couldn't make it because of traffic. I don't know, maybe their siren thingys weren't working or something.

 

[Snake_Baker]

78 days of chaos in the US coming up? Spose there was a bit of carry on when Trump got elected so it’s going to be nuts either way.

It's over.

It's just going through the death throes now.

There's no hope either.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Someone called the cops from the Biden bus, but cops supposedly couldn't make it because of traffic. I don't know, maybe their siren thingys weren't working or something.

Aren't the dems supposed to be in favor of getting rid of cops?

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Aren't the dems supposed to be in favor of getting rid of cops?

Literally, no. You've been misinformed, again.

 

[Sopwiths North]

also, lols at this -

 

[DesertRoo]

OK, I accept that. Just not sure how is correlates with you pointing out that Biden moved on and cancelled the Texas rallies (due to the rednecks threatening violence), but you assert that wouldn't have happened to Trump.

Within the context of what we're talking about, I'm unsure of what your point is..
Do you think Trump would call off a Rally, if he thought it would turn violent or do you think he would jump on twitter and call the MAGA crowd to come out ?

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Within the context of what we're talking about, I'm unsure of what your point is..
Do you think Trump would call off a Rally, if he thought it would turn violent or do you think he would jump on twitter?

My point is, you looked at the bus incident and suggested that it was proof that Biden doesn't have the support that Trump does. I pointed out that it was Texas and that if the support for Trump was widespread, he wouldn't need to undertake his desperate voter suppression acts.

You countered that there has always been a crap voting system there, but ignored the current desperate voter suppression acts.

When I pointed that out, you said it was irrelevant in the context of what's happening and named people who are complicit in election stealing. I don't see how this is consistent with your original point.

Now it's "what do you think Trump would have done?" Well, it's likely that in Texas he would have done one thing, in another state, something else, no? That basically depends upon where the rednecks are, at the end of the day. But what's it's relevance if your position is that both parties are set up to steal the election and all the big names are complicit?

 

[DesertRoo]

My point is, you looked at a situation in Texas and insinuated that it was proof that Biden doesn't have the support that Trump does. I pointed out that it was Texas and that if the support for Trump was widespread, he wouldn't need to undertake his desperate voter suppression acts.

You countered that there has always been a crap voting system there, but ignored the current desperate voter suppression acts.

When I pointed that out, you said it was irrelevant in the context of what's happening. Which is not consistent with your original point.

Now it's back to "what Trump would have done?" It's likely that in Texas he would have done one thing, in another state, something else. That really depends upon where the rednecks are, at the end of the day. But what's it's relevance your position is that both parties are set up to steal the election and all the big names are complicit?

I think this is what we call a deplorables moment, assuming all Trump supporters are rednecks,
ffs they believe they're fighting for the american ideals they're everywhere.
Trump has cornered the market on american ideology.

And what I'm saying is this is happening all over., this isnt just linked to texas




And by comparison in the Garden State,

 

[Val Keating]

It's over.

It's just going through the death throes now.

There's no hope either.

What’s over? The election? Death throes of the republic was a fantastic podcast by Dan Carlin....did you mean that?

 

[Only Forwards]

current desperate voter suppression acts

I have really tried to detach myself from the us election. But this is something that got me thinking.

Could you imagine a course of events where in Australia voters went to polling booths on election day and there were groups of people so riled up that they were armed and trying to intimidate others into not voting.

I doubt it is something we would ever see.

It is crazy to juxtapose the US system where they are seemingly able to place hurdles in front of a great many people to prevent them from voting whereas in Australia we have a system that penalises people if they ever enrolled and don't.

The Australian system is not without its flaws, I am not all in on preferences, and I can't say that our two party preferred system is the absolute best due to the amount of politicking and pandering it creates. but holy f*** we are just better than they are. And we are not even a republic.

They can have the worlds biggest freedom cake on the lawn of the whitehouse and cut it into 331 million pieces and they still will not have the shit we do.

They are a broken country with historical deepseated issues they have sold themselves completely to the highest bidder.

 

[Val Keating]

I think this is what we call a deplorables moment, assuming all Trump supporters are rednecks,
ffs they believe they're fighting for the american ideals they're everywhere.
Trump has cornered the american ideology.

And what I'm saying is this is happening all over., this isnt just linked to texas

Apparently Topanga canyon CA is getting it to. California is about as blue as it gets

 

[LuvtheKangas]

I think this is what we call a deplorables moment, assuming all trump supporters are rednecks.
What I'm saying is this is happening everywhere.. This isn't linked to Texas.

OK, so you're now re-centring the focus to the 'rednecks' label (which I repeated for a reason).

So, is the assertion "it's happening everywhere" relevant, or are they all complicit in election stealing? What's the point of noting support for one candidate when your overall position is that none of it matters?

 

[DesertRoo]

Apparently Topanga canyon CA is getting it to. California is about as blue as it gets

Its insane.. As you said earlier his supprt is now cultlite
and the media blackout from cnn and the like is telling...

 

[Val Keating]

I have really tried to detach myself from the us election. But this is something that got me thinking.

Could you imagine a course of events where in Australia voters went to polling booths on election day and there were groups of people so riled up that they were armed and trying to intimidate others into not voting.

I doubt it is something we would ever see.

It is crazy to juxtapose the US system where they are seemingly able to place hurdles in front of a great many people to prevent them from voting whereas in Australia we have a system that penalises people if they ever enrolled and don't.

The Australian system is not without its flaws, I am not all in on preferences, and I can't say that our two party preferred system is the absolute best due to the amount of politicking and pandering it creates. but holy f*** we are just better than they are. And we are not even a republic.

They can have the worlds biggest freedom cake on the lawn of the whitehouse and cut it into 331 million pieces and they still will not have the sh*t we do.

They are a broken country with historical deepseated issues they have sold themselves completely to the highest bidder.

I can’t ever seeing this happening in Australia. We’re just not wired to care as much about politics, which is why I think we find what’s going on over there so interesting.

That and our parties are both so similar that nothing changes based on who’s elected. I can’t remember an Australian government changing lives.

 

[DesertRoo]

OK, so you're now re-centring the focus to the 'rednecks' label (which I repeated for a reason).

So, is the assertion "it's happening everywhere" relevant, or are they all complicit in election stealing? What's the point of noting support for one candidate when your overall position is that none of it matters?

Exactly, none of it matters from an Australian point of view..
And theres one party in the US and thats money.

but ignoring the obviously crazy pulling power this guy gets and in the same breath saying 'hes trying to rig the election' is crazy talk.
open the other ear, coz whatever happens over there 50% of the population is going to be at the point of revolution.

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

I have really tried to detach myself from the us election. But this is something that got me thinking.

Could you imagine a course of events where in Australia voters went to polling booths on election day and there were groups of people so riled up that they were armed and trying to intimidate others into not voting.

I doubt it is something we would ever see.

It is crazy to juxtapose the US system where they are seemingly able to place hurdles in front of a great many people to prevent them from voting whereas in Australia we have a system that penalises people if they ever enrolled and don't.

The Australian system is not without its flaws, I am not all in on preferences, and I can't say that our two party preferred system is the absolute best due to the amount of politicking and pandering it creates. but holy f*** we are just better than they are. And we are not even a republic.

They can have the worlds biggest freedom cake on the lawn of the whitehouse and cut it into 331 million pieces and they still will not have the sh*t we do.

They are a broken country with historical deepseated issues they have sold themselves completely to the highest bidder.

I heard a political scientist the other day say the best thing Australia could do to assist democracy in the United States would be assist them to set up a Federal equivalent to the AEC.
We tend to take for granted how smoothly elections run in this country, from polling day to the relative drama-free way in which the HCA sits as the Court of Disputed Returns to resolve any legal/technical issues about the legitimacy of candidates or results.
I don't know if it's the absolute best system in the world, but it's pretty damn functional and effective.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

I heard a political scientist the other day say the best thing Australia could do to assist democracy in the United States would be assist them to set up a Federal equivalent to the AEC.
We tend to take for granted how smoothly elections run in this country, from polling day to the relative drama-free way in which the HCA sits as the Court of Disputed Returns to resolve any legal/technical issues about the legitimacy of candidates or results.
I don't know if it's the absolute best system in the world, but it's pretty damn functional and effective.

Their elections are a mess at every step of step of the process. If they were run correctly and representative, Trump would still be paying for strippers abortions and hosting reality TV

 

[DesertRoo]

Their elections are a mess at every step of step of the process. If they were run correctly and representative, Trump would still be paying for strippers abortions and hosting reality TV

The states over there would never give up that power to the feds..

It’s corruption on nepotism that’s been there since confederation.

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

The states over there would never give up that power to the feds..

It’s corruption on nepotism that’s been there since confederation.

Yes, there's a reason "states" is right there in the name of their nation.
Quite apart from their actual political system, they have a couple of massive issues in the mechanics of it. One is the entrenched gerrymanders that seem impossible to dislodge. Second, is the different polling methods from state to state.
Who knows though? Millennials who didn't grow up in the shadow of the cold War supposedly have fundamentally different views to earlier generations and Trump as the last gasp of a version of US society that ran from 1970s to now may be the precursor to fundamental and radical changes to American society.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Exactly, none of it matters from an Australian point of view..
And theres one party in the US and thats money.

but ignoring the obviously crazy pulling power this guy gets and in the same breath saying 'hes trying to rig the election' is crazy talk.
open the other ear, coz whatever happens over there 50% of the population is going to be at the point of revolution.

I do like your description that his pulling power is crazy. It's not a long way from my rednecks label.

But it's also nowhere near the majority of Americans, and there is no escaping the fact that he is trying to rig the election. You even stated that both sides are trying to steal the election.

I'm well aware of the serious unrest that is about to go down over there.