Play Nice Random Chat Thread VI

[koshari]

Isis are a whole different level of evil in the Middle East.

Especially in the East of Afghanistan, towards Pakistan. The Taliban and Isis have pitched battles against each other. Then add in the religious differences Sunni/Shia, and then the tribal/ethnic differences, and it is a mess.

They are going to be an unending source of problems for the Taliban in that country. They can not be bargained with, bribed or threatened. I hope they kill each other for years to come.

Or better yet they evolve to not beleive in religious dogma. Of course that requires education and proper school's are non existant .

 

[Val Keating]

Isis are a whole different level of evil in the Middle East.

Especially in the East of Afghanistan, towards Pakistan. The Taliban and Isis have pitched battles against each other. Then add in the religious differences Sunni/Shia, and then the tribal/ethnic differences, and it is a mess.

They are going to be an unending source of problems for the Taliban in that country. They can not be bargained with, bribed or threatened. I hope they kill each other for years to come.

Isn’t there talk of them aligning?

 

[Val Keating]

When one of your favourite comedians criticises Australia

Spoiler: Language warning

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Yea, looks like ISIS isn’t quite finished with us westerners. It won’t be the last bombing in Afghanistan either as the Taliban and ISIS-K are not on the friendliest of terms.


To put it bluntly, ISIS-K and the Taliban are bitter enemies.

ISIS-K has criticised the Taliban's willingness to negotiate with the US, including of recent discussions in Doha, Qatar that led to the withdrawal of foreign troops from Afghanistan.


One ISIS commentary published after the fall of Kabul accused the Taliban of betraying jihadists.

It vowed to continue its fight, according to the SITE Intelligence Group, which monitors militant communications.

Who are IS-K and where did they come from?

IS-K has carried out dozens of deadly attacks in Afghanistan, targeting schools, mosques and women. And its bitter enemy is now in charge of the country they want to control.

www.google.com.au

Suicide bombing at Kabul airport kills at least 60, including 13 US troops

Islamic State claims responsibility for a suicide bombing attack Afghan officials say killed at least 60 people at Kabul's international airport. The attacks led Australia to suspend its evacuation mission.

www.google.com.au

 

[Ligma]

Rudy Gulliani is a disgusting pig

 

[B4Bear]

Isn’t there talk of them aligning?

They will never align. Isis are a death cult. They literally murder everyone and everything in their way. They make the Taliban seem like rational state actors.

The two groups literally fight to the death when they encounter each other. The latest bombing at the airport just reinforces that.

The Taliban absolutely have to show the people that they are in control, and that there will be no random bombings by other groups. If they can not do that their rule is in big trouble before it even begins, people will flock to those that are seen to be able to protect them, hence why the last 20 years ended how it did, the government couldn't protect the population. And they lost popular support.

 

[giantroo]

Revenge! Revenge! Revenge!

 

[B4Bear]

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Except it wasn't the Taliban. I am not sure attacking them while you have thousands of troops in a city that only has an airbridge out is a viable solution.

 

[giantroo]

Except it wasn't the Taliban. I am not sure attacking them while you have thousands of troops in a city that only has an airbridge out is a viable solution.

I know that. Though it seems like wiping out cities of innocent people is all ok in the name of revenge.

 

[Swallow_Wood]

I know that. Though it seems like wiping out cities of innocent people is all ok in the name of revenge.

And that those who kill Americans are evil, but wiping out a city isn't.

 

[DesertRoo]

I remember a time when media pundits calling for incitement to genocide was frowned upon..

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Isn’t there talk of them aligning?

Different cats in terms of history, ideology, goals, supporters and motivations. Let’s just say the Taliban is the slightly more reasonable of the two.

 

[ferball]

No more evil then anyone else? Turn it up Ferbs.

No more evil than anyone else with power on the planet.

What did he do that was so bad compared to the invasion of Iraq, Iran Contra, medical experiments on your own citizens etc etc.

All he did was lead his people against a much more powerful enemy in an incredible effective way. Its not like the west hasn't been bombing civilians for over 100 years while it steals the resources of the rest of the world and pretends to be all about "freedom and democracy".

I accept the campaigner wasn't on my side and none of the people that followed him were either, and I wouldn't expect anything from his people but a fight, but how is he worse than the US sponsoring the overthrow of Allende? Or contractors prostituting little boys in Afghanistan and Kosovo? He was just fighting a war, not running pedophile rings of the elite using indigenous kids from residential Schools in Canada, or private girls schools in Melbourne, for example.

 

[Val Keating]

I know that. Though it seems like wiping out cities of innocent people is all ok in the name of revenge.

The amount of times that people, especially on construction sites would casually just say “nuke the lot of them” was astounding. I always wondered if they really knew what that meant.

 

[Val Keating]

No more evil than anyone else with power on the planet.

What did he do that was so bad compared to the invasion of Iraq, Iran Contra, medical experiments on your own citizens etc etc.

All he did was lead his people against a much more powerful enemy in an incredible effective way. Its not like the west hasn't been bombing civilians for over 100 years while it steals the resources of the rest of the world and pretends to be all about "freedom and democracy".

I accept the campaigner wasn't on my side and none of the people that followed him were either, and I wouldn't expect anything from his people but a fight, but how is he worse than the US sponsoring the overthrow of Allende? Or contractors prostituting little boys in Afghanistan and Kosovo? He was just fighting a war, not running pedophile rings of the elite using indigenous kids from residential Schools in Canada, or private girls schools in Melbourne, for example.

Flying planes into buildings full of civilians isn’t fighting a war.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

The amount of times that people, especially on construction sites would casually just say “nuke the lot of them” was astounding. I always wondered if they really knew what that meant.

You already answered the question. They don’t, they are talking shit or running their mouths unfiltered.

 

[ferball]

I remember a time when media pundits calling for incitement to genocide was frowned upon..

" We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."

 

[DesertRoo]

You already answered the question. They don’t, they are talking sh*t or running their mouths unfiltered.

Certainly a distinction, and responsibly, between someone who’s paid to have an opinion and a schmuck on the street.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Certainly a distinction, and responsibly, between someone who’s paid to have an opinion and a schmuck on the street.

You can always spot the ones that have experienced war and those at home that buy into false myths.

 

[DesertRoo]

" We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."

Julius Streicher, reading that, wondering what his trial was about..

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

" We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."

History and war should never be restricted to simplistic binaries of good versus evil. Even your example of Allied bombing has grey all over it. By destroying German industry and killing 300-600k Germans, they sped up the collapse of a regime that had gassed millions and were still killing people in concentration camps up to the very last days of the war. In saying that, I would class the bombing Dresden as a war crime. Beyond transport, the city had little strategic value.

Even the Soviet rape of Eastern Europe has a degree of grey about it considering how much the Soviet Union suffered against the Nazis. The same goes for the execution of waffen-ss by allied forces, who committed equal, or worse, crimes themselves.

Good v evil binaries only result in myths and generalisations that lead you nowhere good.

 

[ferball]

Flying planes into buildings full of civilians isn’t fighting a war.

Flying cruise missles into civilian factories then lying to the world that they were producing chemical weapons is okay is it?

Bin laden was fighting a nuclear power that has already bombed civilians and he ran a guerilla army. He used what he had at his disposal to hit back at a country that was trying to bomb him with cruise missiles, ****ed it up, got involved in another war (the Kashmir conflict) and killed members of Pakistani intelligence (the ISI) in the process. (Which was probably why the ISI facilitated the transfer of money to Mohammed Atta to enable the 9/11 attacks.)

But yeah he is evil and no one else is.

 

[B4Bear]

Flying cruise missles into civilian factories then lying to the world that they were producing chemical weapons is okay is it?

Bin laden was fighting a nuclear power that has already bombed civilians and he ran a guerilla army. He used what he had at his disposal to hit back at a country that was trying to bomb him with cruise missiles, f’ed it up, got involved in another war (the Kashmir conflict) and killed members of Pakistani intelligence (the ISI) in the process. (Which was probably why the ISI facilitated the transfer of money to Mohammed Atta to enable the 9/11 attacks.)

But yeah he is evil and no one else is.

Who said that no one else is evil? No one is saying that others are innocent in all this, you are the only one conflating that.

 

[ferball]

History and war should never be restricted to simplistic binaries of good versus evil. Even your example of Allied bombing has grey all over it. By destroying German industry and killing 300-600k Germans, they sped up the collapse of a regime that had gassed millions and were still killing people in concentration camps up to the very last days of the war. In saying that, I would class the bombing Dresden as a war crime. Beyond transport, the city had little strategic value.

Even the Soviet rape of Eastern Europe has a degree of grey about it considering how much the Soviet Union suffered against the Nazis. The same goes for the execution of waffen-ss by allied forces, who committed equal, or worse, crimes themselves.

Good v evil binaries only result in myths and generalisations that lead you nowhere good.

Its not my example. Its a psycho American lady with man hands.

BTW a mate of mine from primary school's dad was a Lancaster pilot who fire bombed Dresden. I asked him about it once, when I was about 12, and he said he actually went back there, to the memorial. He met a survivor and they had a talk about it, maybe even a coffee or the 50s equivalent.

 

[ferball]

Who said that no one else is evil? No one is saying that others are innocent in all this, you are the only one conflating that.

This is the context of that comment:

No more evil then anyone else? Turn it up Ferbs.

No more evil than anyone else with power on the planet.

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