Play Nice Random Chat Thread VI

[CharlieMortdecai]

To your first point I imagine she had other issues and it was the tipping point, but I don’t know.

As for Bill Burr, he’s definitely not PC but yes he is a good guy, most people are. For example he got into trouble for using the word f word for gay people, he says he grew up using it with mates and they don’t mean it that way. He got smashed by the critics for his last special because they weren’t pc, think the rotten tomatoes score from critics was almost zero but then when it was released to the public it went to about 99%.

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On Rotten Tomatoes, the film holds an 86% rating from critics.[6] Forbes compared Paper Tiger to Dave Chappelle's 2019 special Sticks & Stones, saying that both specials are framed as a backlash against outrage culture.[7] The Washington Post cited Vulture describing the special as "thoughtful, surprising, introspective", noted the show's "risk of offensiveness" as being in a similar vein with Chappelle's release while pointing out the necessity to "defend the right to be offensive".[8]

Paper Tiger was nominated at the 63rd Annual Grammy Awards for Best Comedy Album.

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

The f-word thing surprises me a little. If you had asked me based on the half-hour I listened to, I'd have thought he would be the type of person who would apologise, move on and try not to use the word in future, having been made aware of the offence it may cause.

 

[Val Keating]

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I must have got their specials mixed up.

Make no mistake though, Burr cops a lot of backlash over his specials and stuff he says on his podcast. If someone were to go back to when he started it and cut up a clip to frame him in the worst light possible it would be easy.

Like Rogan though he doesn’t read anything about himself. He’s in Hollywood a little bit though so he’d probably lose that. There’s also the aspect that he does the podcast on his own so he can’t have any guests on, like say political candidates, so there’s no point discrediting him.

 

[Val Keating]

The f-word thing surprises me a little. If you had asked me based on the half-hour I listened to, I'd have thought he would be the type of person who would apologise, move on and try not to use the word in future, having been made aware of the offence it may cause.

Nah he’s not that guy.

 

[Del191229]

I posted this in the Viking Clap thread, but it should more properly be here:


I was thinking this morning, how lucky are we to have had the Islamic scholars and intellectuals of the middle ages? It is generally well-known that many of the scientific, literary, and historical works of the ancient world have come to us via the Arabic translations from that period. But I wonder whether any of them would have been actually lost to the world otherwise, or would they simply have been found and translated to modern European languages at a later time?

Like all counter-factuals, that's kind of pointless to ponder. However, those contemporaneous accounts of the world from people like Ibn Fadlan and Ibn Battuta are priceless. It's so incredibly frequent that Christian European sources of historical events are written 200 or more years after the events and contain so much myth and legend that historians end up trying to detangle what we can actually take to be true. They also generally have a great deal of overt bias and assumptions based on their own world-view. The Islamic sources aren't perfect in this regard of course, but there's something almost modern about their scientific and dispassionate description of events. When I say modern, I guess they have a rough equivalence with western European writings of the 18th and 19th century. They believed themselves to be neutral and scientific, but failed to recognise the inherent biases arising from their own religious and cultural beliefs.

Anyhoo, that's my random thought for the day.

Islamic astronomers, mathemeticians, doctors ..

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

To your first point I imagine she had other issues and it was the tipping point, but I don’t know.

As for Bill Burr, he’s definitely not PC but yes he is a good guy, most people are. For example he got into trouble for using the word f word for gay people, he says he grew up using it with mates and they don’t mean it that way. He got smashed by the critics for his last special because they weren’t pc, think the rotten tomatoes score from critics was almost zero but then when it was released to the public it went to about 99%.

Ha ha, after pledging not to go down any rabbit holes, I've gone and done it again! But VK, I think you might really enjoy this article. I know you prefer stuff you can listen to, but it's not very long:

Is Social Media Ruining Comedy?

Controversy has always been the lifeblood of comedy. The best comedy has to be offensive, or at least offensive to someone, to prove that it is good.

www.newyorker.com

A lot of it is about Burr, including this:

Despite the disclaimer about political correctness, this special is Burr’s most progressive—the least likely to offend the kinds of people who have been accused of policing comedy in recent years for any sign of transgression. He makes fun of gun owners and talks about the hypocrisy of religion. He doesn’t, as he has in the past, make white-people-are-like-this, black-people-are-like-that jokes. He doesn’t say “***” anymore (it was always as a joke on homophobic, insecure straight men, but it still sounded like a slur). And he has backed away from the full-blown misogyny that marred his previous special, “You People Are All the Same,” in 2012. (“This time, I made a note that I wasn’t going to trash women, because I thought I overdid it on my last one,” he recently told The Hollywood Reporter. “I looked back and watched it and thought, Jesus! Does this guy need a hug or what?”)

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

Nah he’s not that guy.

Do you mean he's not that guy in the sense he wouldn't stop using the f-word because it causes offence? The article I linked above suggests he might be

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

Islamic astronomers, mathemeticians, doctors ..

Yep. Also, one of the few positives to come from the Crusades was bringing back hygiene to western Europe - using cutlery, bathing more than once a month.

 

[Val Keating]

Do you mean he's not that guy in the sense he wouldn't stop using the f-word because it causes offence? The article I linked above suggests he might be

I meant he won’t stop making jokes that offend people. His whole stand up style is taking something that’s offensive and working out how to make it work. He’s talked about it in interviews.

 

[Val Keating]

It’ll be funny if Michelle Obama runs for President because it’ll completely ruin his bit about her having an opinion just because she’s the wife of the president.

 

[koshari]

somewhat astonishing in this age that we actually had to pass a bill in parliament to prohibit schools discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation, gender identity, marital or relationship status or pregnancy!

even more incredable that some schools were previousely given exemption because they believed in the existance of deities.

 

[Del191229]

somewhat astonishing in this age that we actually had to pass a bill in parliament to prohibit schools discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation, gender identity, marital or relationship status or pregnancy!

even more incredable that some schools were previousely given exemption because they believed in the existance of deities.

We didn't in Victoria.

We already have those protections.

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

I meant he won’t stop making jokes that offend people. His whole stand up style is taking something that’s offensive and working out how to make it work. He’s talked about it in interviews.

I think the bolded is key. As I suggested earlier, Carr might have taken the time to work out how to make his holocaust joke work and had a very different outcome. Burr seems to do this, to learn from his mistakes (“This time, I made a note that I wasn’t going to trash women, because I thought I overdid it on my last one,” he recently told The Hollywood Reporter. “I looked back and watched it and thought, Jesus! Does this guy need a hug or what?”) and develop. He doesn't seem to pointlessly cause offence just for a laugh, and where he does he owns it and moves on, such as dropping the word "***". As he's quoted as saying:
“If you’re being a dick, then yeah, apologize. But other than that, go **** yourself.”

 

[Val Keating]

I think the bolded is key. As I suggested earlier, Carr might have taken the time to work out how to make his holocaust joke work and had a very different outcome. Burr seems to do this, to learn from his mistakes (“This time, I made a note that I wasn’t going to trash women, because I thought I overdid it on my last one,” he recently told The Hollywood Reporter. “I looked back and watched it and thought, Jesus! Does this guy need a hug or what?”) and develop. He doesn't seem to pointlessly cause offence just for a laugh, and where he does he owns it and moves on, such as dropping the word "f**". As he's quoted as saying:
“If you’re being a dick, then yeah, apologize. But other than that, go fu** yourself.”

I love that his catch phrase is “go **** yourself”.

I think Burr doing a bit of work in Hollywood might have reigned him in a bit tbh.

 

[B4Bear]

It’ll be funny if Michelle Obama runs for President because it’ll completely ruin his bit about her having an opinion just because she’s the wife of the president.

See that shit I don't find funny, nor true. She is an accomplished individual in her own right. A graduate of Princeton (Arts) and Harvard (Law). It is one of those classic 'sit down little girl' put-downs we see all the time.

It has extra bite because that was one of the right wing tropes during her husband's tenure as president. How to tell the black girl to STFU without calling out her race in this instance.

 

[B4Bear]

We didn't in Victoria.

We already have those protections.

Are they going to be over-ridden by this abomination of a federal law?

And if this law passes does that mean that Muslims get to kill apostates and not go to gaol?

 

[Val Keating]

See that sh*t I don't find funny, nor true. She is an accomplished individual in her own right. A graduate of Princeton (Arts) and Harvard (Law). It is one of those classic 'sit down little girl' put-downs we see all the time.

It has extra bite because that was one of the right wing tropes during her husband's tenure as president. How to tell the black girl to STFU without calling out her race in this instance.

That wasn’t the premise of the bit at all

 

[B4Bear]

That wasn’t the premise of the bit at all

Maybe not, but it fits in very nicely with what Fox and company were saying for years.

 

[Del191229]

Are they going to be over-ridden by this abomination of a federal law?

And if this law passes does that mean that Muslims get to kill apostates and not go to gaol?

They will be.

And yes, wondering how the law works with Salafism.

 

[Val Keating]

Maybe not, but it fits in very nicely with what Fox and company were saying for years.

So what. What’s that go to do with Bill Burr. The funny bit was when he talked about how he can’t wait for the first female President because then we’ll have the first male First Lady.

Have you watched the special?

 

[B4Bear]

So what. What’s that go to do with Bill Burr. The funny bit was when he talked about how he can’t wait for the first female President because then we’ll have the first male First Lady.

Have you watched the special?

No I haven't. And maybe it was funny, but I was only commenting on the " bit about her having an opinion just because she’s the wife of the president." which matches the talking points from Fox for eight years.

 

[Val Keating]

No I haven't. And maybe it was funny, but I was only commenting on the " bit about her having an opinion just because she’s the wife of the president." which matches the talking points from Fox for eight years.

Then you don’t qualify to have an opinion on weather or not it’s funny.

And guess what, you don’t have to find it funny. Maybe it’s not for you so don’t listen to it or watch it.

 

[Val Keating]

Side note/random thought Burrs wife is an African American feminist.

 

[B4Bear]

They will be.

And yes, wondering how the law works with Salafism.

Looks like the bigots don't like it when they are not allowed to be bigots Honestly, how did they think this was going to play out?

And then to show you intolerance in public like this just amazes me. What I find intolerable is that a religious organisation gets to have a government put a bill forward in the first place, and then tells them to withdraw it, like they have a right to order a secular government around.

 

[koshari]

Are they going to be over-ridden by this abomination of a federal law?

And if this law passes does that mean that Muslims get to kill apostates and not go to gaol?

dunno if you were following this but an indepepdent put an amendment forward that basically protected peoples right from descrimination and 5 LNP members crossed the floor to support it, the irony is that scummo put the bill up originally for a weak law to appease the religious Right now the whole thing has blown up in his face.