Play Nice Random Chat Thread V

[DesertRoo]

Yes, there's a reason "states" is right there in the name of their nation.
Quite apart from their actual political system, they have a couple of massive issues in the mechanics of it. One is the entrenched gerrymanders that seem impossible to dislodge. Second, is the different polling methods from state to state.
Who knows though? Millennials who didn't grow up in the shadow of the cold War supposedly have fundamentally different views to earlier generations and Trump as the last gasp of a version of US society that ran from 1970s to now may be the precursor to fundamental and radical changes to American society.

I certainly hope so, still boggles the mind how a country so wealthy, has so many people staving in the streets.
or you get sick and the medicals bills can bankrupt you..

But I fear Americans like always, will look inward for a solution, or go back to the founding fathers to reinterpret something from 300 years ago, to come up with a answers.

When all they need to do is look across the boarder at Canada and ask, eh what’s all this aboat..

 

[Only Forwards]

I heard a political scientist the other day say the best thing Australia could do to assist democracy in the United States would be assist them to set up a Federal equivalent to the AEC.
We tend to take for granted how smoothly elections run in this country, from polling day to the relative drama-free way in which the HCA sits as the Court of Disputed Returns to resolve any legal/technical issues about the legitimacy of candidates or results.
I don't know if it's the absolute best system in the world, but it's pretty damn functional and effective.

They would need to want to change, and they don't.

I mean for starters look at something as simple as the day of elections. In Australia, elections happen on a Saturday. Why? because the vast majority of people don't work on a Saturday. It is a mild inconvenience, but it lets people vote en masse without the need to miss work to do so (not getting into the comparative working condition laws that make time off more difficult in the states. )

In America elections happen on a Tuesday to allow farmers in 1845 the time to travel to town to vote.

They make voting harder for people just because it was easier for land owners (those who could vote) in a time before cars. by every tangible measure this is absurd.

 

[DesertRoo]

I do like your description that his pulling power is crazy. It's not a long way from my rednecks label.

But it's also nowhere near the majority of Americans, and there is no escaping the fact that he is trying to rig the election. You even stated that both sides are trying to steal the election.

I'm well aware of the serious unrest that is about to go down over there.

I think this is where we disagree, I’d say it currently sits about 50/50 with Trump certainly having the more fanatical, more likely to vote on the day.
Just like Clinton before, I can’t see Biden doing this in the primaries, or now, it just isn’t happening.



By comparison Biden Rally in a battleground state, the crowds are only about 30 deep to the front.

 

[Only Forwards]

Imagine what their parties would look like if they had to vote, i mean surely they’d start see some representation across the board. pollys who represent the people..




But we still voted Abbott in..

But it is a mess.

Lets say you straighten out the voter accessibility/election administration issues. The election itself is still beholden to the electoral college.

There are just layers and layers of problems where if you strip one away it will just reveal another.
t.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

This whole American thing is built on the founders beliefs that too much democracy is bad. You see it with the electoral college. Direct election of Senators wasn't installed until a century ago. Democracy was reserved for white, propertied males and others are still fighting against that.

 

[DesertRoo]

Fantastic watch for anyone’s who interested in American politics.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

They are done.

 

[The Other Dean]

my two cents, the media in the western world is so terrible and polarising at the moment, that people of both side of the of the political divide are clinging to conspiracy theories 120 characters at a time.
if they dropped the political point scoring and tried to get to the bottom of a story, the world would be in a better place.

Appropriate segue to quickly revisit the Tucker Carlson convo, DR.

Didn't spend a lot of time raking through these in any kind of detail (spending more than a few minutes on Carlson is the definition of wasting your life), just grabbed a few quick links from the top of the pile as there's literally a ton of stuff available. Including - to reference our earlier discussion - articles where Carlson directly acknowledges (rather than tries to refute the veracity of) comments he made in the articles I linked first time around. So apologies if there's any double-ups, going over previous gone over ground, etc.

But yeah, like I say, it's a mill that is certainly not short on grist.

Just another bigoted tool (both meanings) in the increasingly sullied media landscape you mentioned above.


https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...ry-latin-american-immigrants-2018-3?r=US&IR=T

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/mar/12/tucker-carlson-fox-host-under-fire-racist-comments

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...threat-to-american-democracy-hispanic-voters/

https://www.thedailybeast.com/tucke...y-is-a-hoax-and-not-a-real-problem-in-america

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...son-brands-himself-mr-dirtier/?outputType=amp

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/sto...ist-sexist-and-homophobic-posts-of-course-not

 

[The Other Dean]

Literally, no. You've been misinformed, again.

"People are fooling themselves if they believe there's a difference. Both parties are the same. Nothing will change under the Dems.".....

.....to "Dems want to abolish cops."

Thread needs a whiplash warning.

 

[The Other Dean]

I do like your description that his pulling power is crazy.

Agreed.

Trump's pulling power has never been in dispute.

 

[Caracas]

Because MAGA is a cult and Trump is its leader.

No matter which angle you look at this from, when the leader of a nation proclaims that his supporters have done nothing wrong while threatening to force his opponent’s campaign bus off a road, it certainly raises some red flags, doesn’t it?


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[Val Keating]

No matter which angle you look at this from, when the leader of a nation proclaims that his supporters have done nothing wrong while threatening to force his opponent’s campaign bus off a road, it certainly raises some red flags, doesn’t it?


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It’s something a dictator would say

 

[rickety]

Forgot today was curriculum day at my best little mates school. Called in at 8 as usual, there is Vacation Care, just pop him in there at 9. Off to work for an hour with little Mr. Chatterbox. Dropped him at school, picked him up again with a couple of hours work to go ....... Finally made it home. Am on my second beer while he has cranked up the tele and swinging his acoustic guitar to Bon Jovi's This house is not for sale. Thank whichever god he is only 5, Animal House is on the cards :-D

 

[DesertRoo]

Appropriate segue to quickly revisit the Tucker Carlson convo, DR.

Didn't spend a lot of time raking through these in any kind of detail (spending more than a few minutes on Carlson is the definition of wasting your life), just grabbed a few quick links from the top of the pile as there's literally a ton of stuff available. Including - to reference our earlier discussion - articles where Carlson directly acknowledges (rather than tries to refute the veracity of) comments he made in the articles I linked first time around. So apologies if there's any double-ups, going over previous gone over ground, etc.

But yeah, like I say, it's a mill that is certainly not short on grist.

Just another bigoted tool (both meanings) in the increasingly sullied media landscape you mentioned above.


https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...ry-latin-american-immigrants-2018-3?r=US&IR=T

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/mar/12/tucker-carlson-fox-host-under-fire-racist-comments

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...threat-to-american-democracy-hispanic-voters/

https://www.thedailybeast.com/tucke...y-is-a-hoax-and-not-a-real-problem-in-america

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...son-brands-himself-mr-dirtier/?outputType=amp

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/sto...ist-sexist-and-homophobic-posts-of-course-not

i wonder what would happen if these shock jocks opinion would change if they were getting paid by someone else?

IMO Tucker is no different from Rachael Maddow, Don Lemon, Jake Tapper, Cuomo or my old favourite Matt ‘I have a door locking button under my desk’ Lauer.
All of their opinions are for sale, they’re getting paid to look good in a suit. Not fight some imaginary enemy.

They’re getting paid for ratings, the old saying of tv ‘you say anything you want, as long as it’s not boring’ adage is at play.

hell pay me 20 mil a year and I’ll tell you the sky is purple too.

 

[Caracas]

It’s something a dictator would say

Not exactly the same thing, I know. However, the very fact that the FBI are looking into this so close to election day harks back to four years ago when they launched the re-investigation into Clinton’s email server. What comes around goes around, I suppose.


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[Caracas]

i wonder what would happen if these shock jocks opinion would change if they were getting paid by someone else?

IMO Tucker is no different from Rachael Maddow, Don Lemon, Jake Tapper, Cuomo or my old favourite Matt ‘I have a door locking button under my desk’ Lauer.
All of their opinions are for sale, they’re getting paid to look good in a suit. Not fight some imaginary enemy.

They’re getting paid for ratings, amd the old saying of tv ‘you say anything you want, as long as it’s not boring’ adage is at play.

hell pay me 20 mil a year and I’ll tell you the sky is purple too.

Which brings us back to Damo, etc...


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[Caracas]

Which brings us back to Damo, etc...


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... minus about $14,500,000 - it has to be said.


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[DesertRoo]

... minus about $14,500,000 - it has to be said.


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Working for afl dot com?

he probably got a bonus grand for getting the logo tattooed on his left butt cheek, while Gil and co laughed in the background.

 

[Val Keating]

Not exactly the same thing, I know. However, the very fact that the FBI are looking into this so close to election day harks back to four years ago when they launched the re-investigation into Clinton’s email server. What comes around goes around, I suppose.


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I think it is something Putin say if he didn’t have them knocked before the election

 

[LuvtheKangas]

i wonder what would happen if these shock jocks opinion would change if they were getting paid by someone else?

IMO Tucker is no different from Rachael Maddow, Don Lemon, Jake Tapper, Cuomo or my old favourite Matt ‘I have a door locking button under my desk’ Lauer.
All of their opinions are for sale, they’re getting paid to look good in a suit. Not fight some imaginary enemy.

They’re getting paid for ratings, amd the old saying of tv ‘you say anything you want, as long as it’s not boring’ adage is at play.

hell pay me 20 mil a year and I’ll tell you the sky is purple too.

There's probably one key difference between Tucker and all of those you quote. He's the only one whose employer (Fox) was able to defend a defamation action against them, by successfully running the argument that he doesn't deal in facts. They literally defended themselves on the basis that Tucker is a joke that no-one takes seriously. The article below states: Fox News lawyers claim, Carlson is not “stating actual facts” but simply engaging in “non-literal commentary.” and the court agreed.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...e-of-news-defamation-suit-mcdougal-trump.html

So, you'd have to conclude that the one that Tucker most closely resembles is Alex Jones, who previously ran a similar defence.

Yeah, it's great money if you can get it.

 

[Val Keating]

There's probably one key difference between Tucker and all of those you quote. He's the only one whose employer (Fox) was able to defend a defamation action against them, by successfully running the argument that he doesn't deal in facts. They literally defended themselves on the basis that Tucker is a joke that no-one takes seriously. The article below states: Fox News lawyers claim, Carlson is not “stating actual facts” but simply engaging in “non-literal commentary.” and the court agreed.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...e-of-news-defamation-suit-mcdougal-trump.html

So, you'd have to conclude that the one that Tucker most closely resembles is Alex Jones, who previously ran a similar defence.

Yeah, it's great money if you can get it.

Isn’t that what all the media organisations are doing now?

 

[DesertRoo]

Isn’t that what all the media organisations are doing now?

They’re all a joke.. praising one corporate entity over another is like arguing Pepsi is better then coke.

there’s a whole lot of decent media out there, they just aren’t sponsored like the above.

 

[DesertRoo]

There's probably one key difference between Tucker and all of those you quote. He's the only one whose employer (Fox) was able to defend a defamation action against them, by successfully running the argument that he doesn't deal in facts. They literally defended themselves on the basis that Tucker is a joke that no-one takes seriously. The article below states: Fox News lawyers claim, Carlson is not “stating actual facts” but simply engaging in “non-literal commentary.” and the court agreed.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...e-of-news-defamation-suit-mcdougal-trump.html

So, you'd have to conclude that the one that Tucker most closely resembles is Alex Jones, who previously ran a similar defence.

Yeah, it's great money if you can get it.

I posted a link above video, it goes for a while but certainly worth the watch..
they’re all a joke, the media, politicians, this is theatre nothing more..
Biden/Trump it won’t matter.

WATCH: CN Live! New Episode---'A Terrible Choice' With Jill Stein, Chris Hedges, Mike Gravel and Rick Wolff

Our all-star panel discussed troubling aspects of the upcoming U.S. presidential election. In the midst of a pandemic, the 2020 U.S. presidential election is perhaps like no other. But as in 2016, U.S. voters must decide on two establishment candidates little concerned about the real issues facing

consortiumnews.com

 

[LuvtheKangas]

I posted a link above video, it goes for a while but certainly worth the watch..
they’re all a joke, the media, politicians, this is theatre nothing more..
Biden/Trump it won’t matter.

WATCH: CN Live! New Episode---'A Terrible Choice' With Jill Stein, Chris Hedges, Mike Gravel and Rick Wolff

Our all-star panel discussed troubling aspects of the upcoming U.S. presidential election. In the midst of a pandemic, the 2020 U.S. presidential election is perhaps like no other. But as in 2016, U.S. voters must decide on two establishment candidates little concerned about the real issues facing

consortiumnews.com

Cheers, I actually clicked on it the first time, saw it went for nearly two hours and was like:

 

[DesertRoo]

Cheers, I actually clicked on it the first time, saw it went for nearly two hours and was like:

Imagine threatening to pull funding, and back trump, if the democrats didn’t rid Bernie of the nom..

All of the orange man hate is a lie, it’s rules for thee and not for me.. the donor kebab class doesn’t care anymore, they’ve already won with the two candidates.