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[Kangaroos4eva]

Military sustainment cost are ridiculous because War is corporate welfare..
realistically soliders/man power are cheap source of labour..
Everything else which is way over priced and expensive..

I would not call soldier manpower a cheap source of labour though. The average US soldier makes $50k a year and gets operational pay. An army private here makes similar. Operational loading pay was something I was looking quite forward to when I joined up.

War is expensive and the amount of expensive tech they have makes it worse.

 

[DesertRoo]

I would not call soldier manpower a cheap source of labour though. The average US soldier makes $50k a year and gets operational pay. An army private here makes similar. Operational loading pay was something I was looking quite forward to when I joined up.

War is expensive and the amount of expensive tech they have makes it worse.

I don’t wish to sound insensitive, as we are dealing with young men living and dying but those labour costs are actually cheap compared to the contracts gained in the spoils of war..
And the public picks up the tab not private enterprise who benefit.

 

[Ligma]

Is anyone else allergic to the adhesive in strapping tape? If anyone has any recommendations to what strapping tape I should use please inbox me ahaha


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[giantroo]

Is anyone else allergic to the adhesive in strapping tape? If anyone has any recommendations to what strapping tape I should use please inbox me ahaha


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Yes, I am. It causes rashes all over my skin. I use the green pack leukoplast brand (white strapping).

 

[Val Keating]

 

[Ligma]

Yes, I am. It causes rashes all over my skin. I use the green pack elastopast brand (white strapping).

Cheers, yeah same I’ve got red itchy bumps on my wrists and thumbs


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[giantroo]

Cheers, yeah same I’ve got red itchy bumps on my wrists and thumbs


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Sorry, it was the Leukoplast brand.



The white tape doesn't cause me any itch/rashes and found it the best when I needed to strap my wrists and thumbs.

 

[Tectonic]

 

[giantroo]

 

[ferball]

Salon - Bias and Credibility

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The fall of Salon.com

How a digital trailblazer and progressive powerhouse lost its way.

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Those articles are meaningless. Especially the second one. Criticising Salon cos it gives more support to Sanders over Clinton in 2016? Give me a break. But its irrelevant anyway.

What I posted was Seymour Hersh (one of the most respected investigative anti war journos on the planet,) describing (in 2004) what he saw in reports, picture and video from the the US' time at Abu Gharib. (This stuff was banned from publication by Obama when it was finally acknowledged because of the damage it would do to the US' reputation in the rest of the world.)

A year after Hersh's report a US Soldier in Iraq (Alyssa Peterson, the girl in Company C) killed herself because she could no longer continue the interrogation sessions she said involved torture. She wasn't the only US soldier to report this stuff. And none of that includes what happened at rendition sites around the world. Craig Murray (who got sentenced to jail today so he is unable to testify at a trial in Spain of people who spied on Assange,) reported on Uzbekistan using torture at rendition sites and supplying the US and UK intelligence services with information acquired by torture including the boiling alive of people and confessions obtained by torturing people's children in front of them.

So not only did the US military and intelligence services rape kids in front of their parents in Iraq they employed other governments around the world to carry out the sort of harsh torture you are accusing Saddam of so they could appear to have clean hands during the GWoT.

There are no good guys in this situation.

 

[giantroo]

This has been going on for years. Nothing new about all the land grab and evictions.

 

[ferball]

You're hugely understating what the US did during the invasion and occupation.

They destroyed entire cities.

They bombed Fallujah with white phosphorus and napalm while there were civilians there. I used to have a copy of a video of the attack and it was ****en horrific.

 

[ferball]

This has been going on for years. Nothing new about all the land grab and evictions.

It terrible.

 

[DesertRoo]

Those articles are meaningless. Especially the second one. Criticising Salon cos it gives more support to Sanders over Clinton in 2016? Give me a break. But its irrelevant anyway.

What I posted was Seymour Hersh (one of the most respected investigative anti war journos on the planet,) describing (in 2004) what he saw in reports, picture and video from the the US' time at Abu Gharib. (This stuff was banned from publication by Obama when it was finally acknowledged because of the damage it would do to the US' reputation in the rest of the world.)

A year after Hersh's report a US Soldier in Iraq (Alyssa Peterson, the girl in Company C) killed herself because she could no longer continue the interrogation sessions she said involved torture. She wasn't the only US soldier to report this stuff. And none of that includes what happened at rendition sites around the world. Craig Murray (who got sentenced to jail today so he is unable to testify at a trial in Spain of people who spied on Assange,) reported on Uzbekistan using torture at rendition sites and supplying the US and UK intelligence services with information acquired by torture including the boiling alive of people and confessions obtained by torturing people's children in front of them.

So not only did the US military and intelligence services rape kids in front of their parents in Iraq they employed other governments around the world to carry out the sort of harsh torture you are accusing Saddam of so they could appear to have clean hands during the GWoT.

There are no good guys in this situation.

My favourite Seymour story is when LBJ defecated in front of him..
Made me look into LBJ a lot more, dude was a sexual deprived sadist.

 

[ferball]

Ummmmm, this is exactly what they had for decades, I recall Saddam fighting a long and brutal war against Iran supported by the West.

Israeli security doctrine called for the fragmenting of secular Arab states like Iraq and Syria into small ethnic/religious principalties that would be perpetually at war with each other and unable to threaten Israel.

That's what happened in Iraq and almost in Syria.

Both countries were instrumental in mantaining left wing, secular, pan-arabic "nationalism" (ie Ba'athism) during the last third of the 20th century.

BTW Israel consistently warned the US of the upcoming 9/11 attacks and appears to have been tracking Atta's cell via a Mossad crew that were caught videotaping the attack on a bridge or something. When Netanyahu said after 9/11 that 9/11 was good for Israel he was referring to these warning and the fact the US would now trust Israel. I've always wondered where all the intelligence the US claimed to have re Saddam's WMDs really came from. Israel was shit scared of a nuclear powered Iraq. They bombed a potential Iraqi reactor site in 1980 or 81.

 

[ferball]

I’m just going off what I’ve heard from Jocko. When the Americans hit Iraq in the first war they were surprised by how quickly and easily they defeated the Iraqis so the second time around the politicians didn’t let them use as much fire power. The politicians also wouldn’t let them use anyone that had anything to do with the Saddam’s army and office, leaving a lot of fighting age males without a purpose, effectively turning them into a rebel force.

Except in Fallujah where they didn't let any fighting age males (ie over 14) leave the city despite warning the population to evacuate the city before firebombing it.

Measuring against the lynchpin was considered barbaric when the Mongols did it.

 

[ferball]

I’m not. It’s probably just my way of posting that makes it seem that way. It’s just strange to me that people hold Americans to a higher standard than the previous people that ran that jail. No one even talks about what happened there under Saddam.

We talked about it for decades tho.

He's been dead for over 10 years. The US is still doing this shit.

 

[Del191229]

Well gee thanks. Shelve the kindergarten crap.

Not at the level you appear to think though.

 

[Del191229]

For the most part. Though Saddam did his fair share of torturing. That’s where a lot of the Isis guys leaned it.

Completely. ISIS came from Saddam's guys and Al Qaeda (previously mortal enemies) getting chummy in Camp Bucca.

 

[ferball]

Who is that?

 

[Del191229]

I would not call soldier manpower a cheap source of labour though. The average US soldier makes $50k a year and gets operational pay. An army private here makes similar. Operational loading pay was something I was looking quite forward to when I joined up.

War is expensive and the amount of expensive tech they have makes it worse.

Grunts from Biloxi getting 50k + loading means shit to the US national debt.

Those grunts being trained to fire Javelins at any building that looks suspicious at 20k a pop is where the money is at, those grunts being encouraged to call in air strikes at any slight hint of danger is where the money is at, not even because of the bombs being dropped, but because that kind of postuire requires huge numbers of jets and drones to be orbiting on CAPs at all times etc

 

[Del191229]

Who is that?

Peter Mandelson.

 

[Del191229]

 

[ferball]

But you can’t ignore death squads, especially when the specific goal to create sectarian violence…
Especially when those death squats were hand picked, trained and given immunity from prosecution..

Especially if you train and fund them.

 

[ferball]

Peter Mandelson.

Yeah ... it didn't look like dr who.