Play Nice Random Chat Thread VII

[koshari]

I cleaned up backing Rogan Josh in the Mackinnon Stakes and Melbourne Cup in 1999. Good horse.

no Whykickamoocow

 

[ferball]

You think it's reasonable for people to be stalked/harrassed at their home?

Really?

You called Val insane despite him not stalking people in their homes.

That's what I'm talking about. There is no link between Val and what happened to Hotez.

 

[ferball]

I cleaned up backing Rogan Josh in the Mackinnon Stakes and Melbourne Cup in 1999. Good horse.

Same here!!!

 

[Chadwiko]

You called Val insane despite him not stalking people in their homes.

That's what I'm talking about. There is no link between Val and what happened to Hotez.

Sigh.

I'm gonna quote Val here from what he said in response to me first posting about that awful incident;

He bought it on himself by posting about Rogan platforming doctors with opposing views to his, even though Rogan also had him on his podcast as well.

"He bought it on himself" is an insane thing to say.

 

[ferball]

I think people who use the term neo-fascist to describe people like Joe Rogan or our government don't really know what that term means, it is crazy to even think it. Even One Nation isn't neo-fascist and they have barely any support because they are too nationalistic for our country's liking.

Ok then "overly authoratitive, corporate favouring, anti-democratic, dissent hating" leanings.

Happy Sheldon?

The state of our countries is a disgrace given we're sposed to be bastions of freedom and democracy.

 

[ferball]

Sigh.

I'm gonna quote Val here from what he said in response to me first posting about that awful incident;



"He bought it on himself" is an insane thing to say.

No it isn't.

What did anyone expect would happen with this situation given the climate in the US. I'm betting Hotez knew some nutcase was gonna lose it and was counting on it to generate exactly the sort of outrage you're showing now.

 

[ferball]

Do you really look at this list of people and think "yeah, these are the good guys and we should follow them..."

I mean... really?


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Do you really think we should not take every opportunity we can to separate those people from their money, especially if someone needing charity benefits?

 

[ferball]

I'd make them donate to a pro-vaccine group - and I'd get evidence that the money has actually been received by the charity.

Then I'd turn up to the studio, say "thanks for the money", get up and walk out.

See this is exactly the sort of out of the box thinking I was talking about with my last post.

 

[Val Keating]

Sigh.

I'm gonna quote Val here from what he said in response to me first posting about that awful incident;



"He bought it on himself" is an insane thing to say.

Is it though? He didn’t have to tweet anything. He publicly posted a link to the podcast condemning it.

Is it right that he got harassed at home?, no it’s not, but should he have known better, yes he should have. Shit even Rogan would have nutcases turning up to his house, though admittedly they would probably regret doing so.

He threw stones but didn’t have the balls to rise to the occasion.

 

[ferball]

This is bullshit.

Democracy was built on public debate. What would that guy have said about Iran COntra? He would have called that a conspiracy theory too and the US Government would have got away with it. Well I spose they did ... got me there Hotez.

Victims of British Nuclear testing and Agent orange - don't debate them they're just conspiracy theorists.

The people in East Palestine are just making up conspiracies about private police and poisened water. Same with those trouble makers in Flint. Where does this attitude end?

 

[DesertRoo]

This is Hotez, center of GOF research related to wuhan.

Critic of congressional probe into gain-of-function research helped fund Wuhan gain-of-function study

A prominent scientist who has denounced a congressional investigation into gain-of-function research helped fund WIV gain-of-function work

usrtk.org

 

[ferball]

lol absolutely not.

If that were true, we wouldn't have flat-earthers or "vaccines cause autism!" or "jews control the world!" types still prevalent.

Conspiracy theorists aren't worth debating because they aren't coming to the table willing to exchange ideas or knowledge. They believe they're right, and everything else is a lie or a hoax or a conspiracy.

Calling someone a conspiracy theorist is a great way to not have to risk being wrong about something too. Its a great way to marginalise people who might have a valid complaint.

But worst of all...

Plenty of people who don't know any better but can follow logic would get exposed to these debates and if people invited to them run away when they're given the opportunity those first bunch of people who don't know any better never have the chance to make up their own mind with good information.

You've lost them to conspiracy theorists.

Also not every conspiracy theorist ends up thinking Jews control the world.

Seymour Hersh is a conspiracy theorist and you've just linked him to "Jews control the world" types.

 

[ferball]

Also ... the kooks are already convinced. The people who aren't convinced are the ones who will be swayed toward anti vax positions as i clumsily said in that last post.

This is the point you just don't get.

 

[ferball]

lol absolutely not.

If that were true, we wouldn't have flat-earthers or "vaccines cause autism!" or "jews control the world!" types still prevalent.

Conspiracy theorists aren't worth debating because they aren't coming to the table willing to exchange ideas or knowledge. They believe they're right, and everything else is a lie or a hoax or a conspiracy.

Are you willing to accept that the way Pfizer carried out its vaccine program was questionable and at least unethical in documented instances?

 

[ferball]

So you're seriously saying that environmental pollutants don't have any effect and that atrazine doesn't have effects on sexual expression in amphibians?

Got any data to support that?

 

[czero]

You all need to stay off social media for your medical facts.

 

[Tas]

Ok then "overly authoratitive, corporate favouring, anti-democratic, dissent hating" leanings.

Happy Sheldon?

The state of our countries is a disgrace given we're sposed to be bastions of freedom and democracy.

I agree with you, I just think it is important to be accurate, there is a big difference between a neo-fascist and someone who is right wing. If we blur the line of the labels then it is the boy crying wolf scenario, a bit like misogyny, it has been watered down by mislabelling that it doesn't really mean anything to people in general anymore. It was used as a slur to dehumanise people for silly things and now it has lost the impact it once did.

We shouldn't get sucked into American political shitfighting, a conservative isn't the second coming of Hitler anymore than a liberal is the second coming of Stalin.

Our democracies have been eroded because people aren't fighting for it, the fault isn't only on our governments, it is on the people who elect them.

 

[ferball]

The debate offer isn't in good faith.

It's the equivalent of Kane Cornes moderating a debate between David Koch and some random North guy on whether JHF should have asked for a trade. It wouldn't be a genuine debate, that's why a bunch of anti-vaxxers have joined the pile-on.

So what? if he's good enough he'll still win.

 

[Chadwiko]

I'm gonna rock up at your houses.

You "brought it on yourselves" with your comments here.

That is apparently an acceptable course of action.

 

[ferball]

I agree with you, I just think it is important to be accurate, there is a big difference between a neo-fascist and someone who is right wing. If we blur the line of the labels then it is the boy crying wolf scenario, a bit like misogyny, it has been watered down by mislabelling that it doesn't really mean anything to people in general anymore. It was used as a slur to dehumanise people for silly things and now it has lost the impact it once did.

We shouldn't get sucked into American political shitfighting, a conservative isn't the second coming of Hitler anymore than a liberal is the second coming of Stalin.

Our democracies have been eroded because people aren't fighting for it, the fault isn't only on our governments, it is on the people who elect them.

That isn't what I meant at all tho. I actually agree with that.

Protest is criminalised in Australia. I'm pretty sure every state now has oppressive anti protest laws. Just as climate change is starting to bite and a generation of kids is growing up pissed off about it. David McBride son of the dead soldier in that song Green Fields of france (lol) is facing life in prison for telling the Australian people the truth about our actions in Afghanistan.

In the UK former UK ambassador Craig Murray was jailed for providing evidence of a conspiracy against Alex Salmond who led the Scottish Independence push the other year. His jail time also stopped him testifying in an Spanish Human Rights case against the CIA as part of its plot to rat **** him to death.

these aren't isolated examples. i could on and on and on about this stuff. if youse think i'm bad now wait till I get serious lol.

Its a really bad time. People like Val, DR and Chad should all be more concerned about that shit and not distracted by this version of the culture war. You're all good people and everything you say is coming from a good place but this sort of stuff I'm talking about is really bad for us.

 

[ferball]

My experiences with Val are that he almost always discusses in good faith. In fact, I can't remember ever seeing him not discuss in good faith. You might not agree with him, but it's good faith. Just because it's a controversial topic which others jump on, doesn't mean the original discussion wasn't good faith.

100% back this up.

 

[ferball]

For anyone who wants to actually know who RFK Jr is, including who is supporting him and encouraging him to run for President, then this is a good article for you.

You can even just read the first few paragraphs if you're busy. It'll tell you enough.

Why Steve Bannon and Alex Jones love RFK Jr.

Fascists know their path to victory goes through turning more Americans into QAnon-style conspiracy nuts

www.salon.com

I do actually agree with that stuff about Q-Anon but if I actually told you my full position you'd have to call me a conspiracy nut.

 

[ferball]

Always humourous when people think quoting Alex Jones and gay frogs is a gotcha moment...except it just exposes how misinformed people are.

Atrazine exposure disturbs frogs' sexual development

newsarchive.berkeley.edu

Pesticide atrazine can turn male frogs into females - Berkeley News

The herbicide atrazine, one of the world's most widely used pesticides, screws up the sex lives of adult male frogs, emasculating three-quarters of them and turning one in 10 into females, according to a new study by UC Berkeley's Tyrone Hayes.

news.berkeley.edu

Two berkeley references.

Snap.

LOL.

 

[Val Keating]

Always humourous when people think quoting Alex Jones and gay frogs is a gotcha moment...except it just exposes how misinformed people are.

Atrazine exposure disturbs frogs' sexual development

newsarchive.berkeley.edu

Pesticide atrazine can turn male frogs into females - Berkeley News

The herbicide atrazine, one of the world's most widely used pesticides, screws up the sex lives of adult male frogs, emasculating three-quarters of them and turning one in 10 into females, according to a new study by UC Berkeley's Tyrone Hayes.

news.berkeley.edu

Two berkeley references.

Can’t stand Mehdi Hasan.

 

[Kangaroos techno]

Can’t stand Mehdi Hasan.

Never heard of her.

But if chadwiko is quoting her...well that's a sure fire way of knowing she's a zero.