Play Nice Random Chat Thread VI

[Del191229]

And yes, I remember Littlemore well. He was right as you say.

 

[Makeshift Park]

The Afghan war crimes story has resulted in a whistleblower being charged, facing death threats, ongoing harassment of his family and himself and the prospect of spending the rest of his life in prison while the military look to avoid charging the people involved in the actual killings.

At no point have I seen David McBride express regret over leaking the documents, he still does semi-regular panels with the journalist who broke the story, and unless you're suggesting that it would have been better that we never knew that our army perpetrated war crimes, I'm not sure what your point is.

 

[Makeshift Park]

This is something that got absolutely no traction in the media (well maybe it did, I ignore most mass media these days.) On one hand Gucci stores are essential, on the other people in SW Sydney gave everyone else covid.

Do you honestly think any of the upper middle class white kids who dominate the SMH or ABC have ever even been west of Parramatta?

You guys have no idea what you are talking about. Google is your friend.
How Sydney's COVID-19 lockdown is dividing the city
'One gets arrested when they're grieving. The other gets to sunbake': Tale of two cities in Sydney's lockdown
Restrictions may have eased in Western Sydney, but the inequalities remain
'We're being treated like criminals': Western Sydney residents rail against lockdown on Q+A

Who wrote those stories, you ask? Oh what do we have here.



Bloody good journos from migrant backgrounds from Western Sydney.
Stop with the whitewashing before I need to get Aunty to put me on their PR payroll.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Just dropping this here. From mid-2000, the first 40 seconds is enough to demonstrate why some of us have no time for Rogan.

 

[ferball]

At no point have I seen David McBride express regret over leaking the documents, he still does semi-regular panels with the journalist who broke the story, and unless you're suggesting that it would have been better that we never knew that our army perpetrated war crimes, I'm not sure what your point is.

My point is that rather than breaking the story we should be hearing about his situation every day, and how it just is not good enough that he is in that position.

That would lead to a further discussion on the state of whistleblower laws in Australia and could be followed up with an examination of the dangerously undemocratic legislation that's unquestionably accepted since 9/11 and the Bali bombing. Whether its anti terror laws, anti biker laws or When I grew up in Australia we questioned this stuff in public and in the media. There was a massive outcry at the Australia Card (even tho we had passports, photo licenses and a tax file number incoming,) because people valued limiting government power. The ABC didn't see itself as part of the government or ruling class. Unlike now.

Shows like Insiders and Q&A broke the barriers between government and the ABC and changed the relationship between those people presenting them and the politicians they should have been criticising. The idea that our media, who should hold politicians to account, see themselves as "Insiders" in the political process is disturbing and ****ed up.

A few stories here and there, with precious little change as a result isn't a functioning media, its a circus and a distraction.

 

[Del191229]

You guys have no idea what you are talking about. Google is your friend.
How Sydney's COVID-19 lockdown is dividing the city
'One gets arrested when they're grieving. The other gets to sunbake': Tale of two cities in Sydney's lockdown
Restrictions may have eased in Western Sydney, but the inequalities remain
'We're being treated like criminals': Western Sydney residents rail against lockdown on Q+A

Who wrote those stories, you ask? Oh what do we have here.

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Bloody good journos from migrant backgrounds from Western Sydney.
Stop with the whitewashing before I need to get Aunty to put me on their PR payroll.

Of course there was coverage.

But nothing to actual scale of the issue given the importance of the issue and the population affected.

 

[koshari]

so is anyone going to ask mr beetroot head what the actual actions in the past 18 months were that changed his opinion of scummo from lying hypocrite to worthy leader, i must have sneezed when scummo something constructive?

 

[koshari]

First up - abc country radio is good. But it rarely breaks big stories or has any other influence on the country. Its local radio.

except nicole chevastec does my head in at times.

 

[B4Bear]

Left pants on the floor.

So doing a Malcolm Fraser then?

 

[Ligma]

So doing a Malcolm Fraser then?

Do u guys expect me to understand these references I wasn’t born in 1936

 

[ferball]

Just dropping this here. From mid-2000, the first 40 seconds is enough to demonstrate why some of us have no time for Rogan.

If the vaccine rollout hadn't had so many questions around it and the "official stance" about it wasn't so toxic then things could have been different.

People are giving other people shit because they don't want an mRNA vaccine and would prefer a traditional one. That's unacceptable really.

Rogan isn't responding to Australia either, he's responding to the US where rumours of the poor trial testing and excess side effects have been around for nearly a year.

People can bang on about anti vaxxers all they like but the reality is people claimed these vaccines were "perfectly safe" and they weren't. Serious questions arose over the trial process that still haven't gone away. The most obvious case is the is the Ventavia **** up but it isn't the only one. If someone was trying to sell me something over the counter and had the sort of marketing that we have seen since the vaccine rollout started I wouldn't be giving them my money. Even if their product wasn't shonky they haven't engendered trust.

As soon as you mandate a medical procedure instead of relying on people to choose to do it you create the potential for these issues. Especially when so many of the justifications for the mandate turn out to be wrong.

People use the term "pandemic of the unvaccinated" when the numbers clearly show less vaccinated people in hospital. They may be in there at a higher rate but when the raw number is less than 100 people and the numbers of vaccinated are much higher and other issues are cropping up it just looks bad and people who are looking for a reason double down. Viral loads were high enough in vaccinated people (pre Omicron) that the argument they prevented transmission is shot down in seconds. They may be higher in the unvaccinated but so what. The vaccinated people still spread the virus.

All of this stuff happened between when Rogan made that show and when he got covid.

If you want to pull off the response people were calling for you have to bring people along with you and you have to make an effort to bring "hesitant' people along. That didn't happen. The response was authoritarian and patronising and driven as much by anti Trump politics and cancel culture as anything else. When anti Trump politics should have had nothing to do with it.

I've had conversations with anti vaxxers (not yelling matches) where they bring up the trial of mRNA vaccines as potentially sus. I agree to a point but this is an emergency situation, and we respond differently in emergencies to everyday life. being patient and considered about discussing that actually can work on bringing them around. None of what we did as a society was patient and considered.

Paul Offit, who did the debunking of Rogan's Malone interview with that medical youtuber ZDogg, the one that was posted a few pages back ... he advised his twenty something son not to get a mRNA booster shot.

Did you know that?

You can't call him anti vax. He's so pro vaccination he's invented one. An anti rotovirus vaccine that has probably saved millions of lives already.

I get your criticism of Rogan, especially based on that, fair enough, but none of this happened in a vacuum. It happened in a situation of extreme polarisation where people became very authoritarian about the response to the pandemic. In response to that other people will default to the things that really matter to them and if they are anti authoritarian they will pull that way.

I can only wonder what would have happened if things had been different.

 

[B4Bear]

Do u guys expect me to understand these references I wasn’t born in 1936

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/malcolm-fraser-and-the-mystery-of-how-he-lost-his-trousers-and-his-dignity-in-a-seedy-american-hotel/news-story/c122c798f7927fb6f994d2687e717461

No, but I do expect you to go looking...

 

[koshari]

So doing a Malcolm Fraser then?

showing your age now BB

 

[blackshadow]

showing your age now BB

Doesn't everyone forget where they left their pants some time?

 

[B4Bear]

showing your age now BB

Remember when an ex-PM losing his pants in Memphis was the worst and funniest scandal going around?

Now, wouldn't make it into the paper earlier than page six.

 

[Tectonic]

If the vaccine rollout hadn't had so many questions around it and the "official stance" about it wasn't so toxic then things could have been different.

People are giving other people sh*t because they don't want an mRNA vaccine and would prefer a traditional one. That's unacceptable really.

Rogan isn't responding to Australia either, he's responding to the US where rumours of the poor trial testing and excess side effects have been around for nearly a year.

People can bang on about anti vaxxers all they like but the reality is people claimed these vaccines were "perfectly safe" and they weren't. Serious questions arose over the trial process that still haven't gone away. The most obvious case is the is the Ventavia fu** up but it isn't the only one. If someone was trying to sell me something over the counter and had the sort of marketing that we have seen since the vaccine rollout started I wouldn't be giving them my money. Even if their product wasn't shonky they haven't engendered trust.

As soon as you mandate a medical procedure instead of relying on people to choose to do it you create the potential for these issues. Especially when so many of the justifications for the mandate turn out to be wrong.

People use the term "pandemic of the unvaccinated" when the numbers clearly show less vaccinated people in hospital. They may be in there at a higher rate but when the raw number is less than 100 people and the numbers of vaccinated are much higher and other issues are cropping up it just looks bad and people who are looking for a reason double down. Viral loads were high enough in vaccinated people (pre Omicron) that the argument they prevented transmission is shot down in seconds. They may be higher in the unvaccinated but so what. The vaccinated people still spread the virus.

All of this stuff happened between when Rogan made that show and when he got covid.

If you want to pull off the response people were calling for you have to bring people along with you and you have to make an effort to bring "hesitant' people along. That didn't happen. The response was authoritarian and patronising and driven as much by anti Trump politics and cancel culture as anything else. When anti Trump politics should have had nothing to do with it.

I've had conversations with anti vaxxers (not yelling matches) where they bring up the trial of mRNA vaccines as potentially sus. I agree to a point but this is an emergency situation, and we respond differently in emergencies to everyday life. being patient and considered about discussing that actually can work on bringing them around. None of what we did as a society was patient and considered.

Paul Offit, who did the debunking of Rogan's Malone interview with that medical youtuber ZDogg, the one that was posted a few pages back ... he advised his twenty something son not to get a mRNA booster shot.

Did you know that?

You can't call him anti vax. He's so pro vaccination he's invented one. An anti rotovirus vaccine that has probably saved millions of lives already.

I get your criticism of Rogan, especially based on that, fair enough, but none of this happened in a vacuum. It happened in a situation of extreme polarisation where people became very authoritarian about the response to the pandemic. In response to that other people will default to the things that really matter to them and if they are anti authoritarian they will pull that way.

I can only wonder what would have happened if things had been different.

Context on the bolded, for those interested.


It's a very good read

Why Are We Boosting Kids?

The CDC and the FDA have ignored other countries’ caution, the WHO’s chief scientist, leading American experts, and their own data.

bariweiss.substack.com

 

[see see]

In better news I just served Derryn Hinch

NSFW

 

[ferball]

Context on the bolded, for those interested.


It's a very good read

Why Are We Boosting Kids?

The CDC and the FDA have ignored other countries’ caution, the WHO’s chief scientist, leading American experts, and their own data.

bariweiss.substack.com

It is.

I dunno if you noticed or not but I've said just about everything in that article over the last 2 months and linked to most of the studies cited.

Some of the responses people have given are pretty off.

 

[Val Keating]

Jimmy Carr the latest comedian in the gun because of a joke he made about the Nazi holocaust.

 

[Del191229]

Jimmy Carr the latest comedian in the gun because of a joke he made about the Nazi holocaust.

Nah, he is in the gun for what he said about Roma.

 

[Hojuman]

Jimmy Carr the latest comedian in the gun because of a joke he made about the Nazi holocaust.

There's jokes Val, and there's jokes. My mum grew up in Nazi Germany.

I'd draw the line on holocaust jokes. Sure people will differ.

My 2 cents.

 

[ferball]

Sydney media had long ago decided COVID was a Victorian thing they didn't get coz Gold Standard Gladys.

Then when they did have the inevitable outbreak, it suddenly became something nobody could control, all we could o was vax and just fence off the worst affected places and pretend it wasn't happening.

Do you honestly think any of the upper middle class white kids who dominate the SMH or ABC have ever even been west of Parramatta?

This is Russell Brand talking to Matt Taibbi.

Listen to what Taibbi says about his dad starting out as a journo and his own time as a journo.

He makes a very interesting point along the lines of what we're talking about. Funnily enough they put this out in the last day or so and it popped up on my youtube page just as I had something to eat just now.

 

[Val Keating]

There's jokes Val, and there's jokes. My mum grew up in Nazi Germany.

I'd draw the line on holocaust jokes. Sure people will differ.

My 2 cents.

He said something similar to an earlier post in this thread. I haven’t watched the special yet but it went

: "Strap in everyone, you ready?" Then he went on: "When people talk about the Holocaust, they talk about the tragedy and horror of six million Jewish lives being lost to the Nazi war machine.”

"But they never mention the thousands of gypsies that were killed by the Nazis.
"No one ever talks about that because no one wants to talk... about the positives."

 

[Val Keating]

Nah, he is in the gun for what he said about Roma.

Yeah I know.

 

[Val Keating]

And also LOL at Boris Johnson condemning it. What a snake. He wouldn’t give a **** but because of his situation he’s just trying to gain points.