Play Nice Random Chat Thread VI

[KiwiRoo]

Sure mate, agree.
Lots of non-tertiary educated people earn bucket loads more then their counterparts.
It's an urban myth that politics in Australia is a two party system that reflects representation of white v blue collar.

Australia is pretty much all middle class (varying degrees) within the bell curve.
Yes you have ultra wealthy and those in poverty on either side of the bell curve.

The modern reference to working class is more about the values of Australians that have worked hard in pursuit of their life goals and aspirations.

Who don't buy the trash that is dominating modern cultural discourse rammed down our throats.
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yeah a lot of woke stuff is a bit silly, but a lot of it is real progress too

 

[ferball]

How did you get racist from that?


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Are you really that stupid?

 

[Swallow_Wood]

On this whole 'woke' business.....

I hate to 'back in my day' this but I came to Aus as a kid and lived in a heavily migrant area, went to a heavily multi-cultural school and have attitudes towards race, gender, sexism, societal structures and governmental responsibility to its people that would be called liberal, or probably more accurately social democratic to not quite Soviet level socialist. Most of these line up with what one would call 'woke' these days. To me its just being a decent human being who respects others, understands that we don't live on a level playing field and that your cultural, ethnic and economic background can have generational impacts both internally and externally.

I see 'wokeism' as a generational ownership of a similar view point, but this is being run through a prism of identity attached to social media, where being seen as 'woke' is just as if not more important than being 'woke'. It reminds me of an interview I once saw on SBS where one of their young reporters was interviewing an old activist who had slightly different views on certain points and the reporter tried to emphasise how his generation was more culturally aware and in tune with diversity than any generation in history because well internet, to which this activist laughed, pointing out that most youth use the internet as a source of ego engagement rather than activism and that cultural awareness and a desire for equality has been around a lot longer than the internet.

I think it is this identity attachment that is the real issue with the 'woke' movement, making it easier for those who see themselves as 'woke' to lose sight of what it is they are purporting to support as they gaze into the online mirror of social media, and easier for others to lambast them for their duality and others to push anti-progressive agendas.

Ultimately though I see 'wokeism' as a majority online phenonmenon, with 'woke' activities that happen IRL being pretty much the same as what has been going on since the cultural revolution in the 60's and 70's. Same with most of what the same ol's on here rail about when they don't like what they see on facebook and Sky News. They have no real understanding of the real world out there anymore but get worked up anyway.

 

[ferball]

On this whole 'woke' business.....

I hate to 'back in my day' this but I came to Aus as a kid and lived in a heavily migrant area, went to a heavily multi-cultural school and have attitudes towards race, gender, sexism, societal structures and governmental responsibility to its people that would be called liberal, or probably more accurately social democratic to not quite Soviet level socialist. Most of these line up with what one would call 'woke' these days. To me its just being a decent human being who respects others, understands that we don't live on a level playing field and that your cultural, ethnic and economic background can have generational impacts both internally and externally.

I see 'wokeism' as a generational ownership of a similar view point, but this is being run through a prism of identity attached to social media, where being seen as 'woke' is just as if not more important than being 'woke'. It reminds me of an interview I once saw on SBS where one of their young reporters was interviewing an old activist who had slightly different views on certain points and the reporter tried to emphasise how his generation was more culturally aware and in tune with diversity than any generation in history because well internet, to which this activist laughed, pointing out that most youth use the internet as a source of ego engagement rather than activism and that cultural awareness and a desire for equality has been around a lot longer than the internet.

I think it is this identity attachment that is the real issue with the 'woke' movement, making it easier for those who see themselves as 'woke' to lose sight of what it is they are purporting to support as they gaze into the online mirror of social media, and easier for others to lambast them for their duality and others to push anti-progressive agendas.

Ultimately though I see 'wokeism' as a majority online phenonmenon, with 'woke' activities that happen IRL being pretty much the same as what has been going on since the cultural revolution in the 60's and 70's. Same with most of what the same ol's on here rail about when they don't like what they see on facebook and Sky News. They have no real understanding of the real world out there anymore but get worked up anyway.

That isn't what it means.

 

[Swallow_Wood]

That isn't what it means.

Pls enlighten me.

 

[Del191229]

I'd kind of like to know what "the true working class" is but I have a fair idea of who it includes and doesn't

Does it it include my Mum who was the eldest girl of 11 kids, spent her entire childhood as a domestic slave, was told she had to leave school at 14 to earn money for the family unless she got scholarships to stay in school, so she worked even harder and got those scholarships all the way through to uni - whereupon she had to leave in first year because my Nanna (daughter of Yarraville railway workers) almost died giving birth to last kid.

Does that "work" count?

But oh no, she went to uni so somehow she's magically not in it.

Does it include the Viet families in the Flem flats that worked their guts out and pooled all their moiney so they could send their kids to private schools knowing that is the best way to develop nbetworks in a bourgeois city like Melbourne?

Somehow I doubt it.

 

[Del191229]

"Woke" is just a handy catch all term to describe any thing that vulnerable and scared white people can use to smear stuff they don't like.

 

[Royal Flush]

Are you really that stupid?

You're the one making the claim.
Explain how this is racist?
Without the savage name calling campaigner


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[ferball]

Pls enlighten me.

If you are woke you are a poor black person in the US who understands the structural oppression you will be/have been dealing with for your whole life.

Everything else is white people talking shit.

 

[Themanbun]

I'd kind of like to know what "the true working class" is but I have a fair idea of who it includes and doesn't

Does it it include my Mum who was the eldest girl of 11 kids, spent her entire childhood as a domestic slave, was told she had to leave school at 14 to earn money for the family unless she got scholarships to stay in school, so she worked even harder and got those scholarships all the way through to uni - whereupon she had to leave in first year because my Nanna (daughter of Yarraville railway workers) almost died giving birth to last kid.

Does that "work" count?

But oh no, she went to uni so somehow she's magically not in it.

Does it include the Viet families in the Flem flats that worked their guts out and pooled all their moiney so they could send their kids to private schools knowing that is the best way to develop nbetworks in a bourgeois city like Melbourne?

Somehow I doubt it.

Western world has a very strange conception of 'working class' I have noticed, and it is almost entirely cultural and divorced from what it should be, which is one's economic relationship to the means of production.

 

[Royal Flush]

If you are woke you are a poor black person in the US who understands the structural oppression you will be/have been dealing with for your whole life.

Everything else is white people talking sh*t.

So this is a skin colour thing.
I see you learn something everyday.


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[Swallow_Wood]

If you are woke you are a poor black person in the US who understands the structural oppression you will be/have been dealing with for your whole life.

Ok, cool.

So those non-African Americans who have co-opted it should just stf up then. Which makes their use of the term woke even more navel gazing.

Everything else is white people talking sh*t.

By the definition you use all non-African Americans who use it should stop talking shit too.

 

[DesertRoo]

I'd kind of like to know what "the true working class" is but I have a fair idea of who it includes and doesn't

Does it it include my Mum who was the eldest girl of 11 kids, spent her entire childhood as a domestic slave, was told she had to leave school at 14 to earn money for the family unless she got scholarships to stay in school, so she worked even harder and got those scholarships all the way through to uni - whereupon she had to leave in first year because my Nanna (daughter of Yarraville railway workers) almost died giving birth to last kid.

Does that "work" count?

But oh no, she went to uni so somehow she's magically not in it.

Does it include the Viet families in the Flem flats that worked their guts out and pooled all their moiney so they could send their kids to private schools knowing that is the best way to develop nbetworks in a bourgeois city like Melbourne?

Somehow I doubt it.

it’s Australia, every family I know has a rags to riches tail.. you just have to go back a generation or two to tell it..

We should go back to a education based on merit, drop da fees for kids who can get into higher education.. but make it harder to get in..
Successive governments turned it into a money making scheme for overseas students rather then an investment in da future..

 

[Del191229]

Western world has a very strange conception of 'working class' I have noticed, and it is almost entirely cultural and divorced from what it should be, which is one's economic relationship to the means of production.

Exactly, and the right wing have seized on that via culture wars to convince people to vote against their own economic interests.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Sure mate, agree.
Lots of non-tertiary educated people earn bucket loads more then their counterparts.

Yes, and how many of them a surviving by non tax payer funded means?

Wokeism is the bludging class that exists on a bureaucracy created for boogie men that largely don't exist.

The only way they have survived this long is by infiltrating and taking over the ALP.

It's an urban myth that politics in Australia is a two party system that reflects representation of white v blue collar.

Australia is pretty much all middle class (varying degrees) within the bell curve.
Yes you have ultra wealthy and those in poverty on either side of the bell curve.

Left: Poor
Centre left: Working class (held back by the contemporary left)
Centre: Bureaucracy (contemporary left)
Centre right: Productive middle class (aspiring upper class)
Right: Wealthy

The modern reference to working class is more about the values of Australians that have worked hard in pursuit of their life goals and aspirations.

Who don't buy the trash that is dominating modern cultural discourse rammed down our throats.
IE snakes post

It only requires basic intelligence to understand that it's a racket and that the real victims are the workers and the poor, because their political representation has been commandeered by parasites with no real interest in their issues.

 

[Del191229]

In the North board BigFooty context, using the word "woke" in your posts is a signifier that you are completely wrong about whatever is in that post.

Like, the exact opposite will happen.

EG - this player has had his mind poisoned by the "woke" element that has latched onto the club = player has breakout season.

 

[ferball]

 

[Snake_Baker]

How did you get racist from that?

He sees racism in his breakfast cereal.

 

[AnEmptyChair]

Ok, cool.

So those non-African Americans who have co-opted it should just stf up then.

By this, I assume you mean people like Royal Flush, Snake, and the dime a dozen conservative commentators who use it as the battle cry in their culture war?

 

[ferball]

So this is a skin colour thing.
I see you learn something everyday.


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Yes it ****en well is and its pretty obvious from your complete ignorance of that, and everything it entails, what your skin colour is.

 

[Snake_Baker]

yeah a lot of woke stuff is a bit silly, but a lot of it is real progress too

Was progress mate, WAS.

Wokeism, by definition, is the misrepresentation and magnification of past social causes that have already been largely addressed.

 

[Snake_Baker]

it’s Australia, every family I know has a rags to riches tail.. you just have to go back a generation or two to tell it..

A meritocracy?

How do you shoehorn victims in to that?!

We should go back to a education based on merit, drop da fees for kids who can get into higher education.. but make it harder to get in..
Successive governments turned it into a money making scheme for overseas students rather then an investment in da future..

Actually, this is probably Scott Morrison's best policy...........but it's not good news for wokeism.

 

[ferball]

Ok, cool.

So those non-African Americans who have co-opted it should just stf up then. Which makes their use of the term woke even more navel gazing.

By the definition you use all non-African Americans who use it should stop talking sh*t too.

Pretty much.

Even a black person in Australia doesn't have the visceral experience of living in a society that basically hunts your young men to be slaves or killed to fund their "black" intelligence operations.

It might make sense on a semantic level. I do get it, but I've never lived it.

I don't go round calling myself woke tho.

 

[DesertRoo]

Exactly, and the right wing have seized on that via culture wars to convince people to vote against their own economic interests.

In America, both parties work in unison, if you haven’t worked it out their government is literally a mafia, they take tax and spend it on OS wars, charities and ngo’s which directly benefit said politicians.

Sad thing is we’re adopting the same model here.. both parties have lapped it up. There’s no meaningful opposition.

 

[ferball]

Was progress mate, WAS.

Wokeism, by definition, is the misrepresentation and magnification of past social causes that have already been largely addressed.

This is white supremicist propaganda.

I dunno if the campaigner spouting it actually believes or is just a useful idiot.

Doesn't change the fact it is still a campaigner spouting white supremicist propaganda.