Play Nice Random Chat Thread VII

[krakouers]

Yeah, the folks who couldn't stomach a fairly harmless advisory body are gonna just love a treaty....

Add Roger Cook and his feck up to the list of reasons why this failed as well:

How this banal concrete driveway became emblematic of WA's unique debate on the Voice

Despite having little to do with the Voice, the blowing up of ancient rock shelters and a bungled attempt to preserve Aboriginal heritage are the issues shaping the referendum debate in WA.

www.abc.net.au

 

[krakouers]

Greek place near me is doing them for $32 bucks.

Sadly its also one of the best snack packs I've ever tried, so i'm always tempted to pay it.

Am I so out of touch that a snack pack should not exceed $15?

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Am I so out of touch that a snack pack should not exceed $15?

I remember back when they first became popular and you could get a massive one for $10-12

 

[krakouers]

I remember back when they first became popular and you could get a massive one for $10-12

Kebab for $10 and a snack pack for $15

May make that my platform for my run in politics…

 

[archereleven]

I voted yes, my wife voted no.

I live in cairns and the people handing out the "no" cards were indigenous. I asked why - she said they didn't want to be considered different. Or a victim.

I am just taking it that mainstream Australia values egalitarianism more than anything and the majority thought that this change would threaten that. I don't agree, I think the Voice was just a way to bring First Nations groups together so they can have a coherent message, but so be it.

I live in Cairns, too, and not a single blackfulla I know was going to vote, yes. Egalitarianism is half the reason, distrust in government the other.

There is minimal racism in Australia imo. Both whitefullas and blackfullas call out shit campaigners equally and will continue to do so.

It's time for the government to get to work and start listening to what they have, not what they could have. Reconciliation starts with results, not hopes, and 'trust me, bro' politics have proven unsuccessful.

If anything, this referendum has opened the eyes of the Australian people, and hopefully, they will hold the government to task on indigenous issues moving forward.

Race politics is a total flipping shit show and I'm glad it's over.

Fwiw, this referendum could have built 200 schools in remote communities or 600-800 remote houses. What a waste.

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[Grogg]

Man, how cooked is Australia?

Totally ****ed.

 

[Groucho]

Well something to come out of the referendum at least is we can now quantify how many racists there are in Australia. I’d long suspected it but can now be stated it’s a disturbingly unhealthy majority

 

[Grogg]

Well something to come out of the referendum at least is we can now quantify how many racists there are in Australia. I’d long suspected it but can now be stated it’s a disturbingly unhealthy majority

The sad part for me is that there is a large portion of the population who were duped into thinking that aligning with far right extremists was more palatable than trying something new and permanent.

That's the reality ☹

 

[My Left Foote]

Well something to come out of the referendum at least is we can now quantify how many racists there are in Australia. I’d long suspected it but can now be stated it’s a disturbingly unhealthy majority

It’s always been there just bubbling under surface, we’re nowhere near as obvious as the States, but then something like this happens and it’s there for all too see.

 

[Grogg]

 

[Chadwiko]

There is minimal racism in Australia imo.

 

[Tas]

I voted yes, my wife voted no.

I live in cairns and the people handing out the "no" cards were indigenous. I asked why - she said they didn't want to be considered different. Or a victim.

I am just taking it that mainstream Australia values egalitarianism more than anything and the majority thought that this change would threaten that. I don't agree, I think the Voice was just a way to bring First Nations groups together so they can have a coherent message, but so be it.

I think the biggest problem is that thinking that there can be one body that expresses the thoughts and ideas of an entire group of people. This referendum highlighted the folly of that concept regardless how well it was intentioned. We have numerous political bodies and groups. What the government SHOULD be doing is saying they are going to listen to them when they consider policy because they should be doing that regardless if you are compelled to do so or not.

This government still hasn't listened to first nation groups about problems they want addressed, can start by actually listening to them and start implementing reforms to the communities that need it. The concept of the government engaging with the first nation people was very popular throughout the country and it should be the positive they take out of the embarrassing way this was sold to the public. How do you expect to sell it to non-first nation people when you can't even to first nation people.

 

[travelli]

I think the biggest problem is that thinking that there can be one body that expresses the thoughts and ideas of an entire group of people. This referendum highlighted the folly of that concept regardless how well it was intentioned. We have numerous political bodies and groups. What the government SHOULD be doing is saying they are going to listen to them when they consider policy because they should be doing that regardless if you are compelled to do so or not.

This government still hasn't listened to first nation groups about problems they want addressed, can start by actually listening to them and start implementing reforms to the communities that need it. The concept of the government engaging with the first nation people was very popular throughout the country and it should be the positive they take out of the embarrassing way this was sold to the public. How do you expect to sell it to non-first nation people when you can't even to first nation people.

The whole thing was that the Voice was in the constitution. That way we must listen.

If we legislate the representative body, the government will cut the funding if we don't like what we hear.

That's what I am uneasy about. Australia does not want to be forced to listen.

 

[andana]

Well something to come out of the referendum at least is we can now quantify how many racists there are in Australia. I’d long suspected it but can now be stated it’s a disturbingly unhealthy majority

I could have told you years ago.
Go to Australia with a Thai wife

 

[marklovesbeer]

I think the biggest problem is that thinking that there can be one body that expresses the thoughts and ideas of an entire group of people. This referendum highlighted the folly of that concept regardless how well it was intentioned. We have numerous political bodies and groups. What the government SHOULD be doing is saying they are going to listen to them when they consider policy because they should be doing that regardless if you are compelled to do so or not.

This government still hasn't listened to first nation groups about problems they want addressed, can start by actually listening to them and start implementing reforms to the communities that need it. The concept of the government engaging with the first nation people was very popular throughout the country and it should be the positive they take out of the embarrassing way this was sold to the public. How do you expect to sell it to non-first nation people when you can't even to first nation people.

What a surprise.

 

[toepoker]

We couldn’t even find find it in ourselves to vote yes for a committee. How wonderfully generous we are.
A profoundly disappointing day

 

[archereleven]

I grew up in Geraldton and Gippsland, spent 6 years in 2 dozen remote communities throughout North Western WA and have lived 12 years in Broome, Darwin and Cairns.

Sure, racism exists, but it's not nearly as prevalent in real life as it is on digital media...

Maybe I should move to the inner city to experience the severe racism that has obviously played out in front of your eyes?



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[Tas]

The whole thing was that the Voice was in the constitution. That way we must listen.

This was from a couple of days ago:

"The proposed changes to the constitution are as follows:
Chapter IX Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples 129 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice
In recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples as First Peoples of Australia:
1. There shall be a body, to be called Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice.
2. The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice may make representations to Parliament and the executive government on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples.
3. The Parliament shall, subject to this constitution, have power to make laws with respect to the composition, functions, powers and procedures of the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice."

I was all for the change, but i didn't think it would have much impact on a functionality level. I just don't see any party in power being forced to list to anything or do anything. That was why in part some sections of the first nation community didn't want the voice, it was going to be a dickless change and would have hamstrung by the scope of that changes.

The only people that will listen under the voice was going to be people who were and SHOULD want to listen anyway.

If we legislate the representative body, the government will cut the funding if we don't like what we hear.

That's what I am uneasy about. Australia does not want to be forced to listen.

Yeah, legislation can easily be changed if a party has majority in both houses. It is why people wanted details about what exactly would be the part that was in the constitution, that a government can't change, the rest they can if they are given scope to.

It was hubris to push this into a referendum without bipartisan support. It was just setup to fail and I am not sure why they would do that given the kind of support it had to begin with when it was just an idea.

 

[Val Keating]

It’s pretty telling that the majority of Australians couldn’t even vote in a pretty inconsequential place for an indigenous representation in parliament.

My only objection to it was that purely an attempt by Labour to appear to be doing something but in reality it was only token gesture…though I still voted yes because at least it was some small progress.

There’s a mixed reaction from my aboriginal friends and family. Some feel embarrassed, some don’t seem to care because they expected it, some are angry.

 

[Chadwiko]

Have a lie down Chaddy.

 

[DuckYeah]

I think the biggest problem is that thinking that there can be one body that expresses the thoughts and ideas of an entire group of people. This referendum highlighted the folly of that concept regardless how well it was intentioned. We have numerous political bodies and groups. What the government SHOULD be doing is saying they are going to listen to them when they consider policy because they should be doing that regardless if you are compelled to do so or not.

This government still hasn't listened to first nation groups about problems they want addressed, can start by actually listening to them and start implementing reforms to the communities that need it. The concept of the government engaging with the first nation people was very popular throughout the country and it should be the positive they take out of the embarrassing way this was sold to the public. How do you expect to sell it to non-first nation people when you can't even to first nation people.

Its based from a decade long compilation of Indigenous opinions, thoughts and solutions from Indigenous leaders across the country come up with the Uluru statement from the heart. The Voice is what was proposed.

If that was not enough then nothing will be. Shut it down, more status quo, more of the same doesn’t do anything.

To be honest Yes or No, doesn’t impact me, never would have. It may have been a great vessel in delivering better methods in closing the gap.

Its done now.

 

[DuckYeah]

I grew up in Geraldton and Gippsland, spent 6 years in 2 dozen remote communities throughout North Western WA and have lived 12 years in Broome, Darwin and Cairns.

Sure, racism exists, but it's not nearly as prevalent in real life as it is on digital media...

Maybe I should move to the inner city to experience the severe racism that has obviously played out in front of your eyes?



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Gippsland is one of the most racist places ive ever lived in. An 20/80 vote when I last checked suggests that.

You share interesting anecdotes and your opinion has weight. The facts are facts. What was in place, doesn’t work. People like Tony Abbott as Indigenous affairs minister and other white people, or even jacinta price or warren mundine, is not a viable solution either. A panel of Indigenous leaders was and still is a much better approach to Indigenous affairs.

Anyway.

 

[Ligma]

Gippsland is one of the most racist places ive ever lived in. An 20/80 vote when I last checked suggests that.

You share interesting anecdotes and your opinion has weight. The facts are facts. What was in place, doesn’t work. People like Tony Abbott as Indigenous affairs minister and other white people, or even jacinta price or warren mundine, is not a viable solution either. A panel of Indigenous leaders was and still is a much better approach to Indigenous affairs.

Anyway.

Based

 

[Masked Avenger]

The sad part for me is that there is a large portion of the population who were duped into thinking that aligning with far right extremists was more palatable than trying something new and permanent.

That's the reality ☹

Imo people in Australia simply don't care deeply enough about indigenous issues. It's been like that forever and it's played out in this referendum result. A missed opportunity.

 

[koshari]

Imo people in Australia simply don't care deeply enough about indigenous issues. It's been like that forever and it's played out in this referendum result. A missed opportunity.

But really why should they. Most have their own stuff to worry about.