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[Del191229]

This may come as a shock, but sex is actually fun for some people.

There doesn't always have to be a predator and a victim.

So you're ok with grown men having sex with 14 year old girls?

You're usually pretty vocal and rightly so about this kind of thing.

 

[ferball]

looks like another dinosaur about to bite the dust.
Kevin Andrews toppled in preselection battle for Menzies


Veteran conservative Kevin Andrews was challenged by a former special forces captain for a sought-after Liberal Party seat in Melbourne’s eastern suburbs on Sunday.

How many players have we had named after electorates?

That is the first successful pre selection challenge for the Libs since 1990 when Higgins and Goldstein were both born (or close enough) seats both saw successful pre selection challenges.

 

[Del191229]

How many players have we had named after electorates?

That is the first successful pre selection challenge for the Libs since 1990 when Higgins and Goldstein were both born (or close enough) seats both saw successful pre selection challenges.

Petrie as well.

 

[Usayed Givashe]

Where do they borrow the money from? It’s strange when you think about it. The money never really exists. It really is fugazi. if it’s for loans (there’s no real money to be seen) to buy shorts (which there’s nothing physically there). The whole thing is a scam.

So anything you don’t understand is a scam? Kinda bizarre way of looking at things.

No it’s not a scam, it’s a made market.

How many people could afford a house if the bank wasn’t there to pay for it? Is the property market a scam? But hang on, how many people own more than 30% of their house? **** all.

You have to understand the difference in the products you are discussing. They are simply not all the same.

Shares and Futures Market have an underlying instrument therefore IMO stock market and futures market is not a scam, if you **** up your timing you could actually have the contract physically delivered to your door in the past.

Stock Market and Futures Market is fundamentally completely legit (exchange traded), it’s the OTC (Over The Counter /made markets) which are shifty. Those markets with questionable liquidity are where you get burnt/make a case the market is not legit or forgezi because you are right - it’s effectively one Firms thoughts on a given instrument, not an actual market.

In any case, Reddit users according my ‘best trader mate’ have now moved on to XAG now, they are a bit late to the party but there is no reason they couldn’t push XAG/USD to $200 USD per/oz.

 

[DesertRoo]

So anything you don’t understand is a scam? Kinda bizarre way of looking at things.

No it’s not a scam, it’s a made market.

How many people could afford a house if the bank wasn’t there to pay for it? Is the property market a scam? But hang on, how many people own more than 30% of their house? fu** all.

You have to understand the difference in the products you are discussing. They are simply not all the same.

Shares and Futures Market have an underlying instrument therefore IMO stock market and futures market is not a scam, if you fu** up your timing you could actually have the contract physically delivered to your door in the past.

Stock Market and Futures Market is fundamentally completely legit (exchange traded), it’s the OTC (Over The Counter /made markets) which are shifty. Those markets with questionable liquidity are where you get burnt/make a case the market is not legit or forgezi because you are right - it’s effectively one Firms thoughts on a given instrument, not an actual market.

In any case, Reddit users according my ‘best trader mate’ have now moved on to XAG now, they are a bit late to the party but there is no reason they couldn’t push XAG/USD to $200 USD per/oz.

Hey quick question, why is everyone so afraid of failure to deliver?
isnt meant to be like 10% per annum to the value of the share?

Or is there bigger punishments for the broker?

 

[Usayed Givashe]

Hey quick question, why is everyone so afraid of failure to deliver?
isnt meant to be like 10% per annum to the value of the share?

Or is there bigger punishments for the broker?

You would lose your licence to Trade and accept orders(be a market participant) if you didn’t have the funds on hand to settle.

Ie: Randolph and Mortimer in Trading Places for want of a better example.

 

[ferball]

Sure.

I do find it interesting that people are fine with compartmentalising some things about an artist - in this instance, the separation between art and artist - but it appears that compartmentalising that artist's views on different topics isn't quite so okay.

Dunno, seemed a bit of a weird interjection for mine, just purely from a relevance point of view. And as is so often the case, people reach for extreme examples when trying to get their argument over on the internet. I'm sorry, DR, but trying to conflate the allegations against Bowie with the systemic crimes that Epstein committed lacks nuance. I follow the line of logic re rich and famous people doing whatever the **** they want and (for the most part) getting away with it, but the application of that logic (here) is so stretched as to be hamfisted. And I have to say, using Sopwiths' post and subsequent comments on the topic as justification for attempting to paint her as an apologist for Epstein, isn't one of your finest moments, IMO. You're way better than that.

Going forward, I do wonder if this benchmark will be maintained or applied with a consistent hand. It's interesting to note that one of the underage girls that Bowie is accused of having a sexual relationship with, also claims to have had similar engagements with Mick Jagger, Jimmy Page, and others.

Will mentions of the two aforementioned music legends invoke the same response that Bowie's did on this occasion? What about others? Iggy Pop's notorious dalliances with underage groupies? Elvis and Chuck Berry's well-documented relationships with minors? Steve Tyler and his 14-year old squeeze? Or what about John Lennon, Wilson Pickett, and Miles Davis and their women-beating pasts? Sid Vicious? Tupac? When Dre comments on, say, Snoop's flow, should we then bring up his (self-confessed) past of abusing women as a matter of course?

Let me make this clear, this is by no means me endorsing, downplaying, or excusing these people's actions in any way, shape, or form. Not copping that lame strawman. Like I say, I'm just trying to establish a baseline on these things. To work out why in this instance Bowie (specifically) has been selected as the magnet for this discussion, and in what other instances this baseline should be applied.

As a person who is far more interested in nuance rather than constrictive dogma, for me the reaction to Bowie's name being mentioned raises a bunch of questions, particularly around the subject of precedent....

- Will quotes and references to the words of others - famous or otherwise - attract a similar qualification if that person has a copybook blotted by anything from minor past indiscretions, to more serious closet skeletons, to downright heinous crimes?
- Who is the arbiter on what indiscretions/skeletons/crimes require automatic mention when a person's name is brought up?
- And who matches that up with the amount of 'relevance to topic being discussed', and then makes a decision on same?
- To what degree does a person's indiscretions/skeletons/crimes impact their ability to speak intelligently or thoughtfully on other topics?
- Will posting of a clip by The Black Keys, Carter the Unstoppable Sex Machine, The KLF, or The Undertones necessitate a mention of how they've sampled or covered Gary Glitter songs?
- Will referencing Leadbelly necessitate a mention of his stretches in jail for murder and aggravated assault?
- Will posting a clip of De Niro in 'Raging Bull' have to be accompanied by a clip of him in 'Little Fockers'?
- Or applying the blotted copybook theorem to non-artistic areas, will a tweet by Greenwald necessitate a mention of how he worked for Pierre Omidyar or that he's matey with Tucker Carlson?
- And will all these questions be answered in a 'Random Thoughts Thread Guide To Ethics'?

I dunno, it just all seems a tad arbitrary to me.


Tl;dr? Don't blame you. It was kinda long.

Jimmy Page's bouncer basically came and kidnapped her (Lori Maddox?) from her home after Bowie was finished with her.

I think it was Richard Neville wrote an article in one of the issues of Oz magazine about meeting some girl in London at some event, them both dropping acid then going off for a root. Turns out she was 14. The way he wrote the article was celebrating the sexual revolution as if they were both consenting adults making their own decisions. Even tho she was 14. So although i can understand his pov, its not necessarily Epstein level sleaze and I was trying (unsuccessfuylly) to do the same thing when I was 14 (but not 20), yet it was still a bit weird reading the article.

I still listen to Bowie and Led Zep but I don't pretend those things didn't happen. WE've all done things in our past we aren't necessarily proud of.

But Led Zep and Bowie both moved in the same UK entertainment circles the likes of Jimmy Saville and our Rolf were known in. The reaction to them is very different.

 

[ferball]

Is the property market a scam?

Yep.

 

[Val Keating]

So anything you don’t understand is a scam? Kinda bizarre way of looking at things.

No it’s not a scam, it’s a made market.

How many people could afford a house if the bank wasn’t there to pay for it? Is the property market a scam? But hang on, how many people own more than 30% of their house? fu** all.

You have to understand the difference in the products you are discussing. They are simply not all the same.

Shares and Futures Market have an underlying instrument therefore IMO stock market and futures market is not a scam, if you fu** up your timing you could actually have the contract physically delivered to your door in the past.

Stock Market and Futures Market is fundamentally completely legit (exchange traded), it’s the OTC (Over The Counter /made markets) which are shifty. Those markets with questionable liquidity are where you get burnt/make a case the market is not legit or forgezi because you are right - it’s effectively one Firms thoughts on a given instrument, not an actual market.

In any case, Reddit users according my ‘best trader mate’ have now moved on to XAG now, they are a bit late to the party but there is no reason they couldn’t push XAG/USD to $200 USD per/oz.

That’s why the first thing I wrote was they’re worried about the banks. They’re lending money to people that can’t close out the loan again. This isn’t going away now. People on social media are going to keep coming for the brokers that are shorting stocks. Probably more people will be doing it in the future. If, or when, the redditors sink Melvin they’ll just move onto another one...because outside of a few big money players they are made up of thousands of people with just a handful of stock.

Edit- Just had a look, they’re still buying GME

 

[DesertRoo]

That’s why the first thing I wrote was they’re worried about the banks. They’re lending money to people that can’t close out the loan again. This isn’t going away now. People on social media are going to keep coming for the brokers that are shorting stocks. Probably more people will be doing it in the future. If, or when, the redditors sink Melvin they’ll just move onto another one...because outside of a few big money players they are made up of thousands of people with just a handful of stock.

Here’s the kicker, short sellers are important to the market, good ones are often forensic accountants/detectives who chase down fraud or misleading business practices.

By targeting the short sellers the reddit crowd are chasing these people out of business..

 

[Val Keating]

Here’s the kicker, short sellers are important to the market, good ones are often forensic accountants/detectives who chase down fraud or misleading business practices.

By targeting the short sellers the reddit crowd are chasing these people out of business..

Laws will need to be changed (or enforced) to stop the brokers doing this. From what I understand they were actively trying to sink GameStop by forcing their price down.

 

[Val Keating]

Melvin lost over 50% in a month

 

[DesertRoo]

Laws will need to be changed (or enforced) to stop the brokers doing this. From what I understand they were actively trying to sink GameStop by forcing their price down.

Yep, and GameStop should be a dying business model, but the broker should held the underlying stock, the fact they didn’t and gambled, using naked short selling methods, should be a massive red flag..

 

[Del191229]

Gordon Brown banned short selling after the UK banks collapsed

 

[DesertRoo]

Gordon Brown banned short selling after the UK banks collapsed

Did he ban short selling altogether or just naked shorts?
seems a bit over reactionary to ban short selling altogether.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Media career certainly over.

Nah, he'll do the walk of shame and "rise from the shadows."

The media loves that stuff.

 

[AnEmptyChair]

What I did was post an interview with David Bowie where he talks about Black music content on MTV in 1983.

You jumped on it with some vague accusatory comment about sexual exploitation. When I asked for clarification, you called him a "sex offender" and provided an article about a woman who had consensual sex with him as an under age girl fifty years ago, and who states she is completely okay and without regret about it as an adult. The fact that you can't even allow that a woman can have peace and autonomy over the decisions she's made in her own life is in itself misogynistic.

My reply to you is, okay, let's talk about the real problem then. Let's talk about the 650 million under age girls globally who are married off without their consent, and it's perfectly legal. These men get away with it. Just like the rock stars. Only on a massive, MASSIVE scale, that no one is paying attention to. THAT is the real problem in our world. And yet suddenly, you don't want to talk about it.

Shame on you. Your approach to this subject is no better than tabloid journalism.

Just stay away from me from now on. Thanks.

Sopwiths, I've always loved your posting and I have so much respect for you, but I have to disagree with you on this one. There's no such thing as consensual sex with a minor. They are unable to give consent. And just because she may be okay with it now and without regret, the implications are that if the minor is okay with it, then it's fine. It's not. And it's not at all healthy to say that if they're okay with it, then it's fine. THat's a justification that's regularly used by abusers.

It may have been a part of the times 50 years ago, sure, but I think the movement in prosecuting and exposing historical sexual abuse in recent years has proven that historical standards were insufficient and themselves born out of a deep-rooted misogyny. There's also power imbalance considerations and a whole host of others.

And that's got nothing to do with Bowie or anyone else. The height of his popularity was before my time and my only familiarity with him is as the child-stealing big bad in The Labyrinth, which now I think about it is an, err, interesting coincidence.

 

[Hojuman]

Nah, he'll do the walk of shame and "rise from the shadows."

The media loves that stuff.

Easier from radio & print than being a " face " on t.v. He hosts some game-show yeh ?

 

[Themanbun]

Yep.

This was going to be exactly my response, too.

 

[Devington]

Yep, and GameStop should be a dying business model, but the broker should held the underlying stock, the fact they didn’t and gambled, using naked short selling methods, should be a massive red flag..

They doubled down on the short selling even after Gamestop recruited Nintendo of America's ex president to the board, as well Chewy's (a very successful online petfood retailer) ex-founder and CEO buying the controlling share and joining the board with 2 other executives from his old company.

Gamestop sure as shit wasn't going to be becoming a $100 stock in the near future, but the company had turned over it's board and recruited a lot of people with expertise in areas that mattered.

 

[Del191229]

Sopwiths, I've always loved your posting and I have so much respect for you, but I have to disagree with you on this one. There's no such thing as consensual sex with a minor.

Yep, that's why we have very detailed age of consent laws.

If Bowie was 16, then yep. But not as a grown man.

 

[The Dingrel]

Paddy McCartin should not play another game of football ever again.

I hope he donates his brain to science when he passes away after a long and prosperous life.

8 concussions since 2014, McCartin will never be 100% fit.

Yep agree, only had 1 concussion in my life but took almost 2 months to recover from and a lot of people were saying I was not myself. I felt like I was there in body only, and the world would go on around me and I felt like a zombie and was starting to worry that I'd never get back to normal. I didn't even think the head knock was that bad at the time. So I'm glad its something the AFL is taking very seriously these days, and long term health should always be put before a playing career.

 

[Themanbun]

They doubled down on the short selling even after Gamestop recruited Nintendo of America's ex president to the board, as well Chewy's (a very successful online petfood retailer) ex-founder and CEO buying the controlling share and joining the board with 2 other executives from his old company.

Gamestop sure as sh*t wasn't going to be becoming a $100 stock in the near future, but the company had turned over it's board and recruited a lot of people with expertise in areas that mattered.

Reports mid last year were circling that they were close to filing for bankruptcy. If that happens then the GME holders will be providing creditors (banks) with more than they expected. Going to be an interesting space to watch.

 

[DesertRoo]

They doubled down on the short selling even after Gamestop recruited Nintendo of America's ex president to the board, as well Chewy's (a very successful online petfood retailer) ex-founder and CEO buying the controlling share and joining the board with 2 other executives from his old company.

Gamestop sure as sh*t wasn't going to be becoming a $100 stock in the near future, but the company had turned over it's board and recruited a lot of people with expertise in areas that mattered.

They’ve also got something like 100m members, so it has to count for something.
capital just raised, could they try for a quick take over of EB games or the like. ESports is taken off massively, maybe they could position in that space somehow? Who knows the exposure might’ve just saved a well known and loved brand in the states.

Reports mid last year were circling that they were close to filing for bankruptcy. If that happens then the GME holders will be providing creditors (banks) with more than they expected. Going to be an interesting space to watch.

Yep it’s such a risky play that these guys are playing. Retailing having such high overheads and low returns, gotta feel like who ever owns the stock after this episode is going to suffer.
but as my response above, couple of genius, with quick fast moves could be the makings of them.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Easier from radio & print than being a " face " on t.v. He hosts some game-show yeh ?

They make advertising dollars nailing people to the cross on the way down, and then via the resurrection on the way up.

The real problem is that the media sets too many people's moral compasses. Look no further than the Murdochites & ABC zombies.