Play Nice Random Chat Thread VII

[Scallop Industry Thug]

or you’re simply using the word and ideology in the incorrect context.
It’s ok to be misinformed. I hope our exchange over the last few pages makes a little more sense now.

If there’s anything to be learned from all you snake in the grass types, it’s that you don’t know things staring you right in the face.


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[Chadwiko]

I thought there was only one definition, specific to a political party in Italy. it’s not a buzz word for everything you don’t like.

Imagine pulling an "it's only champagne if it's from the champagne region in france; otherwise it's sparkling wine" about fascism.

 

[DesertRoo]

Imagine pulling an "it's only champagne if it's from the champagne region in france; otherwise it's sparkling wine" about fascism.

Yes are the basis of understanding. Definitions are best left to a creator's intent

 

[Chadwiko]

Yes are the basis of understanding. Definitions are best left to a creator's intent

By this definition, China isn't a communist country because Karl Marx isn't leading it.

 

[Chadwiko]

??
This is a pointless ad hominem argument.

You're literally arguing that fascism doesn't exist unless it's identical to the 1930s Italian variety.

You sure are the expert on pointless arguments.

 

[koshari]

By this definition, China isn't a communist country because Karl Marx isn't leading it.

china actually isn't a communist country atm contrey to its ruling bodies name, its pretty much being run as a corporate monopoly. Cuba would be the only country with anything even remotely resembling the communist manafesto model atm.

State capitalism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[DesertRoo]

You're literally arguing that fascism doesn't exist unless it's identical to the 1930s Italian variety.

You sure are the expert on pointless arguments.

??
I’ve pointed to the original texts after ww1. Written before the 30’s, You realise that was the inspiration behind all of the other movements.

Unless of course your pointing at another type of authoritarian rule beforehand?

 

[Chadwiko]

??
I’ve pointed to the original texts after ww1. Written before the 30’s, You realise that was the inspiration behind all of the other movements.

Unless of course your pointing at another type of authoritarian rule beforehand.

And your arguments are nonsense. Utter, uneducated nonsense.

 

[DesertRoo]

And your arguments are nonsense. Utter, uneducated nonsense.

Please enlighten me, including references?
Or stop throwing around the term fascism because it loses its meaning.

 

[Chadwiko]

Please enlighten me, including references?
Or stop throwing around the term fascism

I have a double degree, with Honors, in International Relations and Political Science.

So I'm going to help you out with some words from the Council on Foreign Relations;

fascism is a mass political movement that emphasizes extreme nationalism, militarism, and the supremacy of both the nation and the single, powerful leader over the individual citizen. This model of government stands in contrast to liberal democracies, which support individual rights, competitive elections, and political dissent.

 

[DesertRoo]

I have a double degree, with Honors, in International Relations and Political Science.

So I'm going to help you out with some words from the Council on Foreign Relations;

Where have I argued against that?
I’ve simply pointed to the origin which is based in socialism/statism that ideology running to the extreme right is fascism.

Imagine being so self entitled that you try to redefine something from the creators intent to win an internet argument.

 

[Chadwiko]

Where have I argued against that?
I’ve simply pointed to the origin which is based in socialism/statism that ideology running to the extreme right is fascism.

Imagine being so self entitled that you try to redefine something from the creators intent to win an internet argument.

What you just typed makes no sense.

It is literally useless debating against you. You have no idea what you're talking about, and yet you're convinced of your own intelligence.

 

[Chadwiko]

Just in case anyone was wondering;

The Biden campaign sending tweets to the Twitter 'trust and safety' team and asking for them to be reviewed is unequivocally not fascism.

In any way, shape, or form.

Just so we're clear.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Just in case anyone was wondering;

The Biden campaign sending tweets to the Twitter 'trust and safety' team and asking for them to be reviewed is unequivocally not fascism.

In any way, shape, or form.

Just so we're clear.

I’m so confused.

Fascism is alive and well over there. Yet he is barely able to muster a word about it.


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[Chadwiko]

I’m so confused.

Fascism is alive and well over there. Yet he is barely able to muster a word about it.

Yeah nah see it's the DEMOCRATS, who are trying to expand voting accessibility, and ensure that women can access abortions, and who just last week passed a marriage equality enshrinment bill... you see they're the real fascists.

Please ignore Donald █████ and the Republicans. They're not "relevant".

(am I doing this right?)

 

[koshari]

I’m so confused.

Fascism is alive and well over there. Yet he is barely able to muster a word about it.


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and in the banking industry as well,

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Yeah nah see it's the DEMOCRATS, who are trying to expand voting accessibility, and ensure that women can access abortions, and who just last week passed a marriage equality enshrinment bill... you see they're the real fascists.

Please ignore Donald █████ and the Republicans. They're not "relevant".

(am I doing this right?)

█████ literally said the constitution should or parts of it should be abolished and he be reinstated as leader. He had dinner with the leader of the ducking American neo nazi movement. There are packs of Christian nationalists and nazis running around intimidating with violence.

Like, what am I missing???


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[Val Keating]

█████ literally said the constitution should or parts of it should be abolished and he be reinstated as leader. He had dinner with the leader of the ducking American neo nazi movement. There are packs of Christian nationalists and nazis running around intimidating with violence.

Like, what am I missing???


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Ironically █████ might be the only chance of the Democrats winning the next election, if they find a decent replacement for Biden and Harris ain’t it. Best case scenario for the Dems is that █████ runs independent and takes votes away from the Republicans candidate. Biden is unfortunately losing his mind and Harris is a full on right winger with an atrocious record of human rights abuses when she was DA, deliberately withholding evidence to free innocent people from incarceration.

I wonder how this will play out? Keep doing the weekend at Bernie’s routine with Biden and then slide Harris in or bring in someone new.

It’s going to be an interesting watch.

 

[Chadwiko]

█████ running as an independent would require a serious Republican candidate to stand against him in the primaries.

There's a lot of pundits worried that the "main" candidates such as DeSantis, Haley, and Noem won't run against █████ because it runs the risk of them tanking their future support from the Republican base.

Will be interesting to see.

█████ is getting old and he very much is not a healthy man. Wouldn't shock me if he died before 2024 anyway, to be honest.

 

[big_e]

and in the banking industry as well,

Speaking of banks....

Anti-woke. Went broke.

Anti-Woke Banking Startup Cancels Itself

The “anti-woke” banking startup GloriFi is shutting down less than three months after its public launch

www.rollingstone.com

LESS THAN THREE months after its public debut, the “anti-woke” banking startup GloriFi is canceling itself.

The company has laid off employees and informed them the end is nigh, via an email from Chief Marketing Officer Cathy Landtrop obtained by the Wall Street Journal. Landroop cited “financial challenges related to startup mistakes, the failing economy, reputational attacks, and multiple negative stories,” as reasons for the downfall.

The Journal reports the company’s fate was sealed Friday when a funding arrangement fell through.

Pitching itself as a financial institution that allowed one to be “free to celebrate your love of God and country without fear of cancellation,” GloriFi’s marketing read more like a campaign ad than an enticing APR offer on a new credit card. Highlights from the “about us” page include: “OUR BILL OF RIGHTS IS NON-NEGOTIABLE” and “WE ARE ONE NATION UNDER GOD.”

In its short tenure GloriFi, managed to launch checking and savings accounts as well as credit cards, with plans to offer mortgages and insurance in a future that will no longer take place. Founder and CEO Toby Neugebauer pitched plans to offer gun owners discounts on home insurance, credit cards made of shell casing material, and assistance paying legal bills if customers shot someone in self-defense. Over the summer, GloriFi secured conservative commentator Candace Owens as a co-founder and spokesperson for the brand.

In October, the Wall Street Journal detailed the tumultuous beginning of the startup that led to its swift collapse. Neugebauer and business partner Nick Ayers, former chief of staff to Vice President Mike Pence, managed to secure an imposing roster of financial backers for their Texas-Based company. Enticing investors like conservative billionaire Peter Thiel, former Georgia Republican Sen. Kelly Loeffler, Vivek Ramaswamy, and Citadel founder Ken Griffin with promises of a market chalk full of “plumbers, electricians and police officers,” who “are fed up with big banks that don’t share their values.”

But GloriFi was unable to translate ideological grandstanding into functional corporate management. Even before its public launch, the startup was plagued by reports of chaos amongst staff and financiers. GloriFi missed its planned launch date several times, at one point due to clashes with Texas financial regulators. Reports emerged of unpaid invoices and erratic behavior from Neugebauer, who had converted his home Dallas mansion into the company’s main office.

According to the Journal, the company was eventually forced to hire a law firm to investigate workplace issues, particularly around Neugebauer. In one memo reviewed by the Journal, GloriFi’s former Head of Human Resources Britt Amos described several employees at Neugebaur’s mansion telling him to “make sure I leave around six,” and explaining that “after 5 p.m. Toby starts drinking and things at the house deteriorate quickly.” Amos also described a meeting where a visibly drunk Neugebauer was “drinking Red Bull and putting alcohol in it.”

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Speaking of banks....

Anti-woke. Went broke.

Anti-Woke Banking Startup Cancels Itself

The “anti-woke” banking startup GloriFi is shutting down less than three months after its public launch

www.rollingstone.com

LESS THAN THREE months after its public debut, the “anti-woke” banking startup GloriFi is canceling itself.

The company has laid off employees and informed them the end is nigh, via an email from Chief Marketing Officer Cathy Landtrop obtained by the Wall Street Journal. Landroop cited “financial challenges related to startup mistakes, the failing economy, reputational attacks, and multiple negative stories,” as reasons for the downfall.

The Journal reports the company’s fate was sealed Friday when a funding arrangement fell through.

Pitching itself as a financial institution that allowed one to be “free to celebrate your love of God and country without fear of cancellation,” GloriFi’s marketing read more like a campaign ad than an enticing APR offer on a new credit card. Highlights from the “about us” page include: “OUR BILL OF RIGHTS IS NON-NEGOTIABLE” and “WE ARE ONE NATION UNDER GOD.”

In its short tenure GloriFi, managed to launch checking and savings accounts as well as credit cards, with plans to offer mortgages and insurance in a future that will no longer take place. Founder and CEO Toby Neugebauer pitched plans to offer gun owners discounts on home insurance, credit cards made of shell casing material, and assistance paying legal bills if customers shot someone in self-defense. Over the summer, GloriFi secured conservative commentator Candace Owens as a co-founder and spokesperson for the brand.

In October, the Wall Street Journal detailed the tumultuous beginning of the startup that led to its swift collapse. Neugebauer and business partner Nick Ayers, former chief of staff to Vice President Mike Pence, managed to secure an imposing roster of financial backers for their Texas-Based company. Enticing investors like conservative billionaire Peter Thiel, former Georgia Republican Sen. Kelly Loeffler, Vivek Ramaswamy, and Citadel founder Ken Griffin with promises of a market chalk full of “plumbers, electricians and police officers,” who “are fed up with big banks that don’t share their values.”

But GloriFi was unable to translate ideological grandstanding into functional corporate management. Even before its public launch, the startup was plagued by reports of chaos amongst staff and financiers. GloriFi missed its planned launch date several times, at one point due to clashes with Texas financial regulators. Reports emerged of unpaid invoices and erratic behavior from Neugebauer, who had converted his home Dallas mansion into the company’s main office.

According to the Journal, the company was eventually forced to hire a law firm to investigate workplace issues, particularly around Neugebauer. In one memo reviewed by the Journal, GloriFi’s former Head of Human Resources Britt Amos described several employees at Neugebaur’s mansion telling him to “make sure I leave around six,” and explaining that “after 5 p.m. Toby starts drinking and things at the house deteriorate quickly.” Amos also described a meeting where a visibly drunk Neugebauer was “drinking Red Bull and putting alcohol in it.”

And mega-grifter Candace Owens was promoting that bank when it was starting up.

 

[ferball]

By this definition, China isn't a communist country because Karl Marx isn't leading it.

China isn't a communist country - there's no dictatorship of the proletariat, only of the elite and there is private property.

China is an authoritarian, capitalist state.

 

[see see]

Yeah but that sounds so much cooler and reveals my Marxist cred...

(I've never read Karl Marx btw. The other Marxes are way better.)

Its not all the upper middle class either. Just some of them and I guess I should have included all those Hyacinth Bucket types as well.

Richard?

 

[ferball]

You people need to read more.

Fascism specifically:

George Orwell: What is Fascism?

What is Fascism?, the column #8216;As I Please’ of George Orwell. First published: 1944 by/in Tribune, GB, London

orwell.ru

Language and politics more generally:

Politics and the English Language | The Orwell Foundation

"Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind."

www.orwellfoundation.com

 

[ferball]

Richard?

He's a bit of a dick.

His weird English brother is okay tho.