Play Nice Random Chat Thread V

[Snake_Baker]

We need to rethink the problem entirely, people who want drugs are going to find them anyway. Treat the underlying issues, not the cause.

I know a lot of high functioning people who take, meth, heroin, LSD etc. these people are holding down jobs at an executive level. Simply they like drugs, been doing them since University days, they’re not going to change now..

It’s pointless trying say there’s a one solution to this issue. Personally I’d go the other way and take the criminally completely out of it..
you want pills? you go to the chemist, using an id, you can get what ever you want.
chemist thinks you’ve got an issue, you have to go to a dr/detox.

No dirty bathtubs making meth.
No western Sydney shootings.
No petty crime to get a hit.

Drug "addictions" are a manifestation of underlying psychological trauma.

Dr Gabor Mate is your go to mentor about this. Brilliant man. Check out Dr Carl Hart also.

Society, generally, really IS to blame.

 

[Del191229]

Meth isn't cannabis or MDMA. It's medicinal functions are extremely limited, and the common forms it is produced and proliferated in has next-to-no medicinal use at all.

There's a huge difference between something like Dexamphetamine Sulphate prescribed in 5mg tablets, and a dirty rock of ice cooked in a shed in some rural backwater and smoked in a pipe in Melton.

Can't go with you on this one, SimpkinByTheDockOfTheBay

Well, your view of banning it isn't exactly working is it?

Especially when the cops are directly involved in its supply, as they are.

 

[Snake_Baker]

I wouldn't utilise Chad's opinion for the usage of aspirin.

As usual, he's running with the programmed political position.

 

[Chadwiko]

I wouldn't utilise Chad's opinion for the usage of aspirin.

As usual, he's running with the programmed political position.

Please, enlighten us with your expertise on the subject of meth labs.

 

[Del191229]

Drug "addictions" are a manifestation of underlying psychological trauma.

Dr Gabor Mate is your go to mentor about this. Brilliant man. Check out Dr Carl Hart also.

Society, generally, really IS to blame.

100 per cent.

 

[Del191229]

Please, enlighten us with your expertise on the subject of meth labs.

You're the one who said you worked for VicPol mate, you could answer better than anyone.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Get Matt Gaetz to retweet a picture of Lee Harvey Oswald.

Change your name to Matt Gaetz is a pedo.

Win.

 

[Del191229]

Get Matt Gaetz to retweet a picture of Lee Harvey Oswald.

Change your name to Matt Gaetz is a pedo.

Win.

He did this last year too no?

 

[Chadwiko]

You're the one who said you worked for VicPol mate, you could answer better than anyone.

I already did.

 

[Themanbun]

We need to rethink the problem entirely, people who want drugs are going to find them anyway. Treat the underlying issues, not the cause.

I know a lot of high functioning people who take, meth, heroin, LSD etc. these people are holding down jobs at an executive level. Simply they like drugs, been doing them since University days, they’re not going to change now..

It’s pointless trying say there’s a one solution to this issue. Personally I’d go the other way and take the criminally completely out of it..
you want pills? you go to the chemist, using an id, you can get what ever you want.
chemist thinks you’ve got an issue, you have to go to a dr/detox.

No dirty bathtubs making meth.
No western Sydney shootings.
No petty crime to get a hit.

My absolutely amateurish position on this is that you should either go one way or the other if you want to reduce drug dependency in any meaningful way. Heavy criminalisation (not of the legal, western kind) and penalties or far more legalisation and treating the societal problems, not creating criminals. Of course I support the latter, but our halfway house (pardon the pun) approach doesn't really seem effective at all.

 

[Del191229]

I already did.

Yeah, you said we should keep meth illegal, which is proven to be an absolutely failed position.

 

[Lomas]

I already did.

I took it to mean that by working for VicPol you would have access to any records of Snake's expertise, or lack thereof, on the subject of meth labs? I'm confused now, thought it was quite witty.

 

[Chadwiko]

I took it to mean that by working for VicPol you would have access to any records of Snake's expertise, or lack thereof, on the subject of meth labs? I'm confused now, thought it was quite witty.

No, and all banter aside let me be 100% clear that working at VicPol doesn't mean I was ever able to just look up whomever I wanted in any sort of database. There are incredibly tight data/privacy protections around that stuff.

The issue of addiction, drugs in the community and the impact on vulnerable people is far too complex to effectively distill down into a high-level conversation on a footy forum. So instead I guess I'll break it down into dot-points, with another caveat that of course there's more nuance to it than this;

1. Addiction is a legitimate disease
2. Blanket drug prohibition has never been the answer
3. Blanket decriminalisation has never been the answer
4. Cannabis should be fully legalised, regulated, and taxed (the 'Colorado Model')
5. MDMA should be widely available for therapeutic use, prescribed by specialists
6. Methamphetamines have no medicinal use in the vast majority of forms that it is produced in by ****wits who cook it in their backyards
7. Methamphetamines aren't just a "recreational drug" that you can compare to Cannabis, or a 'party' drug you can compare to MDMA. It is significantly more addictive, more damaging to both short term and long-term health, and leads to more violent outbursts than any other drug by far.

 

[Chadwiko]

Yeah, you said we should keep meth illegal, which is proven to be an absolutely failed position.

Criminals get guns, too. Should we get rid of our world-leading gun-control legislation in Australia?
Condoms are only 98%~ effective at stopping the transmission of STIs or pregnancies. Should we start teaching kids not to use them?
The Covid-19 vaccines don't totally prevent infection or transmission. Should we stop the roll-out of the vaccination program?

Just because something isn't 100% effective doesn't mean it isn't effective.

We need far more services available for people battling addiction, and far more resources available for drug education and intervention programs. That is also true.

 

[Del191229]

No, and all banter aside let me be 100% clear that working at VicPol doesn't mean I was ever able to just look up whomever I wanted in any sort of database. There are incredibly tight data/privacy protections around that stuff.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

I totally believe you didn't, but every deadshit flatfoot who pulls on the uniform is straight onto LEAP looking up their exs new boyf, what the nice man at the gym who gives then roids tells them to etc.

 

[Chadwiko]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

I totally believe you didn't, but every deadshit flatfoot who pulls on the uniform is straight onto LEAP looking up their exs new boyf, what the nice man at the gym who gives then roids tells them to etc.

In the old days I am positive that was true. But that isn't the case and hasn't been for years now.

I'm not going to go into it in more detail on a public forum.

 

[Del191229]

Criminals get guns, too. Should we get rid of our world-leading gun-control legislation in Australia?
Condoms are only 98%~ effective at stopping the transmission of STIs or pregnancies. Should we start teaching kids not to use them?
The Covid-19 vaccines don't totally prevent infection or transmission. Should we stop the roll-out of the vaccination program?

Just because something isn't 100% effective doesn't mean it isn't effective.

We need far more services available for people battling addiction, and far more resources available for drug education and intervention programs. That is also true.

Guns and condoms stuff is straw man crap.

I personally have huge issues with decriminalising meth for the reasons you list above about its potential to turn people violent.

But right now the meth trade and more importantly the CASH associated with it is the biggest driver of criminal behaviour after family violence (I'd guess).

We need to take the cash element, the profit motive, out of it, before any of the treatment angles can really work.

Otherwise we are just chasing our tails.

 

[Del191229]

In the old days I am positive that was true. But that isn't the case and hasn't been for years now.

I'm not going to go into it in more detail on a public forum.

This argument would have more credibility if one of our premiership heroes and former coach wasn't publicly humiliated by cops while experiencing a hugely vulnerable moment in their life.

 

[Chadwiko]

This argument would have more credibility if one of our premiership heroes and former coach wasn't publicly humiliated by cops while experiencing a hugely vulnerable moment in their life.

a) none of which occured due to a misuse of police database systems
b) the cops who did it were caught and rightfully charged in an incredibly quick timeframe, thus demonstrating the point I'm making.

 

[Del191229]

a) none of which occured due to a misuse of police database systems
b) the cops who did it were caught and rightfully charged in an incredibly quick timeframe, thus demonstrating the point I'm making.

If they're going to do that, they'll use the DBs too.

And as for the second point, they were all kicked off the force were they?

The fact it happened proves my point.

They are corrupt, violent, racist murdering dogs.

 

[Chadwiko]

They are corrupt, violent, racist murdering dogs.

Look, it's clear that nothing I say is going to change your mind considering this is the basis you're starting from.

I'm no huge 'rah-rah' cheerleader of police here in Australia. There are, have been, and likely always will be massive assholes attracted to the implicit power they think comes with the job.

But to go back to the original point in an attempt to stay somewhat on-topic; in the modern world, police can't get away with the type of stuff you're accusing them of anymore. That's all I'm saying.

 

[DesertRoo]

No, and all banter aside let me be 100% clear that working at VicPol doesn't mean I was ever able to just look up whomever I wanted in any sort of database. There are incredibly tight data/privacy protections around that stuff.

The issue of addiction, drugs in the community and the impact on vulnerable people is far too complex to effectively distill down into a high-level conversation on a footy forum. So instead I guess I'll break it down into dot-points, with another caveat that of course there's more nuance to it than this;

1. Addiction is a legitimate disease
2. Blanket drug prohibition has never been the answer
3. Blanket decriminalisation has never been the answer
4. Cannabis should be fully legalised, regulated, and taxed (the 'Colorado Model')
5. MDMA should be widely available for therapeutic use, prescribed by specialists
6. Methamphetamines have no medicinal use in the vast majority of forms that it is produced in by *******s who cook it in their backyards
7. Methamphetamines aren't just a "recreational drug" that you can compare to Cannabis, or a 'party' drug you can compare to MDMA. It is significantly more addictive, more damaging to both short term and long-term health, and leads to more violent outbursts than any other drug by far.

points 6 & 7
If it’s completely legalised, you’d know how everything was made, you’d also be able to quantify how much someone had..
ie po po and ambulance heading to a drugs incident, they could find out ‘chad’ has brought a box of pills.. to counter act X we could give him Y.. logical guesswork.

rather then at the moment.. he has taken drugs made in a backyard lab, not sure what is in it/can’t give him anything because it might counter act.

you’d also have the infrastructure around to deal with these types of incidence. Ie Chad has had an episode, maybe before he’s allow to purchase anything else, he must go to a dr/rehab.. problems get recognised sooner.

 

[Del191229]

But to go back to the original point in an attempt to stay somewhat on-topic; in the modern world, police can't get away with the type of stuff you're accusing them of anymore. That's all I'm saying.

I suppose we're both here because we're gullible enough to believe North are going to win a flag in our lifetime.

But real talk, if we decriminalised all drugs, including meth, then we could totally reshape our police's priorities so they could actually focus their attention on crimes against the person.

As long as drugs are illegal, they will be corrupted and do the shit we've seen them do for decades in terms of working hand in hand with criminals to increase the drug supply.

Drugs are now cheaper, higher purity and more widely available than ever before.

Our police are more corrupt and less interested in actually being part of society, than ever before.

 

[Chadwiko]

points 6 & 7
If it’s completely legalised, you’d know how everything was made, you’d also be able to quantify how much someone had..
ie po po and ambulance heading to a drugs incident, they could find out ‘chad’ has brought a box of pills.. to counter act X we could give him Y.. logical guesswork.

rather then at the moment.. he has taken drugs made in a backyard lab, not sure what is in it..

There's another side to that coin, though.

An average 18 year old kid doesn't intrinsically know how to find and purchase meth. For all it's proliferation around the community, it is (thankfully) still quite rare in comparison to (for example) a dime bag of hydro weed.

Anyone with any experience in pragmatic risk-mitigation will tell you that increasing the availability of/access to a dangerous substance outweighs the potential benefits gained, no matter how pure the intentions.

 

[Kangaroos techno]

Ban all drugs except garlic and horseradish, zinc, and vitamin C. If you can't cure anything with those 3 your immune system isn't good enough.

Also, i can't speak for meth but there really is nothing sweeter than chewing on two cenovis vitamin c tablets. You can't beat that high.