Play Nice Random Chat Thread V

[DesertRoo]

You're giving the guy too much credit. These guys are well known to be very open with their beliefs online- its what gets them attention, and builds their numbers.

A Brief Guide To The Australian Far Right (July 2020 Edition)

[Update : Huh. I did not know this, but a commentator drew my attention to the fact that ‘In June 2014, [disgraced Labor MP Adem] Somyurek inaugurated the Grey Wolves’ offices in Melbou…

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I’m not giving him any credit at all.. I’m saying he reminds me of a dirty dirty snitch.. It’ll be why he has so many slaps on the wrist with the courts, why he thinks he is invincible.
i bet you he is ratting on everyone in the org, to get that pass from the po po..

and if he wasn’t before, they’ll be dangling terrorism charges over his head now and he’ll sing like a bird.

 

[DesertRoo]

Turnbull.. goes all conspiracy claiming victim might’ve been Clintoned?

“All I know is that she is dead. It certainly has been reported in the media as a suicide. I have a question mark in my own mind about the timing of it because it seems counter intuitive,’’ he said.

“There is an allegation of a rape, a horrific rape,’’ Mr Turnbull said.

“The complainant woman alleged that the man, who is now a cabinet minister, brutally r*ped her in 1988. She went to the NSW Police with a lawyer.

“And then, in 2020, just as she was about to sign the final witness statement … she takes her own life. She does so in the week that Dyson Heydon’s conduct is exposed in a report done by the High Court.

“Now it’s said that she suicided. Did she?”

‘Not good enough’: Turnbull slams PM

Former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has raised concerns over the death of the woman who accused a serving Liberal of a historical rape, revealing he has “questions in my own mind” over how she died.

www.news.com.au

 

[Tectonic]

I’m not giving him any credit at all.. I’m saying he reminds me of a dirty dirty snitch.. It’ll be why he has so many slaps on the wrist with the courts, why he thinks he is invincible.
i bet you he is ratting on everyone in the org, to get that pass from the po po..

and if he wasn’t before, they’ll be dangling terrorism charges over his head now and he’ll sing like a bird.

I can see what you mean.
Let the loud guy bring the rabble out into the open and prune what you can type of thing.
Have a read of this

Neo-Nazis go bush: Grampians gathering highlights rise of Australia’s far right

The first thing hiker Nathaniel Maxwell noticed as he trudged towards an ancient rock cavern in the Grampians National Park last Saturday was the sound of dozens of voices singing Waltzing Matilda.

www.smh.com.au

Although maybe they're not neo nazis though who knows

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Turnbull.. goes all conspiracy claiming victim might’ve been Clintoned?

“All I know is that she is dead. It certainly has been reported in the media as a suicide. I have a question mark in my own mind about the timing of it because it seems counter intuitive,’’ he said.

“There is an allegation of a rape, a horrific rape,’’ Mr Turnbull said.

“The complainant woman alleged that the man, who is now a cabinet minister, brutally r*ped her in 1988. She went to the NSW Police with a lawyer.

“And then, in 2020, just as she was about to sign the final witness statement … she takes her own life. She does so in the week that Dyson Heydon’s conduct is exposed in a report done by the High Court.

“Now it’s said that she suicided. Did she?”

‘Not good enough’: Turnbull slams PM

Former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has raised concerns over the death of the woman who accused a serving Liberal of a historical rape, revealing he has “questions in my own mind” over how she died.

www.news.com.au

He might go full Latham the way he’s heading.

 

[DesertRoo]

I can see what you mean.
Let the loud guy bring the rabble out into the open and prune what you can type of thing.
Have a read of this

Neo-Nazis go bush: Grampians gathering highlights rise of Australia’s far right

The first thing hiker Nathaniel Maxwell noticed as he trudged towards an ancient rock cavern in the Grampians National Park last Saturday was the sound of dozens of voices singing Waltzing Matilda.

www.smh.com.au

Although maybe they're not neo nazis though who knows

There’s certainly one person who’s happy to be named in the newspapers and placed at the centre of it.

And we’ve got a right wing extremist problem in OZ, and the ones we have to worry about are the quiet lone wolves, coppers need to be able to identify who they are.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

There’s certainly one person who’s happy to be named in the newspapers and placed at the centre of it.

And we’ve got a right wing extremist problem in OZ, and the ones we have to worry about are the quiet lone wolves, coppers need to be able to identify who they are.

Lone wolves are a problem full stop for law enforcement agencies combating terrorism. Very hard to combat, especially if they leave a very limited digital footprint.

 

[Tectonic]

There’s certainly one person who’s happy to be named in the newspapers and placed at the centre of it.

And we’ve got a right wing extremist problem in OZ, and the ones we have to worry about are the quiet lone wolves, coppers need to be able to identify who they are.

That said he's not the only one who loves to get his name out there.
Blair, galea and burgess love the fact that they're known for what they are known for

 

[DesertRoo]

That said he's not the only one who loves to get his name out there.
Blair, galea and burgess love the fact that they're known for what they are known for

How many of them are left thou?
I know Galea got done by his associates..
Burgess had a sook, haven’t heard much from him.

 

[Val Keating]

I don’t think these guys are much to worry about tbh. Skinheads and the like have been around for ages. They’re just losers looking for a bit of clout

 

[Chadwiko]

I don’t think these guys are much to worry about tbh. Skinheads and the like have been around for ages. They’re just losers looking for a bit of clout

Christchurch...

 

[DesertRoo]

I don’t think these guys are much to worry about tbh. Skinheads and the like have been around for ages. They’re just losers looking for a bit of clout

As much as I want to agree, we’ve got a lot of nutcases in Oz with a screw loose..
and what happened with the azov battalion is reverberating around the world when Obama admin stoked the fires to protect Ukraine from Russians.

they had similar training camps to isis set up all over Europe. That’s what the gov is scared about, blowback from these guys who were radicalised in them coming home.
And as always it’s the disenfranchised that we have to worry about. Not the loud mouth standing on a soap box.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

I don’t think these guys are much to worry about tbh. Skinheads and the like have been around for ages. They’re just losers looking for a bit of clout

Important enough to warrant a high-threat status, and active monitoring, from ASIO and others. They are small in number and mostly prison, or gang, orientated, but they are far more willing to use direct (terrorism for example) means to secure their goals. The more numerous far-left overwhelmingly use indirect (non-violent) means to achieve their political aims and, consequently, have been far more successful than the far-right has been since 1945. One is far more likely to obtain meaningful political power than the other.

 

[Val Keating]

Christchurch...

That was a lone wolf operator no?

 

[koshari]

That was a lone wolf operator no?

Possibly, additionally i dont think his name was terribly prominent in the public domain even if he was known to authorities, unlike those other bozos who are actively seeking publicity.

For example a quick google of blair cottrell returns over 10 pages of hits. i doubt old mate who shot up christchurch would have had that many hits prior to his rampage.

 

[Val Keating]

Important enough to warrant a high-threat status, and active monitoring, from ASIO and others. They are small in number and mostly prison, or gang, orientated, but they are far more willing to use direct (terrorism for example) means to secure their goals. The far-left overwhelmingly use indirect (non-violent) means to achieve their political aims and, consequently, have been far more successful than the far-right has been since 1945. One is far more likely to obtain meaningful political power than the other.

Don’t think you can take into account what’s happening in prison into the outside. Prison is tribal

 

[Tas]

The slippery slope of giving the government too much power...

WA Premier wants some border controls to continue beyond the pandemic

West Australian Premier Mark McGowan has flagged keeping some interstate border controls in place after the COVID-19 pandemic is over in a bid to reduce the importation of drugs, but has backed down on one idea.

www.news.com.au

 

[Chadwiko]

That was a lone wolf operator no?

So this is a complex issue, so understand what I'm about to say is largely condensed and simplified;

No, the Christchurch shooter was not a 'lone-wolf'. And the concept of a lone-wolf is often used incorrectly to dismiss the broader issues of radicalisation.

The Christchurch shooter was radicalised by far-right white supremacy, and acted upon it.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Don’t think you can take into account what’s happening in prison into the outside. Prison is tribal

Wasn’t my point. Most far-right numbers come from prison gangs and are tribalistic as you say. They aren’t the most pressing concern. It is the relatively unknown and true ideologue believers that you need to watch out for.

 

[Val Keating]

So this is a complex issue, so understand what I'm about to say is largely condensed and simplified;

No, the Christchurch shooter was not a 'lone-wolf'. And the concept of a lone-wolf is often used incorrectly to dismiss the broader issues of radicalisation.

The Christchurch shooter was radicalised by far-right white supremacy, and acted upon it.

Radicalised on line wasn’t he? It’s hard to know what he would’ve been if not radicalised online. The bloke was just a nutcase and probably would’ve done some heinous shit under the guise of some other ideology. Trouble waiting for a reason.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Radicalised on line wasn’t he? It’s hard to know what he would’ve been if not radicalised online. The bloke was just a nutcase and probably would’ve done some heinous sh*t under the guise of some other ideology. Trouble waiting for a reason.

As you both have indicated. A very complex and multifaceted issue.

 

[Val Keating]

Wasn’t my point. Most far-right numbers come from prison gangs and are tribalistic as you say. They aren’t the most pressing concern. It is the relatively unknown and true ideologue believers that you need to watch out for.

We live in a time where it’s easy for nutcases to attach themselves to some group in order for them to carry out their ****ed up fantasies.

 

[koshari]

We live in a time where it’s easy for nutcases to attach themselves to some group in order for them to carry out their f’ed up fantasies.

Its to easy to dismiss them as nutcases. They get into like minded groups which become echo chambers for them, then they tend to think their radical thoughts are mainstream. its not limited to the far right as well, the far left anti vaxxers are in the same boat.

we might bicker a bit on here but at least we have people representing most points of view so we can see the full spectrum of said debate.

 

[Chadwiko]

Radicalised on line wasn’t he?

What difference does that make?

But no, in his manifesto he specifically name drops far-right media people as being inspirations, many of whom still to this day feature frequently on Sky News Australia.

 

[Val Keating]

I’m sure if Julian Knight carried out the Hoddle st massacre today he’d claim some bullshit political reason.

 

[koshari]

I’m sure if Julian Knight carried out the Hoddle st massacre today he’d claim some bullshit political reason.

i dunno, even old mate from port arthur didnt even play the political card,