Play Nice Random Chat Thread VI

[Val Keating]

See, I don't agree with this at all. I think anyone who has a public platform, especially one where they act in a capacity that informs people and influences decisions, has a responsibility to not actively spread misinformation or encourage behaviour that might be threatening or dangerous to the listeners or the community. Arguing that he just says sh*t just isn't enough. If you don't want that responsibility then there's plenty of other things you can do.

I also think you hit on something that's maybe a developing area in terms of the ethical responsibility of people like who Joe Rogan and similar people who have massive platforms in podcasts or whatever. WHen they interview people, they are taking on some ethical responsibility to not let dangerous sh*t go unchallenged or to platform people who spread ideas that are dangerous to the community to individuals.

To take it to the absolute extreme example (and I recognise this is a logical fallacy but I think it's somewhat useful in this context) it categorically would not be acceptable for Rogan to have on people who advocate for nonconsensual sexual relationships with minors, it wouldn't be acceptable to platform Islamic jihadists, it wouldn't be acceptable to platform neonazis. He has a responsibility to not spread those dangerous ideas.

You’re taking the show too seriously mate. He had a show with Post Malone where he did mushrooms before it. Most of his shows are just with fellow comedians or fighters just shit talking baked out of their mind. He started the show with no ambition at all and it become the biggest show in the world, why on earth would he change it because it’s popular now?

He has said himself that after having Bernie Sanders on and all of a sudden loads of short grabs of conversations he’s had popped up all over the place to discredit Bernie that it’s hard not to be mindful of the repercussions. The thing is though, the other thing he says which is spot on is, his listeners know him. He puts out 3-4 shows a week, each about 3 hours long just talking shit, over years, hundreds of hours talking not being beholden to anyone. I think one of his first sponsors was the flesh light lol. It doesn’t matter what people that don’t listen to his show say about him because the people that listen actually know what’s right and wrong, or taken out of context.

It’s not a kids show. He’s speaking to adults. Grown adults have to be accountable for their own actions. If grown people can only have shows where their hands are held and make sure they are safe and behave safely then we’re cactus.

 

[ferball]

How do you know it's the same one?

There can be only one!

 

[ferball]

And on that note...

 

[ferball]

 

[AnEmptyChair]

You’re taking the show too seriously mate. He had a show with Post Malone where he did mushrooms before it. Most of his shows are just with fellow comedians or fighters just sh*t talking baked out of their mind. He started the show with no ambition at all and it become the biggest show in the world, why on earth would he change it because it’s popular now?

He has said himself that after having Bernie Sanders on and all of a sudden loads of short grabs of conversations he’s had popped up all over the place to discredit Bernie that it’s hard not to be mindful of the repercussions. The thing is though, the other thing he says which is spot on is, his listeners know him. He puts out 3-4 shows a week, each about 3 hours long just talking sh*t, over years, hundreds of hours talking not being beholden to anyone. I think one of his first sponsors was the flesh light lol. It doesn’t matter what people that don’t listen to his show say about him because the people that listen actually know what’s right and wrong, or taken out of context.

No, that's the thing, I'm not. But there are people who do. He has guests on that inform and influence a lot of people. Like you say, it's one of the most, if not the most, popular podcast in the world. People take it seriously. People make decisions and form worldviews that affect themselves and the people around them based on the content from people who are presented as experts. He absolutely knows this and so has a responsibility to those people.

It’s not a kids show. He’s speaking to adults. Grown adults have to be accountable for their own actions. If grown people can only have shows where their hands are held and make sure they are safe and behave safely then we’re cactus.

I'm not directing this at you as a personal jibe or anything, so please don't take it that way, but that's just not how we're wired. It's the same reason people fall into cults and whatever, because a lot of people are feel safer and comfortable going along with someone they trust, even if they never see them.

Also, just because it's meant for adults, doesn't mean it's only seen by adults. Clips and whole episodes are freely available on streaming services to teens and young adults who are still finding their way in the world and are ripe to be influenced by this type of stuff from, again, someone they see as a trustworthy source. It's the same psychological phenomenon that sees young people get radicalised or see older people go down Faceook rabbit holes full of misinformation. Just as Facebook and other social media organisations have a responsibility to filter that shit and make sure it doesn't damage people, so does Rogan.

It's fine to have a disagreement on this stuff, mate, and I absolutely respect you and your opinion, but this isn't something i think I'll ever be swayed on. People with as big a platform as Rogan have an implicit responsibility to their listeners and people who might be affected by their listeners to prevent inaccurate information being platformed and not let extremely problematic people spout off their opinions unchecked.

Edit: VK, I think you're just approaching this thinking that everyone sees Rogan and his show the same way you do -- as a bit of fun and some lighthearted laughs. And that's absolutely fine that that's what you get out of it. But that's not the case for everyone, especially young impressionable people.

 

[AnEmptyChair]

Hmm some rumours for a few weeks now that the Queen may well be close to the end and now she's pulled out of Remembrance services today with a strained back.

 

[Val Keating]

No, that's the thing, I'm not. But there are people who do. He has guests on that inform and influence a lot of people. Like you say, it's one of the most, if not the most, popular podcast in the world. People take it seriously. People make decisions and form worldviews that affect themselves and the people around them based on the content from people who are presented as experts. He absolutely knows this and so has a responsibility to those people.


I'm not directing this at you as a personal jibe or anything, so please don't take it that way, but that's just not how we're wired. It's the same reason people fall into cults and whatever, because a lot of people are feel safer and comfortable going along with someone they trust, even if they never see them.

Also, just because it's meant for adults, doesn't mean it's only seen by adults. Clips and whole episodes are freely available on streaming services to teens and young adults who are still finding their way in the world and are ripe to be influenced by this type of stuff from, again, someone they see as a trustworthy source. It's the same psychological phenomenon that sees young people get radicalised or see older people go down Faceook rabbit holes full of misinformation. Just as Facebook and other social media organisations have a responsibility to filter that sh*t and make sure it doesn't damage people, so does Rogan.

It's fine to have a disagreement on this stuff, mate, and I absolutely respect you and your opinion, but this isn't something i think I'll ever be swayed on. People with as big a platform as Rogan have an implicit responsibility to their listeners and people who might be affected by their listeners to prevent inaccurate information being platformed and not let extremely problematic people spout off their opinions unchecked.

Edit: VK, I think you're just approaching this thinking that everyone sees Rogan and his show the same way you do -- as a bit of fun and some lighthearted laughs. And that's absolutely fine that that's what you get out of it. But that's not the case for everyone, especially young impressionable people.

You’re right. We’re never going to agree on this. I’m certainly not going to hold a podcaster to a higher standard then news organisations.

 

[AnEmptyChair]

You’re right. We’re never going to agree on this. I’m certainly not going to hold a podcaster to a higher standard then news organisations.

Oh, i wouldn't expect you to. The same standards though...

Anyway, happy to leave it there, mate.

 

[koshari]

Hmm some rumours for a few weeks now that the Queen may well be close to the end and now she's pulled out of Remembrance services today with a strained back.

poor woman is no spring chicken anymore, and her family are hardly helping her cause,

 

[ferball]

Oh, i wouldn't expect you to. The same standards though...

Anyway, happy to leave it there, mate.

Why should he be held to those standards?

 

[AnEmptyChair]

Why should he be held to those standards?

Pretty much explained why I think he has that responsibility in my previous posts to VK.

 

[ferball]

Pretty much explained why I think he has that responsibility in my previous posts to VK.

Okay...

Did Putin help Trump steal the 2016 election?

 

[AnEmptyChair]

Okay...

Did Putin help Trump steal the 2016 election?

wot? that's a non-sequiter if I've ever seen one

 

[ferball]

wot? that's a non-sequiter if I've ever seen one

Its not but you'll have to play along.

 

[see see]

On this day in 1980, KISS played at VFL Park as part of their Unmasked tour. My two older sisters were in attendance. I wasn't allowed to go because my parents thought I was too young.

I am still bitter about this.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

On this day in 1980, KISS played at VFL Park as part of their Unmasked tour. My two older sisters were in attendance. I wasn't allowed to go because my parents thought I was too young.

I am still bitter about this.

Did you ever collect KISS swap cards?

 

[Val Keating]

Ligma check this out. What a bad ass.

Wearing a military beret and a Polish wartime resistance armband, 94-year-old Wanda Traczyk-Stawska stunned the crowd at a pro-EU rally when she thundered "Be quiet, stupid boy! You lousy bastard" at a member of a far-right group attempting to disrupt the gathering over a loudspeaker.

Still fighting: WWII Warsaw Uprising veteran defends EU

Wearing a military beret and a Polish wartime resistance armband, 94-year-old Wanda Traczyk-Stawska stunned the crowd at a pro-EU rally when she thundered "Be quiet, stupid boy! You lousy bastard" at a member of a far-right group attempting to disrupt the gathering over a loudspeaker.

news.yahoo.com

 

[Ligma]

Ligma check this out. What a bad ass.

Wearing a military beret and a Polish wartime resistance armband, 94-year-old Wanda Traczyk-Stawska stunned the crowd at a pro-EU rally when she thundered "Be quiet, stupid boy! You lousy bastard" at a member of a far-right group attempting to disrupt the gathering over a loudspeaker.

Still fighting: WWII Warsaw Uprising veteran defends EU

Wearing a military beret and a Polish wartime resistance armband, 94-year-old Wanda Traczyk-Stawska stunned the crowd at a pro-EU rally when she thundered "Be quiet, stupid boy! You lousy bastard" at a member of a far-right group attempting to disrupt the gathering over a loudspeaker.

news.yahoo.com

I LOVE THIS, you can hear this sentence in her accent lol

 

[Val Keating]

I LOVE THIS, you can hear this sentence in her accent lol

Did you read the whole article? Absolute legend. Tough as nails warrior.

 

[Ligma]

Did you read the whole article? Absolute legend. Tough as nails warrior.

Yes I did! Doughnut

 

[see see]

Did you ever collect KISS swap cards?

I reckon I had a few.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

I reckon I had a few.

Yeah, I remember going for a holiday at my cousins place in Melbourne and coming back with all of their doubles.

 

[Twinkletoes]

On this day in 1980, KISS played at VFL Park as part of their Unmasked tour. My two older sisters were in attendance. I wasn't allowed to go because my parents thought I was too young.

I am still bitter about this.

More memorable for throwing Prima orange juice packs at all in Sunbury.

 

[ferball]

More memorable for throwing Prima orange juice packs at all in Sunbury.

Were they (KISS) no good?

 

[ferball]

Siunce you didn't answer the question i'm gonna

No, that's the thing, I'm not. But there are people who do. He has guests on that inform and influence a lot of people. Like you say, it's one of the most, if not the most, popular podcast in the world. People take it seriously. People make decisions and form worldviews that affect themselves and the people around them based on the content from people who are presented as experts. He absolutely knows this and so has a responsibility to those people.

One side of the mainstream media did this with Russiagate, which we now know was a lie (it turns out Trump was right to call it "fake news" - it literally was,) and which has resulted in legal action against the people responsible. (Trump may be owned by some Russian, but they are the mobsters who financed and bailed out his businesses in the US and those people have been aligned with Us intelligence services since the 90s. He certainly wasn't working for or put into power by Putin.)

The other side of the MSM has been denying the reality of climate change for decades. And yes the MSM is partisan.

We've never seen society as divided as it is now and much of that is the MSM refusing to recognise Trump was elected in a legitimate election win. its no different to his "stop the steal" bullshit only they did it first.

Also, just because it's meant for adults, doesn't mean it's only seen by adults. Clips and whole episodes are freely available on streaming services to teens and young adults who are still finding their way in the world and are ripe to be influenced by this type of stuff from, again, someone they see as a trustworthy source. It's the same psychological phenomenon that sees young people get radicalised or see older people go down Faceook rabbit holes full of misinformation. Just as Facebook and other social media organisations have a responsibility to filter that sh*t and make sure it doesn't damage people, so does Rogan.

Facebook's entire business model is built around damaging people in that manner.

People with as big a platform as Rogan have an implicit responsibility to their listeners and people who might be affected by their listeners to prevent inaccurate information being platformed and not let extremely problematic people spout off their opinions unchecked.

Why should Rogan be held to that standard when the MSM doesn't hold itself to that standard? Rogan doesn't claim to be an accurate source of news or gatekeep what is and isn't acceptable discourse. He just talks with a huge bunch of people, many of whom contradict each other.

What inaccurate information has Rogan promoted (i honestly dunno, I've probably listened to less than an hour of his stuff in my life) and how is it worse than the MSM examples I cited from the US?