Play Nice Random Chat Thread VII

[Cyber_punk]

drop bears are more scary imo

Many of the bear types are bastards.

The fact they were out there a 8pm at night right before hibernation season is especially silly. Humans are a weird lot.

 

[Del191229]

Which one are you gokangas

Real talk - everyone should read Hans Fallada's diaries of 1920s and 30s Berlin.

He talks about laughing at these kind of people with their silly street demonstrations and wild ideas.

And then waking up one day to realise they had uniforms and guns and were in power.

 

[B4Bear]

And the above is the absolute crux of why they failed, instead of turning the debate into something positive, they when for you’ll be labelled a racist unless you vote for a change.
And we’ll decide what that change will look like afterwards ‘trust us bro’..

Failing to get it up isn’t on the population or the aboriginal people, it’s on the labor parties terrible messaging.
They literally blew almost 3/4 quarter support.

Except of course every conservative group came out in opposition before the question was even known, on the principle they say.

When that turd Littlrproud and Joyce attacked it and started lying from day one it was all over.

Dutton and Murdoch and Stokes and Costello just put the final nail in.

There was zero good faith from one side, and it sure as shit wasn’t the PM.

If these campaigners had been around before federation, nothing would have passed into the constitution as there were no laws until the first parliament sat.

The true information is there, from the AEC to multiple experts, people just wanted an excuse, conservatives gave them one.

Absolutely disgusting and disgraceful behaviour from the opposition.

 

[gokangas]

Which one are you gokangas

Real talk - everyone should read Hans Fallada's diaries of 1920s and 30s Berlin.

He talks about laughing at these kind of people with their silly street demonstrations and wild ideas.

And then waking up one day to realise they had uniforms and guns and were in power.

Discussing street protests the other day and realised at my ripe old age I have never been to one (other than the Save NMFC rally). Maybe its time for some civil disobedience from me.

 

[DesertRoo]

Except of course every conservative group came out in opposition before the question was even known, on the principle they say.

When that turd Littlrproud and Joyce attacked it and started lying from day one it was all over.

Dutton and Murdoch and Stokes and Costello just put the final nail in.

There was zero good faith from one side, and it sure as s**t wasn’t the PM.

If these campaigners had been around before federation, nothing would have passed into the constitution as there were no laws until the first parliament sat.

The true information is there, from the AEC to multiple experts, people just wanted an excuse, conservatives gave them one.

Absolutely disgusting and disgraceful behaviour from the opposition.

No arguments from me here, the whole episode has been disgraceful.

a treaty should’ve been signed decades ago, government has absolutely failed in this area and left it to the people to pick up the pieces.

 

[ferball]

No arguments from me here, the whole episode has been disgraceful.

a treaty should’ve been signed decades ago, government has absolutely failed in this area and left it to the people to pick up the pieces.

A treaty is complex but some sort of treaty process involving first nations, ie treaties with the states or the federal government on their behalf but in a way that the governement soigns a bunch or adds name to a generic one with the ability to write nation specific clauses should have happened after Mabo.

Straight away.

Instead the government used the Native Title Act to secure as much as it could in the way of mining and other basic land use rights (ie pastoral leases, water and fishing rights etc etc) rather than writing treaties to deal with their acquisition.

 

[DesertRoo]

A treaty is complex but some sort of treaty process involving first nations, ie treaties with the states or the federal government on their behalf but in a way that the governement soigns a bunch or adds name to a generic one with the ability to write nation specific clauses should have happened after Mabo.

Straight away.

Instead the government used the Native Title Act to secure as much as it could in the way of mining and other basic land use rights (ie pastoral leases, water and fishing rights etc etc) rather than writing treaties to deal with their acquisition.

This is why liberal/labor hasn’t done shit.

 

[Only Forwards]

A treaty is complex but some sort of treaty process involving first nations, ie treaties with the states or the federal government on their behalf but in a way that the governement soigns a bunch or adds name to a generic one with the ability to write nation specific clauses should have happened after Mabo.

Straight away.

Instead the government used the Native Title Act to secure as much as it could in the way of mining and other basic land use rights (ie pastoral leases, water and fishing rights etc etc) rather than writing treaties to deal with their acquisition.

Victoria is working on one isn’t it?

TREATY FOR VICTORIA | First Peoples' Assembly of Victoria

We are the First Peoples’ Assembly of Victoria – the democratic voice for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people on the journey to Treaty in Victoria. Walk with us.

www.firstpeoplesvic.org

 

[Tas]

No arguments from me here, the whole episode has been disgraceful.

a treaty should’ve been signed decades ago, government has absolutely failed in this area and left it to the people to pick up the pieces.

Dude, everyone voted to dump asylum seekers in a concentration camp on foreign soil so they wouldn't have any legal rights here in Australia, do you think people give a **** about anyone else?

The golden rule is he who has the gold makes the rules. Australia is 3/4+ middle class or higher, whilst we are more progressive in some areas than some western countries, our collective give-a-****-meter is limited by self-interest.

Treaties can be more meaningless bullshit, ultimately, the indigenous haven't been afforded the privilege of self-determination as a people or groups, they have always been bound by what is the commonwealth or Australian decision, ultimately speaking.

I think what we should do, as a starter, is create a Vatican-like region that is free of Australian/Commonwealth law/interference and it is something the indigenous can establish their own constitution, their own laws, their own form of government and how it is assembled and which rules qualifies people to vote in electing their representatives.

You would then have some democratically elected group you could begin to treat with.

At present how much of the countless mounds of money that has been spent on indigenous programs has actually gone out into the pockets of indigenous or into the communities to improve them and are we even doing things they want to do? There are a lot of words spoken but the action isn't as loud.

The line between what makes you indigenous and what doesn't is already starting to get murky, it would be far better to set the foundations before we wait several generations and half of Australia claim they are part indigenous.

 

[ferball]

This is why liberal/labor hasn’t done s**t.

It was a Labor government (albeit a neo-liberal one) that brought in the NTA and pretended they were good guys.

 

[Del191229]

I think what we should do, as a starter, is create a Vatican-like region that is free of Australian/Commonwealth law/interference and it is something the indigenous can establish their own constitution, their own laws, their own form of government and how it is assembled and which rules qualifies people to vote in electing their representatives.

Ah, the old let's build Israel in the Kimberley or South America line.

Say we did for some reason follow this literally insane idea - where would it be?

Its only going to be On Country for a one or at most a few nations.

 

[Tas]

Ah, the old let's build Israel in the Kimberley or South America line.

Say we did for some reason follow this literally insane idea - where would it be?

Its only going to be On Country for a one or at most a few nations.

It is more symbolic than it's location being critical, it would be a territory Australia has no legal right to, much like the land we allow for embassies, american spy bases, etc.

I think eventually, in many generations time, the vast majority of every Australian that hasn't migrated here recently will become part indigenous as it is becoming a lot more common for indigenous and non-indigenous to get together. However, how we get from where we are now to where we will be makes a difference to the people who are here now.

 

[Del191229]

So they stopped selling pseudoephedrine based meds that worked OTC (obvs you can still get but is hassle) because meth.

But meth availability has skyrocketed in that period because meth for consumption in Australia isn't cooked by bikies in sheds like 1992 anymore, it is imported by the tonne from Asia and South America (and now Afghanistan).

And even better, despite all the hand wringing about meth, in the same period we've decided to prescribe meth to a whole bunch of middle class people in their 30s who aren't happy about where their lives have ended up anbd pretend that ADHD is to blame for them not being astronauts or marine biologists

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[Chadwiko]

in the same period we've decided to prescribe meth to a whole bunch of middle class people in their 30s who aren't happy about where their lives have ended up anbd pretend that ADHD is to blame for them not being astronauts or marine biologists

Crap take. ADHD is real.

 

[Only Forwards]

It is more symbolic than it's location being critical, it would be a territory Australia has no legal right to, much like the land we allow for embassies, american spy bases, etc.

What point would what you're describing be to a Yorta Yorta person if it was established on Noongar land?


it is a reservation with more steps. to create a political body out of that would not be unanimous. While completely ignoring the culture of being tied to country.

 

[ferball]

What point would what you're describing be to a Yorta Yorta person if it was established on Noongar land?


it is a reservation with more steps. to create a political body out of that would not be unanimous. While completely ignoring the culture of being tied to country.

100%

 

[Del191229]

Crap take. ADHD is real.

Of course it is.

But a whole bunch of middle class people in their 30s and 40s are getting bullshit diagnoses and either quickly or slowly blowing up their lives with meth they get prescribed.

One guy I went to school with in the 90s and was very successful personally and professionally had a minor mid life crisis a few years ago, found some quack who would prescribe him gear and has subsequently blown up his previously very happy marriage.

Coz turns out taking meth every day when you don't need it turns you into a pssssyyyyyyyyyyyyyychhhhoooooooooooo.

For males, if you have ADHD that requires a hardcore intervention like daily medication, its manifested in childhood and had a huge impact on your life - like makes schooling nigh on impossible, contact with the justice system etc.

You don't get to 38 and go hey actually I thought I'd be more than a middle class office dude, there must be something to blame!

Then of course once you get the piss easy diagnosis of course you think you're doing great NOW ... coz der taking meth every morning does make you feel lots better.

Its the new Oxycontin, we're addicting a whole bunch of people to full on drugs when they absolutely don't need them.

 

[ferball]

Of course it is.

But a whole bunch of middle class people in their 30s and 40s are getting bullshit diagnoses and either quickly or slowly blowing up their lives with meth they get prescribed.

One guy I went to school with in the 90s and was very successful personally and professionally had a minor mid life crisis a few years ago, found some quack who would prescribe him gear and has subsequently blown up his previously very happy marriage.

Coz turns out taking meth every day when you don't need it turns you into a pssssyyyyyyyyyyyyyychhhhoooooooooooo.

For males, if you have ADHD that requires a hardcore intervention like daily medication, its manifested in childhood and had a huge impact on your life - like makes schooling nigh on impossible, contact with the justice system etc.

You don't get to 38 and go hey actually I thought I'd be more than a middle class office dude, there must be something to blame!

Then of course once you get the piss easy diagnosis of course you think you're doing great NOW ... coz der taking meth every morning does make you feel lots better.

Its the new Oxycontin, we're addicting a whole bunch of people to full on drugs when they absolutely don't need them.

If you haven't been a junkie or some other heavy drug user all your life (that includes pot and booze i guess) then you don't have serious ADHD. Altho there are plenty of people who get into middle age without being diagnosed and have successful lives on the surface. Many drink or smoke to excess tho. Most of them are ****ed up.

Now that nicotine is being demonised as a drug (and fair enough I spose) people with ADHD have less options to self medicate.



There's also an epidemic of meth use among young people because they don't get diagnosed and treated young enough imo.

 

[koshari]

had to go to bairnsdale today to pick up an excavator ripper, weather was lovely but sheesh they needed the rain they just got, had a counterey in the mitchel river tav, fresh lakes entrance whiting for me and dory for the missus, yummee, you forget how nice fresh fish is.

 

[Themanbun]

Of course it is.

But a whole bunch of middle class people in their 30s and 40s are getting bullshit diagnoses and either quickly or slowly blowing up their lives with meth they get prescribed.

One guy I went to school with in the 90s and was very successful personally and professionally had a minor mid life crisis a few years ago, found some quack who would prescribe him gear and has subsequently blown up his previously very happy marriage.

Coz turns out taking meth every day when you don't need it turns you into a pssssyyyyyyyyyyyyyychhhhoooooooooooo.

For males, if you have ADHD that requires a hardcore intervention like daily medication, its manifested in childhood and had a huge impact on your life - like makes schooling nigh on impossible, contact with the justice system etc.

You don't get to 38 and go hey actually I thought I'd be more than a middle class office dude, there must be something to blame!

Then of course once you get the piss easy diagnosis of course you think you're doing great NOW ... coz der taking meth every morning does make you feel lots better.

Its the new Oxycontin, we're addicting a whole bunch of people to full on drugs when they absolutely don't need them.

My reading of it is that when those mid 30s people were young the medical focus was on the physically hyperactive part of ADHD. If you didn't display manifestly hyperactive or troublesome behaviour in your youth then you probably did go through life without raising suspicion. Since then understanding has evolved a bit and now assessments are more thorough.

Yep, there are some people clinging for a diagnosis and they may be misdiagnosed by a quack. They may have something else going on but got misdiagnosed as well. But there are plenty of people now being properly diagnosed.

 

[Themanbun]

Also I won't discount there being an environmental factor (e.g. how we consume more fast, on tap media than ever before) actually creating adult ADHDers.

 

[Ligma]

If you haven't been a junkie or some other heavy drug user all your life (that includes pot and booze i guess) then you don't have serious ADHD. Altho there are plenty of people who get into middle age without being diagnosed and have successful lives on the surface. Many drink or smoke to excess tho. Most of them are ****ed up.

Now that nicotine is being demonised as a drug (and fair enough I spose) people with ADHD have less options to self medicate.



There's also an epidemic of meth use among young people because they don't get diagnosed and treated young enough imo.

I would say this is somewhat true but it highlights the socioeconomic levels within our society today.

The higher SES level - the more access to medical services to getting properly diagnosed, having medication, therapy if needed

In comparison to the lower SES levels - the less likely someone will seek out due to not having the resources to get help therefore having to turn to drugs.

I am also talking about the average person, I wrote a paper about conflict theory and illicit drug use for an assignment. So I look at it from that angle but also acknowledge cocaine is the most used among higher SES.

I just abuse caffeine

 

[Ligma]

Marx’s conflict theory has really resonated with me especially in this economic climate.

It’s like finally I can back up why the crime rate is increasing due to increased cost of living.

I also love seeing people putting these up in supermarkets

 

[Disco Dew]

Interesting topic going on here and I must say it’s refreshing to see something other than American politics.

Anyway, I’m pretty keen to get my hands on some prescription meth… booking in to a psych now!

 

[Flawed Genius]

While we're here Chadwiko any of your secondary want to cover DJ Moore or