Play Nice Random Chat Thread VI

[Val Keating]

I would hope not.

I’m such an idiot. Thought see see meant he had his hat on backwards, just noticed the writing

 

[Pickitt]

I’m such an idiot. Thought see see meant he had his hat on backwards, just noticed the writing

I'm more impressed of how they got a perfect selfie of the back of their head let alone all of the cap they were wearing

 

[Val Keating]

Apparently the new Superman is bisexual and it’s got some conservatives in a tizzy, wait till they find out about the relationship between Batman and Robin “the boy wonder”

 

[Ligma]

You are wrong about this. Read the NSW act and get back to me (on another thread if you want.)

For the life of me I cannot find legislation that says that priests don’t have to report. I have read the Children and Young Persons (Care and Protection) Act 1998 No 157 on legislation.nsw.gov.au and it doesn’t give any exemptions. I have also read the Sydney Catholic Mandatory Reporting sheet and I cannot also find where I am wrong. Am I looking in the wrong places?

It’s up to the priest or whoever to make those judgements but it would be clear to know the right from wrong. If they don’t want to report that’s on them and it will cost them 50 penalty units or 12 months, or both.

 

[Val Keating]

For the life of me I cannot find legislation that says that priests don’t have to report. I have read the Children and Young Persons (Care and Protection) Act 1998 No 157 on legislation.nsw.gov.au and it doesn’t give any exemptions. I have also read the Sydney Catholic Mandatory Reporting sheet and I cannot also find where I am wrong. Am I looking in the wrong places?

It’s up to the priest or whoever to make those judgements but it would be clear to know the right from wrong. If they don’t want to report that’s on them and it will cost them 50 penalty units or 12 months, or both.

I think you’re right, they did bring in a law that they had to report if a heinous crime was going to take place or was ongoing, but most priests would hold the law of the church above the laws of the state anyway.

 

[Ligma]

I think you’re right, they did bring in a law that they had to report if a heinous crime was going to take place or was ongoing, but most priests would hold the law of the church above the laws of the state anyway.

Yeah, they added people who worked in religious places a mandatory reporter. What Ferb is talking about is during confession, unless it is outlined that “if abuse is confessed during a religious confession then you don’t have to report” which is really stupid to do as it would be hypocritical in an way that and very gross.

 

[B4Bear]

Yeah, they added people who worked in religious places a mandatory reporter. What Ferb is talking about is during confession, unless it is outlined that “if abuse is confessed during a religious confession then you don’t have to report” which is really stupid to do as it would be hypocritical in an way that and very gross.

The RC Church and hypocrisy are ancient bedfellows.

 

[Shinboner1]

https://providers.dffh.vic.gov.au/mandatory-reporting

 

[ferball]

For the life of me I cannot find legislation that says that priests don’t have to report. I have read the Children and Young Persons (Care and Protection) Act 1998 No 157 on legislation.nsw.gov.au and it doesn’t give any exemptions. I have also read the Sydney Catholic Mandatory Reporting sheet and I cannot also find where I am wrong. Am I looking in the wrong places?

It’s up to the priest or whoever to make those judgements but it would be clear to know the right from wrong. If they don’t want to report that’s on them and it will cost them 50 penalty units or 12 months, or both.

Very specifically there is a difference between people in the Sydney Catholic School system being mandatory reporters and all priests being mandatory reporters.

There is also a very specific difference between a person confessing a crime and the suspicion that a child is the victim of abuse or neglect or a specific crime. Mandatory reporting has to do with someone suspecting a child is the victim of abuse. You have to know the child, not the abuser for a start. Then there are procedures that are specific that you have to follow.

(Its a very poorly enforceable concept too. What is suspicion of abuse? Its not really quantifiable to refer to with respect to child abuse except in extreme cases where kids go from being happy to severely traumatised quite quickly. AFAIK that was specifically to force teachers to report cases of potential neglect, where kids don't come to school. Don't have notes explaining absence, aren't fed or clothed properly and are always hungry. Never washed and always in the same dirty clothes when they got to school. In those circumstances its easier for someone to suspect neglect because the signs are consistent and obvious.)

Dom Perriwinkle made his comments about priests hearing the confession of an abuser not a victim. So the whole concept of mandatory reporting immediately becomes nebulous. Who is the victim that the report is attached to? How can you report a crime without a known victim? He also referred to cases where priests confessed to other priests i think. That still doesn't allow for any knowledge of the victim. (On a human level - What if they are friends? I've had friends confess crimes to me. No way i'm telling the cops.

One even confessed child abuse once. It wasn't even abuse in the sense of a priest betraying trust with a kid, it was the other end of the scale of abuse to that, they were a kid when it happened and told me decades later. This person was tormented by it all their life and killed themselves in the end. I'm sure the guilt of that incident played a part,. Not condoning what they did either but what they told me was on the lowest possible end of the scale by someone with no real understanding of what they were doing.)

So how am I sposed to mandatory report that? Its exactly the same situation as many priests hearing another priests confession of child abuse (except the scale obviously but there is no allowance for scale.)

Finally old mate has a point about the sanctity of the confessional.

Once upon a time people would confess things like treason to a priest. Stuff that would have them tortured to death by the ruler of the land in parts of Europe including the UK less than 250 years ago. As far as the people hearing confession go its between the sinner and god and the state has no business hearing about what is going on. For the people that take that stuff seriously, especially Catholic priests, they won't be saying a thing. Even if they wanted too they wouldn't.

As soon as it becomes compulsory for priests to report crimes heard in confession they'll tell people to stop confessing their crimes. Or they'll ignore the law.

 

[Ligma]

Very specifically there is a difference between people in the Sydney Catholic School system being mandatory reporters and all priests being mandatory reporters.

There is also a very specific difference between a person confessing a crime and the suspicion that a child is the victim of abuse or neglect or a specific crime. Mandatory reporting has to do with someone suspecting a child is the victim of abuse. You have to know the child, not the abuser for a start. Then there are procedures that are specific that you have to follow.

(Its a very poorly enforceable concept too. What is suspicion of abuse? Its not really quantifiable to refer to with respect to child abuse except in extreme cases where kids go from being happy to severely traumatised quite quickly. AFAIK that was specifically to force teachers to report cases of potential neglect, where kids don't come to school. Don't have notes explaining absence, aren't fed or clothed properly and are always hungry. Never washed and always in the same dirty clothes when they got to school. In those circumstances its easier for someone to suspect neglect because the signs are consistent and obvious.)

Dom Perriwinkle made his comments about priests hearing the confession of an abuser not a victim. So the whole concept of mandatory reporting immediately becomes nebulous. Who is the victim that the report is attached to? How can you report a crime without a known victim? He also referred to cases where priests confessed to other priests i think. That still doesn't allow for any knowledge of the victim. (On a human level - What if they are friends? I've had friends confess crimes to me. No way i'm telling the cops.

One even confessed child abuse once. It wasn't even abuse in the sense of a priest betraying trust with a kid, it was the other end of the scale of abuse to that, they were a kid when it happened and told me decades later. This person was tormented by it all their life and killed themselves in the end. I'm sure the guilt of that incident played a part,. Not condoning what they did either but what they told me was on the lowest possible end of the scale by someone with no real understanding of what they were doing.)

So how am I sposed to mandatory report that? Its exactly the same situation as many priests hearing another priests confession of child abuse (except the scale obviously but there is no allowance for scale.)

Finally old mate has a point about the sanctity of the confessional.

Once upon a time people would confess things like treason to a priest. Stuff that would have them tortured to death by the ruler of the land in parts of Europe including the UK less than 250 years ago. As far as the people hearing confession go its between the sinner and god and the state has no business hearing about what is going on. For the people that take that stuff seriously, especially Catholic priests, they won't be saying a thing. Even if they wanted too they wouldn't.

As soon as it becomes compulsory for priests to report crimes heard in confession they'll tell people to stop confessing their crimes. Or they'll ignore the law.

That’s literally what I said in my other comment where no matter if confidentiality is involved, if the therapist needed to they would report. Point being that mandatory reporting is aimed at victims.

suspicion of abuse? In a school setting firstly a teacher would ask the student to stay back to have a chat ask if everything is okay at home as they have obviously noticed something different about them, then if further suspicion arises then they can go to the level leaders where they will also have a chat to said student. I myself have been through an alternate process of it.

the priest can still report even if it’s an accused, the police can still ask questions and the accused can give evidence.

holy moly a lot to unpack. If ANYONE I don’t care who it bloody is comes and confesses to me about CHILD ABUSE when they of at the age where they understand what they are doing, I don’t give a single shit I will dob them in. The police have saved me from being further trafficked and I would hate to have another person go through what I have been through. I do not like what police do but I can’t help but thank them from saving my life and many other victims. Knowing the victim or not. I know you hate the police, but for victims of trafficking, SA, DV who have been saved by them from losing their life.

 

[ferball]

That’s literally what I said in my other comment where no matter if confidentiality is involved, if the therapist needed to they would report. Point being that mandatory reporting is aimed at victims.

suspicion of abuse? In a school setting firstly a teacher would ask the student to stay back to have a chat ask if everything is okay at home as they have obviously noticed something different about them, then if further suspicion arises then they can go to the level leaders where they will also have a chat to said student. I myself have been through an alternate process of it.

the priest can still report even if it’s an accused, the police can still ask questions and the accused can give evidence.

holy moly a lot to unpack. If ANYONE I don’t care who it bloody is comes and confesses to me about CHILD ABUSE when they of at the age where they understand what they are doing, I don’t give a single sh*t I will dob them in. The police have saved me from being further trafficked and I would hate to have another person go through what I have been through. I do not like what police do but I can’t help but thank them from saving my life and many other victims. Knowing the victim or not. I know you hate the police, but for victims of trafficking, SA, DV who have been saved by them from losing their life.

I had a friend who had been working as prostitute from the age of 8 and was still a minor when I helped get her out of the business she was in. At no small risk to my own life and we didn't get the cops involved. I've got no problem with mandatory reporting but do have serious problems with child abusers. What a 12 year old boy does once then spends their life regretting, like my dead mate, is not in the same class of shit thing tho.

My point is the NSW Premier was talking about priests in confession not mandatory reporting situations. A priest isn't a therapist (tho many have been the rapist of kids) they don't get their authority or legitimacy (lol) from the state.

Mandatory reporting is centred around the victim. A confession can have nothing to do with a victim's identity so its impossible to even apply mandatory reporting requirements to confession across the board, except in some limited circumstances. They are different things.

A priest could work with kids and report he suspects one is an abuse victim while hearing the abusers confession and possibly never know its the same situation.

 

[Ligma]

I had a friend who had been working as prostitute from the age of 8 and was still a minor when I helped get her out of the business she was in. At no small risk to my own life and we didn't get the cops involved. I've got no problem with mandatory reporting but do have serious problems with child abusers. What a 12 year old boy does once then spends their life regretting, like my dead mate, is not in the same class of sh*t thing tho.

My point is the NSW Premier was talking about priests in confession not mandatory reporting situations. A priest isn't a therapist (tho many have been the rapist of kids) they don't get their authority or legitimacy (lol) from the state.

Mandatory reporting is centred around the victim. A confession can have nothing to do with a victim's identity so its impossible to even apply mandatory reporting requirements to confession across the board, except in some limited circumstances. They are different things.

A priest could work with kids and report he suspects one is an abuse victim while hearing the abusers confession and possibly never know its the same situation.

That’s cool. If I ever came across someone who was being sexually abused I would want any people who was involved serving time and getting justice for victims. This is a ****ing hard topic for me, this is why I’m so passionate, I don’t even want my worst enemy to have to go through what I went through being a minor being trafficked and my body being exploited. I want every sex offender behind bars. People really piss me off

Read what I wrote because I never said they were the same thing ffs.

skjdksksmsnd I also didn’t say priest and therapists were the same skdnskksndskjdksk

did I not also say that it was the victims or am I just hallucinating?

 

[ferball]

That’s cool. If I ever came across someone who was being sexually abused I would want any people who was involved serving time and getting justice for victims. This is a ******* hard topic for me, this is why I’m so passionate, I don’t even want my worst enemy to have to go through what I went through being a minor being trafficked and my body being exploited. I want every sex offender behind bars. People really piss me off

Read what I wrote because I never said they were the same thing ffs.

skjdksksmsnd I also didn’t say priest and therapists were the same skdnskksndskjdksk

did I not also say that it was the victims or am I just hallucinating?

You said Dom Perriwinkle, the new NSW premier was evil (or whatever) because he said he didn't support priests having to report people who confessed committing abuse to them. That is all i was typing about. Quite a few of the people involved in what I mentioned are dead now. You could probably thank Carl Williams (or more likely Jason Moran) for kicking all that off. The cop who had Alphonse Gangitano shot anyway.

 

[Val Keating]

You said Dom Perriwinkle, the new NSW premier was evil (or whatever) because he said he didn't support priests having to report people who confessed committing abuse to them. That is all i was typing about. Quite a few of the people involved in what I mentioned are dead now. You could probably thank Carl Williams (or more likely Jason Moran) for kicking all that off. The cop who had Alphonse Gangitano shot anyway.

Didn’t mark or Jason do Alphonse?

 

[Val Keating]

Think everyone had enough of him and he had to go.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Didn’t mark or Jason do Alphonse?

The copper texted Alphonse for a meeting and then he was gunned down by one of the Moran’s on his way out. At least I think that’s how it happened.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

My step father used to drink and fish with Graham Chook Fowler, the corrupt chief of the kings cross police department in the 1990s. Was prominent in one of the underbelly series.

Disgraced ex-cop 'Chook' Fowler dies

A disgraced former New South Wales police officer who was jailed for giving false evidence to the Wood Royal Commission into police corruption has died.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Apparently the new Superman is bisexual and it’s got some conservatives in a tizzy, wait till they find out about the relationship between Batman and Robin “the boy wonder”

Most readers wouldn’t care. The problem is they usually butcher the writing to accomodate the changes and readers/viewers stop watching/reading.

 

[Val Keating]

Most readers wouldn’t care. The problem is they usually butcher the writing to accomodate the changes and readers/viewers stop watching/reading.

To me it just looks like a grab at attention.

My joke about Batman and Robbin is a pretty well worn trope in comedy. More then one comedian has a bit about the absurdity of a grown man taking a boy to live in him in a cave and play dress ups…

 

[Val Keating]

The copper texted Alphonse for a meeting and then he was gunned down by one of the Moran’s on his way out. At least I think that’s how it happened.

The Munster was there too no?

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

The Munster was there too no?

Yes, they found his DNA, but I think he was unaware as he went out for cigs and came back and he just kept quiet.

 

[Val Keating]

Yes, they found his DNA, but I think he was unaware as he went out for cigs and came back and he just kept quiet.

Pretty convenient isn’t it.

 

[ferball]

Didn’t mark or Jason do Alphonse?

That depends on who says what lol. However they were both working with that copper whose name I forget importing precursor chemicals and other things, allegedly.

I dunno if it ever went to air but in the weeks before he was shot Alphonse is sposed to have recorded an interview with four corners that refers to or names the cop (maybe Paul Dale, but I'm not sure if it was him. The Vic drug squad were corrupt as back then. Probably still are.) I remember a mate being up here visiting at the time and saying "That campaigner Alphonse from Carlton got shot. Everything is about to go **** up ballistic." How right he was.

It wasn't really my thing but my friend who was in a situation she wanted to get out of was "working for" pimps in Lygon St who had protection and enforcement supplied by Alphonse and the Morans. This was ... maybe five years before they all started killing each other. I'm glad that's all long gone frankly.

 

[ferball]

Yes, they found his DNA, but I think he was unaware as he went out for cigs and came back and he just kept quiet.

"WEnt out for ciggies". Convenient yeah.

 

[ferball]

Pretty convenient isn’t it.

Snap.