Play Nice Random Chat Thread VI

[DesertRoo]

Yep, capitalism eating away its own foundations.

Capitalism is a just theory.. greedy man is the root cause of all of it..

At some point the fingers should be correctly pointed at individuals. Imagine how quickly tax fraud etc would change if white collar crime was seen in more negative light. longer harsher sentences with the rigmarole of the press blaming these individuals for not adequately funding society.

makes you wonder what legacy people would want to leave behind..

 

[jschwag39]

All the systems should work together, as a society we need balance.. I’m all for free health and education.
I’m even for utilities to become state owned again..
but people also need personal freedom to do what they want. At some point we need to put on the big boy pants too.

Social Democracies are the way to go, but every system has its risks.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

??
the defunding happened around George Floyd riots, not covid, trump received every police union support because Harris/Biden supported the policy at the time..
It was almost like ngos and policy makers used the unrest to create a larger problem.. when covid hit.

Black is the new orange isn’t just a comedy show.

You do know that Covid was occurring at the exact same time right, occurred a bit before tbh, but the restrictions only started to financially hit by the June/July period. These were cities, like New York, that were already having economic issues. Other cities promised to discuss/debate it, but most just maintained or increased funding.

We only just had this discussion about brand projection a few months ago and that's exactly what it was.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Capitalism is a just theory.. greedy man is the root cause of all of it..

At some point the fingers should be correctly pointed at individuals. Imagine how quickly tax fraud etc would change if white collar crime was seen in more negative light. longer harsher sentences with the rigmarole of the press blaming these individuals for not adequately funding society.

makes you wonder what legacy people would want to leave behind..

You find greedy men in any system, but I rather not have to repeat my corruption debate with manbun again.

 

[DesertRoo]

You do know that Covid was occurring at the exact same time right, occurred a bit before tbh, but the restrictions only started to financially hit by the June/July period. These were cities, like New York, that were already having economic issues. Other cities promised to discuss/debate it, but most just maintained or increased funding.

We only just had this discussion about brand projection a few months ago and that's exactly what it was.

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Absolutely…
Biden/Harris we’re never serious about defunding police and I don’t believe any of the mayors were either..
I believe it was seen as a necessary evil.. to cause panic and unrest that could squarely be blamed at the previous administrations feet.

Ffs Harris started a fund bailing out violent protesters. When she was one of the most vile prosecutors going around.. the whole thing was political, now they’re back to militarising the po po..

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Got relatives who lived that reality and spent several years after 1945 in a Soviet camp.

Also got many a relative in my family tree who perished at the hands of the Cromwell and the famine in Ireland during western Europe's industrialisation.

So let's just say agree to disagree on that particular point and perhaps you can consider the rest of my post without jumping straight to the worst atrocity you can think of across dozens of countries and decades of history?

I'm not saying it is or was all roses for these people mate. Some awful sh*t happened and is unforgiveable. I have noticed however that you have a tendency to fixate on the worst parts of socialist regimes while somewhat disregarding similar atrocities that happened under capitalist systems the world over. Which is okay - it's your prerogative either way. As I've said before history books, especially in this part of the world, are always going to place a heavy emphasis on the foreign atrocity rather than the normal lives that most people lived. And, IMO for the average, non-political person, life was much better in that part of the world post WW2 than it was under the preceding regime(s) (where being political could also have got you killed).*

But, on a continuum of possible ruling arrangements for this type of economic system, much like our own economic system, there is a continuum that probably begins with blokes like Stalin on one end and complete absence of government on the other. While relevant, there's no need to fixate on either example when there's a bunch in between we can look to.

*Please in no way take this as apologetics

I feel that it is slightly apologetic, but this is probably me splitting hairs over a fairly general and well-intentioned post. Unchecked laisse-faire economics played an exacerbating role with the Irish famine, but, as you know, the potato blight fungi and single crop dependence is what caused the most damage by far. Cromwell was 200 years earlier and he displayed far more genocidal intent in my opinion.

What needs to be discerned in the capitalism v state-planned socialist economic system debates is what is a government/geostrategic decision and what is a discernable economic policy action/ramification. Take for example the post-war shifting of the Polish border and expulsion (flight) of ethnic Germans from eastern Europe, which shares deep similarities with other border realignments with Versailles under the Western Powers. Those were principally political and strategic decisions that are not unique to a particular system, whether it be socialist, democratic, fascist or whatever the hell Austro-Hungary was (seriously, what a weird state).

The deaths attributed to capitalism are mostly linked to poor industrial safety, exploitation of indigenous people's (late 1700s through to early 1900s mainly), exploitation of foreign workers/recent migrants, wartime conditions (Bengal Famine), political/geostrategic decisions made by capitalist governments and the debatable 100 million tuberculous deaths attributed to industrialization and urbanisation.

Socialism has featured similar problems with greed, corruption, safety, exploiting certain ethnicities (Soviet Union in particular), wartime conditions, political decisions and even sickness.

At the end of the day, like genocide, mass death caused by a particular policy comes down to intent, the scale of intent (individuals, groups or governments) and methods used. Kulakisation and the Holdomor versus the Bengal and Irish famines. Various different methods and levels of attributable intent there. Were the actions necessary components of their respective economic systems, or political actions with economic methods and tools. It is complicated and needs to be judged based on the unique historical conditions, circumstances and stages of development.

The only discernable common thread is the breaking down of the agrarian dominated society with both systems. Capitalism mostly offered jobs/wages/incentives to promote urbanisation, whilst still maintaining land ownership. While in the Soviet Union and China, it was seemingly a lot more forced, resulted in specific economic-political groups being created (Kulaks, or anonymous intellectuals in Cambodia) that needed to be removed and was a bit different with de-kulakisation, red-guards, deportations, reduction of certain freedoms, re-education, collectivization, property ownership changes, etc.

Best of both worlds is not such a bad idea, even if most of my conservative colleagues disagree with me about social welfare.

 

[DesertRoo]

Income based fines, something we should look at here??

Finland: Speeding millionaire gets 54,000-euro fine

Millionaire fined 54,000 euros under Finland's earnings-linked speeding penalty system.

www.bbc.com

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Income based fines, something we should look at here??

Finland: Speeding millionaire gets 54,000-euro fine

Millionaire fined 54,000 euros under Finland's earnings-linked speeding penalty system.

www.bbc.com

Depends, if the bloke is a complete w***er, then sure...

 

[DesertRoo]

Depends, if the bloke is a complete w***er, then sure...

Any system where it’s cheaper for Bezos to put out an ad complaining in every major newspaper then pay a parking ticket is fine by me..

 

[Themanbun]

You find greedy men in any system, but I rather not have to repeat my corruption debate with manbun again.

That's THE man bun to you m8

 

[B4Bear]

We reported yesterday that former Wallabies star Quade Cooper had a bid for Australian citizenship rejected, despite playing more than 70 tests for Australia.

Cooper was born in New Zealand but came to Australia when he was just 13. He’s since played for the country at two world cups and won a Super Rugby championship with the Queensland Reds.

Still, it was apparently not enough for the home affairs department to confer him citizenship.

Quade Cooper(@QuadeCooper)
Awkward moment @ausgov refuse your citizenship applications (again) wearing the green and gold 70 times apparently is not enough these days..
Cheers Shannon pic.twitter.com/jMSa1moWsA
July 13, 2021

Farcical stuff.

Now home affairs minister Karen Andrews has stuck to the hard-line. She told Brisbane radio that the decision to give someone citizenship was not done “lightly”.

Andrews:

Absolutely no question he’s [Cooper] been a fantastic athlete, an inspiration to so many Australians ... but conferring citizenship on someone is not a decision the government ever takes lightly.
We need to make sure that they are going through the right processes, there’s certainly opportunity for individuals if they have a case for review they can go through that process.
We do ask people to provide all the information that is asked of them so that we have an opportunity to assess their application properly.

(1) Australia Covid live update: NSW to extend Sydney lockdown; Victoria reports one local coronavirus case | Australia news | The Guardian

 

[Caracas]

Social Democracies are the way to go, but every system has its risks.

I tend towards the social democratic side of things as well. However, unfortunately, they inevitably suffer from “soft underbelly” syndrome. It’s always only a matter of time before some hardline populist slits it open.


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[Liam Boy]

I tend towards the social democratic side of things as well. However, unfortunately, they inevitably suffer from “soft underbelly” syndrome. It’s always only a matter of time before some hardline populist slits it open.


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capitalism is an unrestrainable beast. there's no amount of social democracy that can live alongside it. it's like just trying to cope with having a golf-ball sized tumour because you're pretty sure it's benign.

 

[Ligma]

Last min tips for a job interview? I’m gonna fake it till I make it but just need some things to think about


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[DesertRoo]

Respect!!!

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Last min tips for a job interview? I’m gonna fake it till I make it but just need some things to think about


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This the BCF interview?

 

[Swallow_Wood]

Last min tips for a job interview? I’m gonna fake it till I make it but just need some things to think about


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Be yourself.

A job interview is a two way discussion and as much an opportunity for you to get a feel for them as it is for them to learn about you.

Emphasise your dedication to your sport and relate that to how you can be relied upon to work, be reliable and follow instruction. If a service oriented role have examples ready of how your engage with people and how you have dealt with difficult people in the past.

Most of all have faith in yourself and be you.

Unless you are naturally annoying and rude. Then be someone else.

 

[Ligma]

This the BCF interview?

Yes sirrr we had to move it from last week because he wasn’t going to be in store.


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[Ligma]

Be yourself.

A job interview is a two way discussion and as much an opportunity for you to get a feel for them as it is for them to learn about you.

Emphasise your dedication to your sport and relate that to how you can be relied upon to work, be reliable and follow instruction. If a service oriented role have examples ready of how your engage with people and how you have dealt with difficult people in the past.

Most of all have faith in yourself and be you.

Unless you are naturally annoying and rude. Then be someone else. [emoji6]

Thanks

Some people cough Hojuman cough may say I’m annoying LOL


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[Kangaroos4eva]

Yes sirrr we had to move it from last week because he wasn’t going to be in store.


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I assume a bit of a general sales and store role?

On top of Swallow's comments:

Make it a point of really highlighting your retail and sales skills (and experience?). Have a think now on exactly why you want the job and what you think your strengths are. Just a few strong points will do.

As I said earlier, they obviously liked something on your CV.

 

[Ligma]

I assume a bit of a general sales and store role?

Make it a point of really highlighting your retail and sales skills (and experience?). Have a think now on exactly why you want the job and what you think your strengths are. Just a few strong points will do.

Casual team member but I have no experience whatsoever in retail. I was a referee for 3 years then had a little experience at a burger place.

This is where fake it till you make it comes in


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[Only Forwards]

Casual team member but I have no experience whatsoever in retail. I was a referee for 3 years then had a little experience at a burger place.

This is where fake it till you make it comes in


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Unless you have faked it on your resume* I wouldn't try to fake it in the interview.

you will have had experience in dealing with dissatisfaction through refereeing while still needing to adhere to the rules. this is the same skills as annoyed customers but still adhering to store policy.

talk up your ability to learn quick, work within a team, and under instruction, and have flexible availability.

An interview is just a conversation. The person interviewing you want you to be good enough to give you a job. if you are it makes their life easier.

Don't go in with the mindset of Imma fake it, go in with the mindset of I am gonna learn the shit out of it.

* to this point lies are hard to keep up with.

 

[Ligma]

Unless you have faked it on your resume* I wouldn't try to fake it in the interview.

you will have had experience in dealing with dissatisfaction through refereeing while still needing to adhere to the rules. this is the same skills as annoyed customers but still adhering to store policy.

talk up your ability to learn quick, work within a team, and under instruction, and have flexible availability.

An interview is just a conversation. The person interviewing you want you to be good enough to give you a job. if you are it makes their life easier.

Don't go in with the mindset of Imma fake it, go in with the mindset of I am gonna learn the sh*t out of it.

* to this point lies are hard to keep up with.

Yeah I wouldn’t lie about my work experience lol I’m a horrible liar.

More just fake the way I formulate my sentences to make myself sound the best I can be.

 

[Only Forwards]

Yeah I wouldn’t lie about my work experience lol I’m a horrible liar.

More just fake the way I formulate my sentences to make myself sound the best I can be.

Highlighting your own ability isn't lying if it is true.

I don't and haven't worked in retail, but I would assume that they will ask questions about handling customers. As a referee you absolutely will have transferable skills. you just need to be able to draw the parallel to how you have them, and how they apply.

go in with the idea that this person wants to give you the job. THey just need to find out about you enough to do that.

EDIT - btw my advice might all be nonsense in your context.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

Last min tips for a job interview? I’m gonna

Tell em you're from the country.

We know how to boat, camp and fish.