Play Nice Random Chat Thread VII

[Ligma]

What's the worst place you've visited overseas?

For me LA is the clear number 1

Qingdao

 

[Ligma]

I spent a fair bit of time in the Glasgow Sheriff's Court - which is the busiest court in Europe.

Fascinating places.

The lawyers were so nice to me, one was telling me which room had the best topics and then a young lawyer started talking to me she was so nice.

Both the lawyers, corrections officer and police prosecutors were all equally underprepared when the magistrate called upon more documentation. which I’m going to write my reform about.

But at the end I watched a bloody good case. A guy breached his family violence intervention order by sending a letter to the victim, he had a ****ed background of stalking and breaching the FVIO. My jaw was on the floor. The magistrate was firm and gave him 3 months imprisonment.

 

[big_e]

Is it bad that I’d like to see him and Biden debate and see who breaks first?

Seriously wtf is it with these old people hanging onto power?!

Partly they disappear up their own arse and don't think anyone else could do the job as well as them.

But also an entire industry forms around them. Staffers, party leaders, lobbyists, community groups all maintain their own power due to relationships. So it's in their interests to make sure the person in power stays in power.

 

[Themanbun]

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Both the lawyers, corrections officer and police prosecutors were all equally underprepared when the magistrate called upon more documentation. which I’m going to write my reform about.
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The biggest shock for me was how underprepared everything feels in a court case, particularly crim cases. It's not very slick like the tv shows hey. Lots of fumbling and mumbling and taking things on notice to get your shit together.

 

[Ligma]

The biggest shock for me as a student was how underprepared everything feels in a court case, particularly crim cases. It's not very slick like the tv shows hey. Lots of fumbling and mumbling and taking things on notice to get your s**t together.

LEGIT

Police prosecutor scrolling trying to get her summary and didn’t even know what the offender tested positive for lol

 

[ferball]

The biggest shock for me was how underprepared everything feels in a court case, particularly crim cases. It's not very slick like the tv shows hey. Lots of fumbling and mumbling and taking things on notice to get your s**t together.

My old man was a criminal lawyer and he won alot of cases off the back of cops npt having their shit together and just not doing their jobs properly.

He had a checklist of stuff they'd fail to do or not have prepared and he'd work thru it.

Fifty years ago tho. I think things are a bit different these days. (Not that different tho by the sounds of it.)

 

[bengrina]

Without opening up a can of worms, what is the general consensus on the yes/no vote? I've heard a number of indigenous people saying they will vote no.

 

[ferball]

Without opening up a can of worms, what is the general consensus on the yes/no vote? I've heard a number of indigenous people saying they will vote no.

A yes vote is an attempt to legitimise the Australian state. From the pov of an Australian its a good thing because it shows we are attempting to recognise the former peoples of this land and their legal systems, cculture, needs etc etc.

From the indigenous perspective its a form of surrendering sovereignty to the state when that has never formally happened before.

IMO its a response to Mabo 2, 30 years ago, IE

Whitefellas: Mabo showed the federal Government is illegitmate and the transmission of law was based on false premises, we need to do something about that to legitimise it.

Blackfellas: Well we never signed a treaty, we never ceded our sovereignty so this could be a de facto process of cessation.


This is a good article that covers it. not necessarily 100% on board with it but this guy is a law professor and i'm just some schlub living in the bush.

What we mean when we say ‘sovereignty was never ceded’

The Uluru Statement from the Heart will give us new meaning to the expression.

theconversation.com

 

[koshari]

Without opening up a can of worms, what is the general consensus on the yes/no vote? I've heard a number of indigenous people saying they will vote no.

i havnt even looked at how polling is going. iirc its a done deal in some states so realiasitally will only be 2 or 3 states that will make a difference anyway?

 

[koshari]

A yes vote is an attempt to legitimise the Australian state. From the pov of an Australian its a good thing because it shows we are attempting to recognise the former peoples of this land and their legal systems, cculture, needs etc etc.

From the indigenous perspective its a form of surrendering sovereignty to the state when that has never formally happened before.

IMO its a response to Mabo 2, 30 years ago, IE

Whitefellas: Mabo showed the federal Government is illegitmate and the transmission of law was based on false premises, we need to do something about that to legitimise it.

Blackfellas: Well we never signed a treaty, we never ceded our sovereignty so this could be a de facto process of cessation.


This is a good article that covers it. not necessarily 100% on board with it but this guy is a law professor and i'm just some schlub living in the bush.

What we mean when we say ‘sovereignty was never ceded’

The Uluru Statement from the Heart will give us new meaning to the expression.

theconversation.com

i would be surprised if there was a single colonised country in the world that actually "ceded" sovereignty?

 

[Forever North]

Just my 2 cents but there are far more important and relevant issues in Australia today than the Voice that the government should be focusing on. Cost of living especially energy costs(it’s out of control), lack of housing, immigration rates, skyrocketing rents, homelessness, mental health, education, health, government waste, corporate greed/grubbiness, crime rates, disenfranchised youth…. Probably a bit cynical to suggest that Albo is using ’The Voice‘ as some sort of short term diversion till something else comes up to distract the masses with.

 

[Val Keating]

Without opening up a can of worms, what is the general consensus on the yes/no vote? I've heard a number of indigenous people saying they will vote no.

I have spoken to many different people about what it means, on either side of the yes or no vote, the major thing I have learned is that most people don’t understand what it will do.

I’m a tradie and have a ridiculously large family, almost all of them just go off what they have heard from the one or two people they know that pay attention to this kind of thing and their opinion is based off that.

That in mind, I feel that the government has done a poor job of letting people know exactly what the outcome of the vote means.

 

[Val Keating]

Just my 2 cents but there are far more important and relevant issues in Australia today than the Voice that the government should be focusing on. Cost of living especially energy costs(it’s out of control), lack of housing, immigration rates, skyrocketing rents, homelessness, mental health, education, health, government waste, corporate greed/grubbiness, crime rates, disenfranchised youth…. Probably a bit cynical to suggest that Albo is using ’The Voice‘ as some sort of short term diversion till something else comes up to distract the masses with.

Agree there. A bit like how he grandstanded with a $200M grant to women’s sport after the Matilda’s popularity after the World Cup.

 

[Val Keating]

i would be surprised if there was a single colonised country in the world that actually "ceded" sovereignty?

Every country has been colonised to a degree considering all humans originated from Africa.

 

[ferball]

i would be surprised if there was a single colonised country in the world that actually "ceded" sovereignty?

Law can be transmitted top a new territory thru conquest, ceding by the people who hold the territory or if the land is terra nullius ie belonging to no one. (So there's no formal system of land tenure basically.)

The Australian Constitution was enacted on the basis of Australia being Terra Nullius. But its not true. There were systems of land tenure in Australia and none of the other methods (ie a conquest and formal surrender or a treaty or some other form of cesstion,) have happened. its legitimate to describe the Australian Federal Government as an occupying force.

Like the US for example. I think every first nation in the US that is still functional has some treaty or other. That's actually ceding sovereignty.

But the US has broken over 1000 treaties its signed iirc. Which is why people who place any faith in ANZUS are being "courageous" to quote that Yes Minister guy.

Other parts of the world, for example Fiji, still had forms of Native Title that were reinstated after British Rule ended.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Total sugars is same as last 2 batches, just changing the ratio of brown sugar to dex to dry it out a tad. Its also 1040sg aiming at a 4.2% finish.

I was suggesting you meant 650g and not 650kg of sugar.

 

[Del191229]

i would be surprised if there was a single colonised country in the world that actually "ceded" sovereignty?

Ireland formally ceded its claims to the Six Counties as part of the Good Friday Agreement.

They literally had a referendum on it and the people voted to cede sovereignty over that part of their country.

 

[koshari]

Ireland formally ceded its claims to the Six Counties as part of the Good Friday Agreement.

They literally had a referendum on it and the people voted to cede sovereignty over that part of their country.

that isnt anywhere near as cut and dry as you imply it is.

there is all sorts of underhanded stuff going/gone on in northern ireland, so much so the "gerrymander" practice was virtually invented there, not to mention the republic/loyalist division is basically a proxy war of catholics versus protestants.

 

[Ligma]

I feel like a noob saying this but like why do ppl speed on the freeway?

I’m still a learner driver and the freeways are mostly 80 going home and ppl always catch up to me.

 

[Mute Point]

I feel like a noob saying this but like why do ppl speed on the freeway?

I’m still a learner driver and the freeways are mostly 80 going home and ppl always catch up to me.

If the state government installed permanent speed cameras on the Tulla Fwy (same as the ones on the Geelong fwy) from Flemington to the airport where it's 80 but most ignore it, they'd clear the state debt in 3 years.

 

[Ligma]

If the state government installed permanent speed cameras on the Tulla Fwy (same as the ones on the Geelong fwy) from Flemington to the airport where it's 80 but most ignore it, they'd clear the state debt in 3 years.

Yeah legit. I got on the freeway from the docklands entry, it was dead but a whole group or cars just caught up to me.

It’s just so like intimidating, like I’d be doing the speed limit and someone would overtake me.

I reckon if I didn’t have my L plates up they wouldn’t do that

 

[koshari]

If the state government installed permanent speed cameras on the Tulla Fwy (same as the ones on the Geelong fwy) from Flemington to the airport where it's 80 but most ignore it, they'd clear the state debt in 3 years.

if they extended the rail to tulla no one would drive there

 

[Themanbun]

I feel like a noob saying this but like why do ppl speed on the freeway?

I’m still a learner driver and the freeways are mostly 80 going home and ppl always catch up to me.

Wait til the drongos start tailgating you even in the slow lane

 

[Chadwiko]

I feel like a noob saying this but like why do ppl speed on the freeway?

I’m still a learner driver and the freeways are mostly 80 going home and ppl always catch up to me.

If you're doing '80' and every other car on the road in an 80 zone is going faster than you, then it could be worth having your car checked out - your speedometer might be wrong.

 

[Ligma]

If you're doing '80' and every other car on the road in an 80 zone is going faster than you, then it could be worth having your car checked out - your speedometer might be wrong.

Nope