Play Nice Random Chat Thread VI

[Kangaroos4eva]

Further to all that...

If I was an ambitious non partisan US national seciurity/geopolitics type (with no soul) in Washington I'd be pushing to start a low level war between the Russians and Chinese in central Asia over the next 5-10 years.

They have their own issues with each other, but I don't see that happening.

Russia opens Siberian pipeline to China as Beijing expands its influence in the Arctic

Beijing branded itself as a "near-Arctic state" and its far-stretched claim on the area is highly dependent on its partnership with Russia.

www.cnbc.com

 

[koshari]

They have their own issues with each other, but I don't see that happening.

Russia opens Siberian pipeline to China as Beijing expands its influence in the Arctic

Beijing branded itself as a "near-Arctic state" and its far-stretched claim on the area is highly dependent on its partnership with Russia.

www.cnbc.com

i heard once that they have a healthy mistrust of one another. i think is the ruskies had such a big issue with china they would have acted ages ago when they began pirating their aircraft, ak47s and aircraft carriers.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

i heard once that they have a healthy mistrust of one another. i think is the ruskies had such a big issue with china they would have acted ages ago when they began pirating their aircraft, ak47s and aircraft carriers.

You could say that...

Sino-Soviet border conflict - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Forever North]

Don’t think the Chinese are that stupid as to do anything but try to somehow get their grubby hands on Afghanistans abundant natural resources as has been reported that they have. Good opportunity now that the Americans aren’t around for them to do ‘business’ Chinese style with the Taliban.

 

[ferball]

kid on the voice wearing a WPA shirt.

Do you mean WAP?

 

[ferball]

Don’t think the Chinese are that stupid as to do anything but try to somehow get their grubby hands on Afghanistans abundant natural resources as has been reported that they have. Good opportunity now that the Americans aren’t around for them to do ‘business’ Chinese style with the Taliban.

The Chinese did help the Yanks when they began to arm the Mujahadeen 40 years ago.

Someone, dunno who, said modern Russia acts more like a large rogue energy corporation than a nation. I imagine they'll have designs on those Afghan natural resources as well. But even without them Russia is gonna be the dominant power of the 21st and early 22 century. All the moves its made recently (ie last 15 years) have been to increase its access to and control of energy resources in Central Asia. Its aim is to have supply pipelines from East Asia to Western Europe and it'll have them within a decade.

 

[ferball]

They have their own issues with each other, but I don't see that happening.

Russia opens Siberian pipeline to China as Beijing expands its influence in the Arctic

Beijing branded itself as a "near-Arctic state" and its far-stretched claim on the area is highly dependent on its partnership with Russia.

www.cnbc.com

On the surface no, but this "China is an Arctic state" bullshit is a point of potential conflict that you could work away at imo. That is the point, pull of driving a wedge between those two right now and you've done a big job in terms of keeping up US geopolitical interests. Cos once the arctic melts the last 100 years or so of our global civilisation will probably involve fighting over the fossil fuels that are there (so they can maintain their militaries and jkeep fighting to control the fossil fuels that are there )

When Orwell wrote 1984 he had Eurasia (Russia basically but in the past Turks and Romans), East Asia (China basically) and the rest of the world (Oceania) because that's basically how the world has aligned itself for centuries, if not millenia.

Right now we in Oceania are at war with East Asia and Eurasia (and always have been - even before the 20th century with opium wars, Crimea, Dracula stopping the Muslims etc etc.) A partnership with one or the other is the next obvious step.

 

[The Dingrel]

The Chinese did help the Yanks when they began to arm the Mujahadeen 40 years ago.

Someone, dunno who, said modern Russia acts more like a large rogue energy corporation than a nation. I imagine they'll have designs on those Afghan natural resources as well. But even without them Russia is gonna be the dominant power of the 21st and early 22 century. All the moves its made recently (ie last 15 years) have been to increase its access to and control of energy resources in Central Asia. Its aim is to have supply pipelines from East Asia to Western Europe and it'll have them within a decade.

Good points apart from the fact that fossil fuels are in decline. It's no coincidence Norway and the Saudis are selling off their oil assets. By no means am I a renewable energy evangelist, but consider the marginal cost of generating a unit of electricity is zero after the upfront capital costs of solar (therefore lowering production costs). Technology is deflationary. The japanese have invested heavily in hydrogen, even building solar farms to generate and store hydrogen which is a more effective way to store energy than in batteries. Controlling fossil fuels supplies and their distribution isn't going to make Russia the dominant power of the next two centuries. Even in this country, the only reason we don't have nuclear power is the abundance of cheap coal which makes nuclear power relatively more expensive, and I suspect that is what the "carbon tax" was all about (regardless of whether of not the Labor party even knew it).

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Good points apart from the fact that fossil fuels are in decline. It's no coincidence Norway and the Saudis are selling off their oil assets. By no means am I a renewable energy evangelist, but consider the marginal cost of generating a unit of electricity is zero after the upfront capital costs of solar (therefore lowering production costs). Technology is deflationary. The japanese have invested heavily in hydrogen, even building solar farms to generate and store hydrogen which is a more effective way to store energy than in batteries. Controlling fossil fuels supplies and their distribution isn't going to make Russia the dominant power of the next two centuries. Even in this country, the only reason we don't have nuclear power is the abundance of cheap coal which makes nuclear power relatively more expensive, and I suspect that is what the "carbon tax" was all about (regardless of whether of not the Labor party even new it).

The anti-nuclear power runs far deeper beyond cheap coal.

 

[The Dingrel]

The anti-nuclear power runs far deeper beyond cheap coal.

sure it does.

 

[giantroo]

 

[Ligma]

I got a new desk from ikea today and it took me 1 HOUR TO MAKE ONE OF THE DRAWS FFS

 

[gokangas]

I got a new desk from ikea today and it took me 1 HOUR TO MAKE ONE OF THE DRAWS FFS

I bought a book from Ikea.

 

[Swallow_Wood]

I got a new desk from ikea today and it took me 1 HOUR TO MAKE ONE OF THE DRAWS FFS

I hate to be that guy but DRAWERS

 

[Ligma]

I hate to be that guy but DRAWERS

SAME SHIT OMFG IM NEARLY FINISHED I HAD 5 mental breakdowns

 

[DesertRoo]

 

[big_e]

 

[Val Keating]

Might have to start up fishing

 

[koshari]

Do you mean WAP?

weddings parties anything.

 

[DesertRoo]

prefight faceoff gone wrong

 

[rickety]

weddings parties anything.

Roosistance

 

[Shinboner1]

Chinese billionaire actress no longer exists

She has millions of adoring fans. She’s worth billions of dollars. But Beijing has all but erased actress Zhao Wei from history. And they won’t say why.

www.news.com.au

 

[Val Keating]

Chinese billionaire actress no longer exists

She has millions of adoring fans. She’s worth billions of dollars. But Beijing has all but erased actress Zhao Wei from history. And they won’t say why.

www.news.com.au

They did that to Jack Ma owner of Alibaba in 2020 as well after he criticised the Chinese financial system.

Why did Alibaba's Jack Ma disappear for three months?

Alibaba's Jack Ma appeared to fall out of favour after criticising China's regulators.

www.bbc.com

 

[Val Keating]

Basically in China people need to know their place.

 

[koshari]

Basically in China people need to know their place.

or have a rigid departure plan in place before speaking out.