Play Nice Random Chat Thread VI

[DesertRoo]

Is Milligan running the story - she doesn't miss, so will be interesting to see what happens there.

She’ll probably have a lot of opportunity to take out of context discussions with Morrison, Trump and co and turn it into a killer..

Qanon is terrible starting point for any political discussion.

 

[B4Bear]

And this is why the story should never exist.. you’ve linked A) and B) to get C)

Qanon has turned into a catch all clause for I don’t like what you’re saying so I’m going to tar you as cray cray..

You may be correct. However, I will point out that the link between 'the right', QAnon and the religious fundamentalist Christians is well known.

 

[Del191229]

A story on how much the church has a sway with the libs would be a great story.. especially after the whole Victorian liberals brunch stacking..

I suspect you’re right by about Morrison thou, he is using his faith to climb the greasy pole. Be interesting to see how prominent he becomes in the church when he’s out of the public eye..

Pentecostalism is a great off the shelf morality system.

Basically, you can be a sneaky duplicitous power and money hungry scumbag 6 and a half days a week and then on Sunday morning go and ostentatiously wave your arms around and wail about Jebus and convince yourself (and lots of suckers watching) that you're actually a Good Christian.

It is perfect late capitalist religion.

Very different from anything Jebus would have recognised, let alone the slave religion that was early Christianisty.

 

[AnEmptyChair]

Yeah, the ALP have been dreadful and reactionary and completely lacking in compassion on asylum seeker policy for ages now, but this situation is almost entirely of the LNP's and Dutton's making. Children are in detention and now in hospital with a blood infection because of political posturing from this abhorrent government and its morally bereft ministers.

 

[DesertRoo]

You may be correct. However, I will point out that the link between 'the right', QAnon and the religious fundamentalist Christians is well known.

This is the same argument as there’s links between jihad and Islamic fundamentalism , so everyone has to apologise…

 

[Del191229]

Kevin Rudd has not been PM for eight years.

It was Rudd that brought in the rules that meant she ended up there.

This is a simple fact.

Dutton and Morrison are heartless scumbags that have exploited them and they treat people like crap, but it was Rudd that established the framework that means that littkle girl is where she is.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd says asylum seekers who arrive by boat will have no chance of being settled in Australia as refugees.

"I understand this is a very hard-line decision. I understand the different groups in Australia and around the world will see this decision in different ways," he said.

"But our responsibility as a government is to ensure we have a robust system of border security and orderly migration on the one hand, as well as fulfilling our legal and compassionate obligations under the Refugees' Convention on the other."

Australia shuts door on asylum seekers

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd says asylum seekers who arrive by boat will have no chance of being settled in Australia as refugees. Mr Rudd has confirmed a deal that will see asylum seekers sent to Papua New Guinea for assessment, and if they are found to be refugees, they will be resettled there...

www.abc.net.au

 

[B4Bear]

It was Rudd that brought in the rules that meant she ended up there.

This is a simple fact.

Dutton and Morrison are heartless scumbags that have exploited them and they treat people like crap, but it was Rudd that established the framework that means that littkle girl is where she is.

Australia shuts door on asylum seekers

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd says asylum seekers who arrive by boat will have no chance of being settled in Australia as refugees. Mr Rudd has confirmed a deal that will see asylum seekers sent to Papua New Guinea for assessment, and if they are found to be refugees, they will be resettled there...

www.abc.net.au

This mob could have changed it any time they wanted.

 

[Del191229]

Yeah, the ALP have been dreadful and reactionary and completely lacking in compassion on asylum seeker policy for ages now, but this situation is almost entirely of the LNP's and Dutton's making. Children are in detention and now in hospital with a blood infection because of political posturing from this abhorrent government and its morally bereft ministers.

If you think an ALP government would be behaving any differentley you are kidding yourself.

 

[Del191229]

This mob could have changed it any time they wanted.

Come now.

The fact is Kevin Rudd brought in the rules that mean that family are where they are.

 

[B4Bear]

Come now.

The fact is Kevin Rudd brought in the rules that mean that family are where they are.

That is an awfully long bow to blame a rule that was enacted over a decade ago.

The fact remains that it is the decision of a minister, it is not a legislated outcome. The 'rule' is being enforced by this government, not the person who first enacted it.

This 'Rudd did it first' simply doesn't wash after over ten years and multiple governments.

 

[AnEmptyChair]

If you think an ALP government would be behaving any differentley you are kidding yourself.

Never said that. But this happened under this government. Just because the alternative isn't any better doesn't abdicate the current government of responsibility for this horrific situation that should be unconscionable for anyone who approaches life with anything like compassion or empathy.

EDIT: It happened under this government at the discretion of one of its most senior members and purely as political posturing. These are ****ing children that we're putting in indefinite detention. It's indefensible.

 

[DesertRoo]

This mob could have changed it any time they wanted.

 

[Tectonic]

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No hoverhand, based

 

[rickety]

Redirect Notice

The Russians don’t rate the technology.

Something something, the sepo's spent millions making a pen that works upside down, the ruskies use a pencil

 

[ferball]

This whole QAnon Morrison story is a good example.

So Scott Morrison's wife's best friend's husband was big into QAnon.

Does anyone seriously believe that somehow means Morrison is too?

I mean, there's enough to worry about with him - a painting of an eagle spoke to him and told him that God still had his back - without inventing wacky new sh*t.

Man. You're really not actually doing your argument much good saying that.

 

[Del191229]

That is an awfully long bow to blame a rule that was enacted over a decade ago.

No.

It was Rudd who fundamentally changed thing when he brought in the rule that nobody arriving by boat would be allowed to settle in Australia.

Yes, a cavalcade of Coalition ministers could have used, could still use, Ministerial discretion to let this family stay.

But it was the ALP that created the situation that had led directly to them being where they are now.

This isn't opinion, or long bows, or anything else, it is simple fact.

I covered that decision and it was shocking and disgusting at the time, and we see why years later.

 

[ferball]

And this is why the story should never exist.. you’ve linked A) and B) to get C)

Qanon has turned into a catch all clause for I don’t like what you’re saying so I’m going to tar you as cray cray..

Qanon is basically "Epstein only worked for the democrats" with alien lizards isn't it?

 

[B4Bear]

No.

It was Rudd who fundamentally changed thing when he brought in the rule that nobody arriving by boat would be allowed to settle in Australia.

Yes, a cavalcade of Coalition ministers could have used, could still use, Ministerial discretion to let this family stay.

But it was the ALP that created the situation that had led directly to them being where they are now.

This isn't opinion, or long bows, or anything else, it is simple fact.

I covered that decision and it was shocking and disgusting at the time, and we see why years later.

It was the inevitable codified response to the Tampa treatment by Howard; a race to the bottom.

 

[DesertRoo]

No.

It was Rudd who fundamentally changed thing when he brought in the rule that nobody arriving by boat would be allowed to settle in Australia.

Yes, a cavalcade of Coalition ministers could have used, could still use, Ministerial discretion to let this family stay.

But it was the ALP that created the situation that had led directly to them being where they are now.

This isn't opinion, or long bows, or anything else, it is simple fact.

I covered that decision and it was shocking and disgusting at the time, and we see why years later.

Strange that boarder security isn’t seen as a partisan issue..

 

[DesertRoo]

Qanon is basically "Epstein only worked for the democrats" with alien lizards isn't it?

Epstein out of a franchised pizza shop..

 

[Del191229]

Never said that. But this happened under this government. Just because the alternative isn't any better doesn't abdicate the current government of responsibility for this horrific situation that should be unconscionable for anyone who approaches life with anything like compassion or empathy.

EDIT: It happened under this government at the discretion of one of its most senior members and purely as political posturing. These are ******* children that we're putting in indefinite detention. It's indefensible.

The father Nades arrived by boat under the Gillard government in 2012. And Priya a year later.

Let's be very clear. His claimed to being forced into the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam is entirely plausible. He and his family are at huge risk of persecution.

They should be allowed to stay. They are victims of political posturing as you say. Dutton chose them as the sacrificial victims to make sure the world understands we mean what we say. The cruelty inflicted on those children is the point in of itself. It is truly disgusting, a crime against humantity.

Snake_Baker often says there's no difference between the two big parties and anyone who thinks otherwise is a deluded fool etc.

On Australia's asylum policies, he's right. Dutton is no more morally culpable than Rudd.

Indeed, Rudd is WORSE because he also did exactly what Dutton/Morrison are doing - he screwed people's lives for political gain. Remember he did it just before the 2013 election, after he'd seized the leadership back.

It was an awful, cynical and unforgiveable act then. Yes the current family are photogenic and every gets the feelz for a little girl in distress - see Bana Alabed of Aleppo fame - but what about the thousands of people you never saw who had their lives ruined by Rudd's poisonous electioneering?

Nah, Rudd doesn't get to slink away for a second. He's every bit as responsible for what is happening to that little girl as Morrison, Dutton and now shamefully Karen Andrews.

 

[Del191229]

It was the inevitable codified response to the Tampa treatment by Howard; a race to the bottom.

Naaah, it was Saint Paul Keating that began the detention of asylum seekers who arrived by boat.

 

[Mr_Nyah]

Strange that boarder security isn’t seen as a partisan issue..

It is for people not invested in one side or the other.

 

[DesertRoo]

It is for people not invested in one side or the other.

It’s disgusting the stance weve taken in Australia, what’s worse is politicians who give the issue lip service, or try to turn it into a partisan issue, knowing nothing will change..

 

[Mr_Nyah]

It’s disgusting the stance weve taken in Australia, what’s worse is politicians who give the issue lip, knowing nothing will change..

It’s always easier to keep something bad as the status quo than it is to introduce something bad. It’s very easy for both parties to now just say “it exists, we’ll leave it as is”. Sorry state of affairs.