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[Val Keating]

Any opinions on what’s going on with China and Australia?

 

[Hojuman]

Any opinions on what’s going on with China and Australia?

CPofC will be banging on the door with their begging bowl in the future.
Their management of their own resources, be it water, land, minerals and people will see them tip over the edge.

Dictators make many enemies and Xi and his cronies are racking them up internally and even as far as places like Peru by sending 250 - 300 fishing vessels to " fish "

Hope l live to see them fail. They need a Gorbachev. Hopefully one in the ranks.

 

[WD Roo]

CPofC will be banging on the door with their begging bowl in the future.
Their managenent of their own resources, be it water, land, minerals and people will see them tip over the edge.

Dictators make many enemies and Xi and his cronies are racking them up internally and even as far as places like Peru by sending 250 - 300 fishing vessels to " fish "

Hope l live to see them fail. They need a Gorbachev. Hopefully one in the ranks.

I can see them flexing their military muscle regional to try and satisfy the needs they require. I know people are calling for us to stop exporting iron ore to them, but I have heard that China has been dumping iron ore in the ocean near major ports for reclaiming later if the shit hit the fan with Australia.

 

[koshari]

I can see them flexing their military muscle regional to try and satisfy the needs they require. I know people are calling for us to stop exporting iron ore to them, but I have heard that China has been dumping iron ore in the ocean near major ports for reclaiming later if the sh*t hit the fan with Australia.

I haven't heard of that however they do seem to be putting a lot of resources into African iron ore projects.

When i was in china a couple of years back it was a bit of an eye opener, fwiw we spent most of the time in chongqing. its like the whole city has been cut and pasted like a huge life sized game of sim city. the apartment blocks are like the flemington highrise flats on steroids, facial and numberplate cameras everywhere constantly stobing off, there is one area on the riverside where they have kinda preserved about a 200m strip (picture a monkey magig style village look) of what i imagine traditional chinese life would have been like but the rest of the original stuff is long gone. and its nestled smack bang in the middle of modern buildings with laser and LED ligting effects that blaze away every night. Kinda crazy really.

 

[ChoppyGun]

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[ChoppyGun]

 

[Themanbun]

Any opinions on what’s going on with China and Australia?

I think it's idiotic to keep stirring them up. We've been goading them for the past year or so, and they've been biting back as well. Never fully trust them but the same can be said for every great power. I think it's clear that for a while there we were backing Trump on his hostility towards China and for some reason have decided to continue even though he's on the way out. We whacked duties on their steel right as the USA-PRC trade war was heating up and then acted offended when they hit us with barley tariffs. The federal gov and press absolutely slaughtered states over really broad commitments to co-operate with our largest regional partner. It's just been escalating ever since then and I don't trust the current Australian leadership to de-escalate.

As I said, I don't fully trust them or any great power and no doubt at some point they will do things not in our interest, but we've really been unnecessarily provoking and escalating some of those points of difference IMO.

I've seen more outrage in Australia about the image they posted than the revelations of what our troops did. And that's abysmal.

Just my $0.02

 

[Val Keating]

I think it's idiotic to keep stirring them up. We've been goading them for the past year or so, and they've been biting back as well. Never fully trust them but the same can be said for every great power. I think it's clear that for a while there we were backing Trump on his hostility towards China and for some reason have decided to continue even though he's on the way out. Just my $0.02. We whacked duties on their steel right as the USA-PRC trade war was heating up and then acted offended when they hit us with barley tariffs. It's just been escalating ever since then and I don't trust the current Australian leadership to de-escalate.

I've seen more outrage in Australia about the image they posted than the revelations of what our troops did. And that's abysmal.

I don’t like that they’re trying to strong arm us into being subservient, so I think **** em. Yeah it’ll hurt our export industry, but we can’t be a client state of the CCP either. They need to be held accountable for what they’ve done to the world.

 

[Val Keating]

They don’t have the resources to feed their people. They need imports. They need us. We won’t starve

 

[Themanbun]

I don’t like that they’re trying to strong arm us into being subservient, so I think fu** em. Yeah it’ll hurt our export industry, but we can’t be a client state of the CCP either. They need to be held accountable for what they’ve done to the world.

We're pretty much a client state of the USA though. A country which led the way in COVID denialism, which strong arms us into supporting their endeavours, has launched more military campaigns across the world than any other country, etc.

Not saying a pivot towards China is any better but it's all gotten very tit-for-tat and I feel that people have forgotten we threw the first 'tit'.

It's all well and good to say '**** em', but I don't think we should have a sook when they stop treating us preferably as a trade partner after doing so. I'm also not sure the average person who supports hostility towards China is aware of just how badly that will **** our economy. The hilarious thing is that their barley tariff was made possible by the USA securing a barley deal with them immediately before.

I'm all for economic independence, but you can do it amicably, and at the very least you should prepare for it first, not just fire from the hip because a (now outgoing) president from another country decided to do the same.

I'd personally just like to see de-escalation.

 

[Val Keating]

We're pretty much a client state of the USA though. A country which led the way in COVID denialism, which strong arms us into supporting their endeavours, has launched more military campaigns across the world than any other country, etc.

Not saying a pivot towards China is any better but it's all gotten very tit-for-tat and I feel that people have forgotten we threw the first 'tit'.

It's all well and good to say '**** em', but I don't think we should have a sook when they stop treating us preferably as a trade partner after doing so. I'm also not sure the average person who supports hostility towards China is aware of just how badly that will **** our economy.

I'm all for economic independence, but you can do it amicably, and at the very least you should prepare for it first, not just fire from the hip because a (now outgoing) president from another country decided to do the same.

I'd personally just like to see de-escalation.

By first tit are you referring to Australia calling for an investigation into China’s handling of the Coronavirus?

 

[Themanbun]

By first tit are you referring to Australia calling for an investigation into China’s handling of the Coronavirus?

Steel tariffs.

Plus, re COVID, we were just mouthing off. They didn't handle it perfectly but they still gave the world weeks and months of notice and most countries proceeded to do SFA to protect their residents. The whole argument lost weight when the USA and most of Europe threw their hands up and let hundreds of thousands die to save a bit of money. If they got another month's warning from China it would have made zero difference IMO. COVID just became another pawn in Trump's trade war and we gladly took up the cause for him. Our government saying what it said would have made no difference to whether an investigation took place or not. I don't think you can use your biggest export partner and regional power as a political punching bag and expect there not to be trade repercussions - that goes for any big power, America, Russia, the EU.

As I said, preparing for a more diversified export and import market would have been the smart play. But I don't get behind cheap political point scoring in international relations anyway - they do it to us, we do it to them - and now the relationship is crap.

 

[Val Keating]

Steel tariffs.

Plus, re COVID, we were just mouthing off. They didn't handle it perfectly but they still have the world weeks and months of notice and most countries proceeded to do SFA to protect their residents. The whole argument lost weight when the USA and most of Europe through their hands up and let hundreds of thousands die to save a bit of money. If they got another month's warning from China it would have made zero difference IMO. COVID just became another pawn in Trump's trade war and we gladly took up the cause for him.

The whole thing is just a mouthing off session.

Remind me, was the steel tariff before or after the stopped taking our recycling?

 

[Themanbun]

The whole thing is just a mouthing off session.

Remind me, was the steel tariff before or after the stopped taking our recycling?

I've lost track now, but things have been getting tense in coincidence with America's trade war. I just don't see the point.

If I recall correctly the recyclables thing amounted to a de facto ban and taking other people's rubbish. That's fine, they're not the only country to crack down on developed countries sending them recyclables.

 

[Val Keating]

I've lost track now, but things have been getting tense in coincidence with America's trade war. I just don't see the point.

Spose the point is we can’t bend over for money

 

[Themanbun]

Spose the point is we can’t bend over for money

We already do. We send our young men to go die on behalf of another country. Opposing needless tit for tat hostility and cheap political point scoring isn't 'bending over'. As I said, I think a diverse, relatively independent economy is a good thing. I just am not surprised when cheap shots at our biggest trading partner end up in retaliation. And then we take another shot. And then they do. And then it spirals. Not ideal.

 

[Val Keating]

We already do. We send our young men to go die on behalf of another country. Opposing needless tit for tat hostility and cheap political point scoring isn't 'bending over'. As I said, I think a diverse, relatively independent economy is a good thing. I just am not surprised when cheap shots at our biggest trading partner end up in retaliation. And then we take another shot. And then they do. And then it spirals. Not ideal.

Without America as allies we’d be ****ed. Proper ****ed. And at least we know we can trust the yanks. The CCP can’t be trusted at all.

 

[Themanbun]

Without America as allies we’d be f’ed. Proper f’ed. And at least we know we can trust the yanks. The CCP can’t be trusted at all.

Hard disagree on trusting America but I'll leave it there.

 

[Val Keating]

Hard disagree on trusting America but I'll leave it there.

They’ve had our back before. If it wasn’t for them who knows what would’ve happened in WW2

 

[DesertRoo]

Without America as allies we’d be f’ed. Proper f’ed. And at least we know we can trust the yanks. The CCP can’t be trusted at all.

Of all the things that fooked up the relationship Australia signed a defence pac with India and Japan.

Especially when Modi and BJP are up there with the nutcases of the world..

from a China perspective not a good look when three semi powerful nations sign an agreement targeting you.

India and Australia sign military pact as China tensions rise

Deal grants access to bases and strengthens partnership with Japan and US

asia.nikkei.com

 

[Forever North]

China is basically a necessary evil (monster) now-days. Slowly, they have economically seduced the world over the past 25 years with ‘too good to be true’ deals. We’re way too reliant on them now, they know it and take advantage of it. Whilst we’re counting the cash the Chinese are owning our arses and laughing at us. They are winning the economic ‘world war’. It is a despicable regime, a free market economy that benefits the elite and a totalitarian communist system to keep the peasants in line. In Australia their grubby tentacles have spread far and wide. CCP sympathisers have slowly entrenched themselves in political and media circles. Greedy Chinese reliant businesses and educational institutions fear repercussions if they don’t tow the company line. I’m not really a fan of the CCP and the filthy and corrupt way they conduct themselves.

 

[Val Keating]

Of all the things that fooked up the relationship Australia signed a defence pac with India and Japan.

Especially when Modi and BJP are up there with the nutcases of the world..

from a China perspective not a good look when three semi powerful nations sign an agreement targeting you.

India and Australia sign military pact as China tensions rise

Deal grants access to bases and strengthens partnership with Japan and US

asia.nikkei.com

That’s our business. China aren’t our allies.

 

[DesertRoo]

That’s our business. China aren’t our allies.

The ole shut up and buy our iron ore argument..

strategically you can see why Indian joining up might’ve pissed off China.

it’s also why they’re going so hard for the south China seas, as they’ll run out of oil, and war machines rely on oil.

 

[Val Keating]

The ole shut up and buy our iron ore argument..

strategically you can see why Indian joining up might’ve pissed off China.

Bit of bad luck for them isn’t it. Good for everyone else though. They’ve openly stated (finally after lying for years that they were just a developing country who struggles to feed its people) they want to be the number one power in the world.

 

[DesertRoo]

Val Keating if you get the chance you should watch Pilgers latest doco, a few years old now but good.

The Coming War on China

The Coming War on China

johnpilger.com