Play Nice Random Chat Thread VI

[Ligma]

Can the news just leave the monk alone all he wanted to do was to shop at sexyland

 

[koshari]

Chimera night.

 

[ferball]

A Florida Anarchist Will Spend Years in Prison for Online Posts Prompted by Jan. 6 Riot

Daniel Baker’s calls for armed defense against possible far-right attacks led to a much harsher sentence than that facing most January 6 insurrectionists.

theintercept.com

 

[Val Keating]

Does anyone else get the feeling that the Rittenhouse case and the Arbery cases running at almost the same time could set the US up for rioting again if it doesn’t go the way a lot of the activists are predicting? The Arbery one is pretty cut and dry IMO but I’m not so sure about the Rittenhouse case.

The reason I hint the Rittenhouse case isn’t as cut and dry is because recently there was a shootout between 2 gangs in Chicago, two people dead, bullet casings everywhere from choppers and the charges were dismissed because it was deemed mutual combat. I know all the states have different laws but man when I heard that I thought this Rittenhouse kid has a chance of being let off.

Now I only think it goes bad if Arberys killers get off, not so much Rittenhouse because nobody’s given a **** about some pedo and a wife beater, especially the black community, and the other one does look like self defence. But if both get off they’ll burn the cities down again. Could get wild.

America always has some crazy political trial shit going on.

Isn’t it funny how the gang wars going on in places like Chicago get zero attention. All that ‘COVID’ money the government just funnelled up into the big business did nothing to help those places. Baltimore is still cracked out. It’s a strange place the US.

 

[disco_cowboy]

Hey BF, I'm hoping to buy my first home at the moment. Found a place I like - going to try making an offer.
Anyone got any insider tips for success?

 

[Samsquanch]

A Florida Anarchist Will Spend Years in Prison for Online Posts Prompted by Jan. 6 Riot

Daniel Baker’s calls for armed defense against possible far-right attacks led to a much harsher sentence than that facing most January 6 insurrectionists.

theintercept.com

That's a pretty ****ed up situation being described in the article.

 

[Gasometer]

Hey BF, I'm hoping to buy my first home at the moment. Found a place I like - going to try making an offer.
Anyone got any insider tips for success?

Watch last Sunday nights The Block

On second thoughts…

My only advice is to remember when buying the Real Estate Agent is not your friend, and when selling they are your BFF. Be aware.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

Hey BF, I'm hoping to buy my first home at the moment. Found a place I like - going to try making an offer.
Anyone got any insider tips for success?

Stick to your budget. Don't get attached to the house and go over it. There will be others.

Don't get sucked into a bidding frenzy,. Even if it's not an auction the real estate agent will be working with his client to get a better price.

Put in a low offer that gives you room to increase it. Then gradually increase it if you need to.

Don't let the real estate agent rush you. If your offer is declined always say you have to talk to your partner 1st b4 increasing it and don't be pressured.

Good luck. It's exciting and scary at the same time.

 

[disco_cowboy]

Stick to your budget. Don't get attached to the house and go over it. There will be others.

Don't get sucked into a bidding frenzy,. Even if it's not an auction the real estate agent will be working with his client to get a better price.

Put in a low offer that gives you room to increase it. Then gradually increase it if you need to.

Don't let the real estate agent rush you. If your offer is declined always say you have to talk to your partner 1st b4 increasing it and don't be pressured.

Good luck. It's exciting and scary at the same time.

THanks guys - I'll let you kn ow how I go!

 

[Themanbun]

Hey BF, I'm hoping to buy my first home at the moment. Found a place I like - going to try making an offer.
Anyone got any insider tips for success?

The whole process is confusing and can be intimidating, feel free to PM me if you want me to run you through it. I just wrote up some bullet points for my parents recently buying their first.

I don't so much have tips for making an offer, more so just the procedure after doing so which is a labyrinth when you first confront it. If you're buying in Vic that is. It's different by state.

 

[disco_cowboy]

The whole process is confusing and can be intimidating, feel free to PM me if you want me to run you through it. I just wrote up some bullet points for my parents recently buying their first.

I don't so much have tips for making an offer, more so just the procedure after doing so which is a labyrinth when you first confront it. If you're buying in Vic that is. It's different by state.

will PM you later - thanks legend

 

[ferball]

That's a pretty f’ed up situation being described in the article.

Considering two of the people who organised and led the invasion of the capitol building have had their names dropped from the wanted list and have no chaarges pending it is a bit dodgy imo. Florida is full on tho. Some of the laws that were passed in Florida recently are downright fascist.

At least they aren't allowing child labor like some other states.

 

[Del191229]

Isn’t it funny how the gang wars going on in places like Chicago get zero attention. All that ‘COVID’ money the government just funnelled up into the big business did nothing to help those places. Baltimore is still cracked out. It’s a strange place the US.

US has always had serious criminal fighting on the streets though. I totally know what you mean, but somewhere like Chicago, its just how it is.

 

[Del191229]

Considering two of the people who organised and led the invasion of the capitol building have had their names dropped from the wanted list and have no chaarges pending it is a bit dodgy imo. Florida is full on tho. Some of the laws that were passed in Florida recently are downright fascist.

At least they aren't allowing child labor like some other states.

US right wing has been infiltrated by feds and provocateurs for decades. There's been cases where something has happened - say an attack on black church or similar - and cops have subsequently found the majority of those taking part were undercovers or informants for a whole variety of cops/agencies etc.

 

[AnEmptyChair]

US right wing has been infiltrated by feds and provocateurs for decades. There's been cases where something has happened - say an attack on black church or similar - and cops have subsequently found the majority of those taking part were undercovers or informants for a whole variety of cops/agencies etc.

Mate, I've seen you say this a lot about this kind of thing, ie Ai Yemini being a spook for ASIO and so on. I'm not saying that you're wrong or anything but on the face of it I find it somewhat implausible. I see what Russian or Chinese agencies would get out of fostering such division, but what motivation do domestic intelligence agencies have for doing that sort of thing? In fact, and knowing full well that is probably due to my own naivete, I would have thought they'd be looking to do the complete opposite.

 

[Del191229]

Mate, I've seen you say this a lot about this kind of thing, ie Ai Yemini being a spook for ASIO and so on. I'm not saying that you're wrong or anything but on the face of it I find it somewhat implausible. I see what Russian or Chinese agencies would get out of fostering such division, but what motivation do domestic intelligence agencies have for doing that sort of thing? In fact, and knowing full well that is probably due to my own naivete, I would have thought they'd be looking to do the complete opposite.

Its a fair question. The key thing is intel and having someone on the inside so they can at least understand and hopefully control or reduce the worst impacts of a movement.

For their agents to have credibility they need to take part in stuff. The idea being tldr that it OK to burn down a church if it gives you the cred in a movement so you'll have access to intel that could prevent an Oklahoma City down the line.

Also, intelligence agencies, and sadly VicPol pretend they are one now, also have their own motivations that are often anti-democratic and would shock most people, but they justify as being for the higher good.

Given VicPol ran Nicola Gobbo as an informer for years, in the face of every basic precept of justice, giving Avi Yemeni the green light to stir up shit on the streets on the basis he can feed back information on genuinely dangerous types in the "movement" seems perfectly plausible no?

The Brits fought the IRA to stalemate using this model, and along the way knew their agents were taking part in horrific terrorist acts, but it was worth the price.

 

[AnEmptyChair]

Its a fair question. The key thing is intel and having someone on the inside so they can at least understand and hopefully control or reduce the worst impacts of a movement.

For their agents to have credibility they need to take part in stuff. The idea being tldr that it OK to burn down a church if it gives you the cred in a movement so you'll have access to intel that could prevent an Oklahoma City down the line.

Also, intelligence agencies, and sadly VicPol pretend they are one now, also have their own motivations that are often anti-democratic and would shock most people, but they justify as being for the higher good.

Given VicPol ran Nicola Gobbo as an informer for years, in the face of every basic precept of justice, giving Avi Yemeni the green light to stir up sh*t on the streets on the basis he can feed back information on genuinely dangerous types in the "movement" seems perfectly plausible no?

The Brits fought the IRA to stalemate using this model, and along the way knew their agents were taking part in horrific terrorist acts, but it was worth the price.

Okay, yeah, I understand that first part about giving agents inside these movements legitimacy by having them participate in some things. And I could absolutely see that for the more anonymous members of these movements. As for the anti-democratic bit, that's interesting. I could see various institutions playing up threats in order to secure a greater slice of the funding pie, particularly in the US where there's so much money available in that broad security space.

But for someone like Avi? I don't know. I think there would be a difference between having agents participate in activities in order to gain intel and having them be the ringleader, prime agitator and face of a movement. Avi's actions are just as likely to create an extremist out of someone than expose one, if that makes sense. Don't know if the risk/reward balance is there when you consider his actions. I think it's far more likely he's a smart, manipulative narcissist who found the perfect outlet to feed his ego.

I know you have experience in some dodgy situations all over the world -- honestly, that's probably the main reason why I'm not like completely dismissive of it, because you've been there and done it and probably have a better knowledge of the workings of these things than anyone else I've ever interacted with, either here or in the real world.

 

[ferball]

Mate, I've seen you say this a lot about this kind of thing, ie Ai Yemini being a spook for ASIO and so on. I'm not saying that you're wrong or anything but on the face of it I find it somewhat implausible. I see what Russian or Chinese agencies would get out of fostering such division, but what motivation do domestic intelligence agencies have for doing that sort of thing? In fact, and knowing full well that is probably due to my own naivete, I would have thought they'd be looking to do the complete opposite.

Have you ever heard of COINTELPRO?

Anyway this is a fairly conservative source but it seems pretty comprehensive and detailed and it documents individuals who disappeared from the FBIs wanted list from Jan 6 who appear to have led and directed the storming of the capitol building.

https://www.revolver.news/2021/10/meet-ray-epps-the-fed-protected-provocateur-who-appears-to-have-led-the-very-first-1-6-attack-on-the-u-s-capitol/

What SLF mentioned about controlling and directing and even preventing more serious events holds up but there is also the potential for a two way infiltration. For years there have been claims about the far right infiltrating US law enforcement at all levels from county and state cops to feds. Same with the US military as well (and obviously intelligence agencies following the post ww2 ratlines and people like Dulles connection to German intelligence and the general anti commie origins of the CIA etc,) but the US military is increasing filled with people from minority backgrounds and that appears to be changing it a little.

I could probably get a list of agent provaocateurs from the US over the last 50 years if you like. it'll take a while tho cos there are plenty of them.

 

[Del191229]

But for someone like Avi? I don't know. I think there would be a difference between having agents participate in activities in order to gain intel and having them be the ringleader, prime agitator and face of a movement. Avi's actions are just as likely to create an extremist out of someone than expose one, if that makes sense. Don't know if the risk/reward balance is there when you consider his actions. I think it's far more likely he's a smart, manipulative narcissist who found the perfect outlet to feed his ego.

I agree on that 100 per cent.

But he's also clearly got some form of permission to run around doing this crap. He's looked after. He gets away with stuff time and time again that has other people in the gun. And other people do end up in the gun when they get involved in Avi's stuff.

And the higher up and more visible the agent, the more effective they are.

Again, going back to Gobbo.

She was very visibly the underworld lawyer. She partied with the, she shagged them, she was all but one of them.

And the whole time feeding info back to the coppers.

Avi is Gobbo but for ******* freedom protesters and the far right.

 

[AnEmptyChair]

I agree on that 100 per cent.

But he's also clearly got some form of permission to run around doing this crap. He's looked after. He gets away with stuff time and time again that has other people in the gun. And other people do end up in the gun when they get involved in Avi's stuff.

And the higher up and more visible the agent, the more effective they are.

Again, going back to Gobbo.

She was very visibly the underworld lawyer. She partied with the, she shagged them, she was all but one of them.

And the whole time feeding info back to the coppers.

Avi is Gobbo but for ******* freedom protesters and the far right.

Ok, yeah, that's interesting. DO you think it's likely he was an agent the whole time or only turned as he started to gain more notoriety? If the former, it's a pretty big and obviously successful undertaking when you consider his current position in the national landscape.

 

[Del191229]

Ok, yeah, that's interesting. DO you think it's likely he was an agent the whole time or only turned as he started to gain more notoriety? If the former, it's a pretty big and obviously successful undertaking when you consider his current position in the national landscape.

No idea, probably six of one, half a dozen of the other.

I find it interesting he started off an an anti-Muslim type who has now segued into a far bigger worldview.

He's clearly charismatic and appealing to lots of people and well connected in his very influential community in Melbourne.

The fact he's been trained and done active service in a very well regarded (by the establishment) military is an interesting element.

If I had to guess I'd say he started some of this stuff off his own bat and was quickly identified and recruited and is actually hugely happy with what he's doing.

I can very easily see him thinking of himself as an undercover soldier for the good guys.

 

[DesertRoo]

Have you ever heard of COINTELPRO?

Anyway this is a fairly conservative source but it seems pretty comprehensive and detailed and it documents individuals who disappeared from the FBIs wanted list from Jan 6 who appear to have led and directed the storming of the capitol building.

https://www.revolver.news/2021/10/meet-ray-epps-the-fed-protected-provocateur-who-appears-to-have-led-the-very-first-1-6-attack-on-the-u-s-capitol/

What SLF mentioned about controlling and directing and even preventing more serious events holds up but there is also the potential for a two way infiltration. For years there have been claims about the far right infiltrating US law enforcement at all levels from county and state cops to feds. Same with the US military as well (and obviously intelligence agencies following the post ww2 ratlines and people like Dulles connection to German intelligence and the general anti commie origins of the CIA etc,) but the US military is increasing filled with people from minority backgrounds and that appears to be changing it a little.

I could probably get a list of agent provaocateurs from the US over the last 50 years if you like. it'll take a while tho cos there are plenty of them.

Closer to home,
Both these incidences are suspected po po operations to demonise protestors. The guy in the video allegedly an actor named aleksandar lakic. There’s videos online of all the protestors, basically asking the guy to get help.

9News - Latest news and headlines from Australia and the world

Latest news and headlines from Australia and the world

www.9news.com.au

and there’s no way they’re walking Sutton passed protestors, without doing it on purpose. It’ll be first drop on the news, to get an emotive response.

‘Rat dog’: Brett Sutton targeted as hundreds of protesters gather outside Victorian parliament

Brett Sutton copped an almighty barrage of abuse as he walked down the steps of the Victorian parliament in Melbourne yesterday as hundreds of protesters gathered outside the building.

www.news.com.au

 

[Del191229]

Closer to home,
Both these incidences are suspected po po operations to demonise protestors. The guy in the video allegedly an actor named aleksandar lakic. There’s videos online of all the protestors, basically asking the guy to get help.

9News - Latest news and headlines from Australia and the world

Latest news and headlines from Australia and the world

www.9news.com.au

and there’s no way they’re walking Sutton passed protestors, without doing it on purpose. It’ll be first drop on the news, to get an emotive response.

‘Rat dog’: Brett Sutton targeted as hundreds of protesters gather outside Victorian parliament

Brett Sutton copped an almighty barrage of abuse as he walked down the steps of the Victorian parliament in Melbourne yesterday as hundreds of protesters gathered outside the building.

www.news.com.au

He's an actor who has been radicalised.

As for Sutton and Weimar, they're just leaving a work place. They will have done that daily for months and years.

Sad to see you go down this hole bro.

 

[Del191229]

The protestors don't need "demonising" ffs.

90 per cent of people are vaccinated, it'll go higher too.

These idiots have already shown contempt for society in their crap. Taking over bridges and streets and terrifying normal people.

The vast majority of people are already completely opposed to them and hate them.

 

[DesertRoo]

He's an actor who has been radicalised.

As for Sutton and Weimar, they're just leaving a work place. They will have done that daily for months and years.

Sad to see you go down this hole bro.

Meh, I wonder if Andy Meddick of the animal justice party will get his ban on hunting bows passed now..